New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

That's the best way to handle a fifth special move.I'm just not trying to raise my hopes for a six slots situation, even thought I clearly support it. Out of seven Pokemons (four in Melee and three planned for Brawl), 3/7 were cut. That alone is enough to make me doubt it and I'm worried enough about Pokemon not even getting five.

That's totally understable, dude. But aside for Plusle and Minun (we don't know why they were cut), the cut Pokemon all had legit reasoning for their cutting. It's not like they were cut just to be cut or "make room", whatever.

Interesting indeed, 6 slots? People are being way to optimistic about this.

Why?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Because like SSBFan said, Im simply not going to raise my hopes up for it and try to expect that many only to be shattered by Sakurai with 5 slots in the end, however I do see it happening in the form of having 2 trainers, I will just not expect it for any reason whatsoever, it's better to set yourself up for dissapointment that to get all joyful about everything than to get let down at tbe end , my wad being The Black Knight, Chrome was revealed so.....

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

10 Pokemon would be insane IMO, even if they are in the form of trainers and such.

I guess oversaturation to one franchise isn't good since other franchises obviously don't seem to get any at all.

And yet Brawl has 8 Mario Universe characters. Then again, some of those characters have their own series', while the Pokemon are limited to their own lone series.

 

[OmegaXXII]

And yet Brawl has 8 Mario Universe characters. Then again, some of those characters have their own series', while the Pokemon are limited to their own lone series.

And that's the problem that sets Pokemon apart from Mario, Mario can be divided up into sub-series while Pokemon stay the same, to be honest I'd rather see Metroid, Fire Emblem or F-Zero gain more reps instead, tbey are some of the lesser ones that would be in need of some representation.

 

[BKupa666]

A + B for a Special attack seems conceptually flawed, depending on the control scheme. It could result in finger-slippage, and the attacks would prove troublesome to direct with the control stick.

Shield + B is the better option, I feel. It gives focus to shields and gives every character a useful defensive attack (some of whom definitely need one).

 

[Metal Overlord]

Because like SSBFan said, Im simply not going to raise my hopes up for it and try to expect that many only to be shattered by Sakurai with 5 slots in the end, however I do see it happening in the form of having 2 trainers, I will just not expect it for any reason whatsoever, it's better to set yourself up for dissapointment that to get all joyful about everything than to get let down at tbe end , my wad being The Black Knight, Chrome was revealed so.....

I respect that and if that's the way y'all want to roll then that's cool; I totally understand the reasoning behind it. But that's not just me. I don't like being all pessimistic and conservative. I like getting my hopes up, it helps me look forward to the game more. I like the anticipation of whether one of my favorite characters will make it into Smash 4 or not, the suspense of the whole wait until the DOJO. Like with Brawl, the journey may very well be greater than the destination. Disappointment is only natural in life, no point in trying to avoid it...

I fully expect 6 Poke slots and Mewtwo to make his triumphant return for Smash 4. Come at me broskis.

 

[Phostopheles]

A + B for a Special attack seems conceptually flawed, depending on the control scheme. It could result in finger-slippage, and the attacks would prove troublesome to direct with the control stick.

Shield + B is the better option, I feel. It gives focus to shields and gives every character a useful defensive attack (some of whom definitely need one).

Why not both?

Also, if you end up using your A + B move due to slippage, you have no business playing PvP. Stick to training mode, n00b.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I see your point I guess, wait....

Mewtwo, yeah I'm expecting, I wish he got his own stage like from his movie lol..

 

[BKupa666]

Why not both?

Also, if you end up using your A + B move due to slippage, you have no business playing PvP. Stick to training mode, n00b.

Because six Specials is unnecessary overkill, and would lead to even more cloned or boring attacks. Sakurai has difficulty even coming up with four good Specials, it seems...

I am perfectly capable of performing A + B, but do you think Sakurai's beloved target audience is? Shield + B is both a more focused input (the move would naturally be defensive, rather than a wild card A + B input, which Down Special covers just fine) and an easy way to teach newcomers to shield in the first place. Because we all know defense is a foreign concept to the vast majority of them.

 

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A + B for a Special attack seems conceptually flawed, depending on the control scheme. It could result in finger-slippage, and the attacks would prove troublesome to direct with the control stick.

Shield + B is the better option, I feel. It gives focus to shields and gives every character a useful defensive attack (some of whom definitely need one).

I like this also as I does give another use in terms of defense.

U-Spe: recovery
S-Spe: dash
D-Spe: other
N-Spe: projectile
Shield-Spe: defense

It makes sense to me. Having a Attack-Special would work as well, but I do agree it could result in finger-slippage.

