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New Zhu vids, help me against marth pls~!

Repryx

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You seemed to do good...Just stop bein flashy if you are gonna edge guard stay on the edge or hover...stop wavelanding back on the edge as it takes up too much time....
(Light sheild edgeguard works too)
 

vericz

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You know how to play marth, as for edgeguards just chill and use the easiest method, Marth guard. If they keep getting away you can always jump out of the light shield into whatever you want
 

Repryx

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You know how to play marth, as for edgeguards just chill and use the easiest method, Marth guard. If they keep getting away you can always jump out of the light shield into whatever you want
lolz @ "Marth guard"
 

Mogwai

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I want to expect better of you, but I know not to
You had the match and then blew it. If you nair instead of fair on that last combo, you win. If you properly lightshield edgehogged, you win. Honestly, I don't know what you're looking for here because the mistakes are very obvious and devastating, when you clearly outplayed him the rest of the match.
 

Eggm

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Don't get off the edge early vs marth, firestall and dominate it then when he up + b's stand on (hit forward) Walk past him and down smash when you are in front of him. You did clearly out play him the entire set tho. Your falco is ridiculously technical and sexy, I love it keep it up dude. xD Thats really the only things I saw, Oh also. You seemed to shoot like 2-3 lasers and come in afterwards which you got punished for wayyy too often.
Make marth approach you play really gay, his CG's and edge guard gimps are gay so don't feel bad, Laser until they approach you then punish you jumped the gun way too many times and got punished for it I"d leave matches and times for it, maybe i'll do it tomorrow but its late, those were your only big flag errors at all your combos were thorough and really great, your pressure and tech chasing was terrific, just don't be so hasty to come in, roll jump around and run away until you are back in a position where you can laser and make him come to you at all times, then you will see the opening and the beast tech skill will come out on its own, but don't worry about using it until it happens naturally, just play really gay until it unleashes itself, I made this realization actually the same day as these tournamnet vids were I placed 7th a huge EC tournament c3, beating quite a few good players. Realizing to play gay and not worry about my tech skill.. really helped it sounds simple but its hard to do for a techincal player lol, but again REALLY NICE FALCO i love your vids haha, hold it down w/ the lasering bird, since shiz/forward don't really play anymore and PC uses fox mostly, there aren't many of us falcos left representing so keep it up. xD
 

NES n00b

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It does not seem that fighting Marths is the real problem. Sure, I would suggest playing against a Marth more defensively but your offensive game is so good and smart that it would probably hurt you more to try to be more defensive. You could also work on edgeguarding a little, but that is not that big of a deal either. Just don't mess up your light shield edgeguarding or infinite stall like you did until he is about to upb and then just roll to dsmash/fsmash or whatever(I would suggest just using the the ledgehop stall instead of the firebird but it really doesn't matter if you time it). =p

The real problem it seems to me is that if you make a big mistake or loose momentum, you cannot regain momentum and never come back. Your moves become less percise and you start to make small (dumb) mistakes. You become more predictable as you try desperately to take away his life. In addition, your spacing becomes a little off. I know it is hard to come back after your opponent takes control and your moral is a little shot, but you have to focus.
 

TheZhuKeeper

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thanks alot guys. one thing i did forget was the light shield guard. for some reason i kept tilting it downwards which 1. left my foot open and 2. made me fast fall and not grab the edge and (die). i also realized yes against marth, i will start making the marth come to me. god ****it i'll laser camp more LOL. honestly i try to approach as soon as possible because i dislike blatantly camping but... i guess i'll make marth (and bowser / samus) my exceptions xD

yea marths take advantage of the fact that i always approach in the same manner. they pop out with an nair or an fair that i could easily counter just by... lasering in place LOL.

also eggm, i'm gonna try to wow some ppl with falco for the last time at SCC. root for me sir!

<3 the falco boards. you guys rock.
 

Repryx

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No Zhu....you Rock dood....you Rock....(BTW IM Teaching myyself phantom stalling muwahahahaha)
 

Stryk9

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i just spam the **** outa lasers and take away marths crucial forward momentum. without the forward marth can't recover nearyl as well, other than that id say firestall and then either bair or jump up and dsmash.
 

TheZhuKeeper

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/flame :p

Why ask for advice when you already know.
if i knew how to face marth better i would've won seeing as how it was pretty close.

thanks alot for the help guys, i'll remember to slow down a bit against marth use teh light shield trick. i'll also be more careful near the edge to avoid getting gimped >_>

wish me luck at SCC~
 
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