Something of which I would perfer not to happen as this is Smash not a Capcom Fighter.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'd say 5 specials is good enough.

 

[Deleted member]

In other news, this is why people dislike Krystal.

I'm neutral on her inclusions, but furries are just, ugh.

I'm also okay with a Shield + B.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Why do people want to expand so much on specials? I believe the setup would complicate some stuff, I'd say just leave it as is, it's been done like that in 3 games already, unless it's an add-on of sorts.

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

What about a special dash attack? B + dash

 

[Metal Overlord]

---, sorry for replying to you so late, I got carried away. But anyways, Mega Man having a weapon switch as a special move sounds cool, and Caeda, that girl from FE? I've heard of her before, she would be awesome, too.

 

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What about a special dash attack? B + dash

I think that may not work due to already having a Foward Special.

 

[OmegaXXII]

In other news, this is why people dislike Krystal.

I'm neutral on her inclusions, but furries are just, ugh.

I'm also okay with a Shield + B.

Because people give out a bad impression of Krystal which I do not believe should make up or even consider her chances just because she is a female furrie which I find disturbing if one will base her choices solely on that.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Megaman's weapon switcher would be pretty cool, I've actually always suggested that, as for Caeda well....Her chances are looking very slim compared to Ike and Chrome.

 

[Deleted member]

Because people give out a bad impression of Krystal which I do not believe should make up or even consider her chances just because she is a female furrie which I find disturbing if one will base her choices solely on that.

I think the fact that there are many who dislike her reduces her chances by quite a bit. Krystal being known as a furry doesn't hurt her chances, but the opposition she gains from it does.

 

[Oasis_S]

So where exactly did Sakurai say "picking Pokemon is difficult?" (Which I'm not sure why that would even mean six characters are likely...?) Are you sure you're not just twisting his words from when he was comparing Pokemon to third-party characters IN THAT it was a wonder making them fit? He has also said something about the Pokemon Company being very strict with their property.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think the fact that there are many who dislike her reduces her chances by quite a bit. Krystal being known as a furry doesn't hurt her chances, but the opposition she gains from it does.

There is also the matter of how Miyamoto has stated in Iwata Asks that if Star Fox 64 3D bombs, it will be the last game in the series. In Japan, SF643D has become the poorest selling game in the series there.

 

[Phostopheles]

Because six Specials is unnecessary overkill, and would lead to even more cloned or boring attacks. Sakurai has difficulty even coming up with four good Specials, it seems...

I am perfectly capable of performing A + B, but do you think Sakurai's beloved target audience is? Shield + B is both a more focused input (the move would naturally be defensive, rather than a wild card A + B input, which Down Special covers just fine) and an easy way to teach newcomers to shield in the first place. Because we all know defense is a foreign concept to the vast majority of them.

Sorry, I hoped the would indicate that I wasn't targeting you directly.

Also, I think most of those players would end up just not using a shield special, specifically because it requires being defensive. Add to this that Zelda, Ness, Lucas, Lucario, Ike, and Marth already have defensive moves and really don't need another.

You want to focus on defense, I want to focus on mobility. Neither move has to be unique to each character, but I think adding both could add a substantial amount of depth to the game.

 

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Megaman's weapon switcher would be pretty cool, I've actually always suggested that, as for Caeda well....Her chances are looking very slim compared to Ike and Chrome.

Well I still have some hope for her.

The development and announcement of FE10 came around the time Brawl was being developed but we didn't get Micaiah or even FE10 Ike.

Throw in the fact being a lance user and a female character, plus being a popular FE character overall still makes me think she still has a chance. She also is now even more relevant around the world due to FE11 and the FE anime. All of which Chrome can't say he has yet.

Though overall at this point, I see her only getting in due to what she could offer in terms of gameplay even without my weapon switch idea.

Too bad I can't say the same about BK.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I think the fact that there are many who dislike her reduces her chances by quite a bit. Krystal being known as a furry doesn't hurt her chances, but the opposition she gains from it does.

It's just furrie haters that's all, I really wouldn't even be worried about her, heck I wouldn't be surprised if she got in this time around due to Sakurai liking furries as well, I believe that is yet another reason why they shoot down Krystal.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Every FE lord's chances are slim compared to Ike and Chrome.

I'd love for Krystal to make it in, but she should make it in alongside characters like Ridley, King K. Rool and Samurai Goroh. A character shouldn't be sacrificed for her to make in, as she does not have as much priority as the ones I mentioned, even though I'm on the side that believes that the whole "4 reps for SF is too much" argument is an overblown detriment to Krystal's chances...

So where exactly did Sakurai say "picking Pokemon is difficult?" (Which I'm not sure why that would even mean six characters are likely...?)

I don't think he actually meant that, but another slot might be required to represent the franchise better (not in terms of the generations, but in the classes of Pokemon).

 

[OmegaXXII]

Krystal would be awesome indeed, there is no denying her uniqueness and popularity.

 

[Deleted member]

There is also the matter of how Miyamoto has stated in Iwata Asks that if Star Fox 64 3D bombs, it will be the last game in the series. In Japan, SF643D has become the poorest selling game in the series there.

Are there any sales data for how well it's done in Japan?

If the game sells at least a million worldwide and ends up not selling poorly in Japan overall, I think we'll see a new installment. The game seems to be selling well in the UK as well and I'm sure Nintendo will look at other regions for sales.

It's just furrie haters that's all, I really wouldn't even be worried about her, heck I wouldn't be surprised if she got in this time around due to Sakurai liking furries as well, I believe that is yet another reason why they shoot down Krystal.

Where did Sakurai say or hint he liked furries?

 

[Phostopheles]

Also, I would call this A+B a "boost."

Use the boost to get through.

 

[OmegaXXII]

It's in his Twitter account.

 

[BKupa666]

Sorry, I hoped the would indicate that I wasn't targeting you directly.

Also, I think most of those players would end up just not using a shield special, specifically because it requires being defensive. Add to this that Zelda, Ness, Lucas, Lucario, Ike, and Marth already have defensive moves and really don't need another.

You want to focus on defense, I want to focus on mobility. Neither move has to be unique to each character, but I think adding both could add a substantial amount of depth to the game.

I think we're both assuming Sakurai decides moves based on their purpose, and that every move has an actual use in matches. You know, not just because they look pretty, or take a year and a half to land on anything resembling a competent foe.

 

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It's in his Twitter account.

O.K. my opinion of Sakurai has changed now as it also explains why we have 3 SF charactes already. XP

 

[OmegaXXII]

The development and announcement of FE10 came around the time Brawl was being developed but we didn't get Micaiah or even FE10 Ike.

I wish this we're true, it would give us hope, yet I don't think likely of it.

 

[Phostopheles]

I think we're both assuming Sakurai decides moves based on their purpose, and that every move has an actual use in matches. You know, not just because they look pretty, or take a year and a half to land on anything resembling a competent foe.

HA! You're right. We should both stop being so delusional. The new move every character will get will be a Final No Really We Mean Final This Time Smash, which can only be executed when the opponent is over 150% with one life left. By waggling the Wii-pad.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yeah, The Wii-U is definetly going to provide more options and flexibility like the built in camera and the shoulder buttons.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I don't even consider Star Fox the type of series that would sell well in Japan. It doesn't seem like the type of series that would appeal to Japanese gamers; it has that "Americanized" feel to it (it's difficult for me to explain this but oh well). Add in the fact that it is a remake of a game almost 15 years old and IMO, it's not even surprising that it isn't selling well, IMO.

It should do well elsewhere, though.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hmm..I wonder what the stance for Krystal being wanted in Japan is??

 

[Big-Cat]

There is also the matter of how Miyamoto has stated in Iwata Asks that if Star Fox 64 3D bombs, it will be the last game in the series. In Japan, SF643D has become the poorest selling game in the series there.

From my understanding, Starfox always had more popularity OUTSIDE of Japan in the same sense that Metroid does. If that's the case, I wouldn't use Japanese sales as an indicator.

 

[BKupa666]

O.K. my opinion of Sakurai has changed now as it also explains why we have 3 SF charactes already. XP

Do you mind posting his explanations? I can't help but feel left out when you bring up something I've been dying to know for years.

I'm guessing it had to do with him loving Star Fox 64 or something...AKA, the only reason the series has a fanbase at all.

 

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Do you mind posting his explanations? I can't help but feel left out when you bring up something I've been dying to know for months.

I know we have a bunch of links to various Sakurai interviews over the years back in the SSB4 backroom.

But for this explanation, Omega said it was from a Twitter post so ask her.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm..I wonder what the stance for Krystal being wanted in Japan is??

Barely requested at all. Only a few mentions here and there.

One thing that I've recognized is that Star Fox tends to do much better in America then in Japan. Star Fox and Star Fox 64 sold in the millions in American but in other regions, they have yet to break.

I think they'll look oversea to better judge whenever or not to continue the series.