New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Aurane]

So...remember when we were talking about how items in Uprising seem to show likenesses to certain Smash characters/Potential Newcomers? Well, I was watching a video of Uprising, and I saw this...

Bland in appearance... Releases a large metal ball...


Muddy Mole?

Really? LOL

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That is actually the most powerful weapon I have in my game right now.

The black club or something...right?

 

[Starphoenix]

Hey!

Now that I have your attention, I want to propose an idea and get some general reaction. I do not think there is anybody that wishes for a roster split between both the 3DS and Wii U installments, while it would make good business sense it is not exactly fun for consumers. None the less there has to be some unique content that will entice consumers to want to buy both products, so how about this?

[DISCLAIMER: The opinions within this post are for engaging in public discourse and do not necessarily reflect what is likely.]

What if?

What if we had third party exclusive characters for each console? Before everyone starts busting out their "O RLY" owl captions on me just let me explain my thought. Well, before I even go there, this idea hangs upon the presupposition that the third party characters from Super Smash Bros. Brawl will return, and that we will see about one-two more in the next games. Third party characters are something both enticing (depending upon whom you ask) and separate from the "normal" rules. Why not use this to the best advantage possible? After all, games do this all the time. If anyone needs an example, look no further than Pokémon. For over almost two decades this has been the formula that has kept Pokémon lucrative, enticing children to "catch them all" by purchasing both versions, I know I certainly did!

Someone out there might be thinking "well, why not just split the roster between both versions for all that?" Here is a simple way of explaining it. When an action is potentially more of a crap move than something Capcom would even do, it's not a smart move. It is one thing to offer exclusives, it is entirely another to intentionally split your roster for profit, especially for a fighting game (yes, fighting game).

"Why not just have Nintendo exclusive characters then?" Well, you could, but I think more people would be willing to buy another version if Megaman was available versus Toad. Wouldn't you? Just being honest here.

"How do you see this working?" Assuming we get a nice even amount of four third party characters we could have each game split with one "veteran" guest character and one new guest character.

3DS: Solid Snake and Megaman
Wii U: Sonic the Hedgehog and Slime (don't whine, ok?)

Want to know the best part? Once you connect the 3DS version with the Wii U game after unlocking our two guests, they become playable on the console version! *cue Legend of Zelda item jingle* It is not as crazy as you think, after all, Street Fighter X Tekken is doing this exact thing only with more outrage. That has more to do with Capcom's crappy handling of post-game content.


I think you all get the gist of it by now. If I wanted to I could probably make this much longer, but I personally have a problem putting more effort into a forum post than my own collegiate writings. Plus, most people just tl;dr anyways... >_> Let me know what you all think. Would you throw a fit? Horrible idea? Good idea? Just complain that I didn't list ___ character? Whatever it may be just let me know and I will try to respond.

 

[yani]

As long as I can eventually have all characters on the console I'm fine with it since I'll be getting both regardless.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I am hoping that for Group Mode, there can be some changes with the team battles.

For starters, instead of using colors, numbers would be used. This would enable players to choose the colors they want to use, and the numbers would signal which players are on which team. There would be up to four team numbers, which means that you can do complete free-for-alls whenever you want to.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm all for that, but there should be other Exclusive characters too.

Mii can stick on the 3DS for customization for example, and... eh, who knows for the Wii U? Maybe one of the Pokemon? Like Mewtwo.

 

[Oasis_S]

I wonder if Star is under the presumption that the 3DS version must have something to "help" it sell better than the Wii U version.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I hate to make posts like this but...

As long as I can eventually have all characters on the console I'm fine with it since I'll be getting both regardless.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This. Exactly this

 

[Jakor]

52 people have downloaded my SSB Roster Maker so far... in 5 days. Not too bad I think.

I wonder if Star is under the presumption that the 3DS version must have something to "help" it sell better than the Wii U version.

You said there was a ".dll" missing when starting the Maker, what is the name of that dll?

 

[Starphoenix]

I wonder if Star is under the presumption that the 3DS version must have something to "help" it sell better than the Wii U version.

Selling better is not the issue. The question is what can Nintendo offer that will make consumers want to purchase both? Hence my post.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So guys... I just cleared Uprising.

Damn. It. This game.

My hopes for SSB4 has gone way uprising.

Almost positive Adventure Mode will be complete opposite to abdomination that was SSE.

 

[---]

Yay! I beat Horsetail.


It's funny, I had the idea of version exclusives with unlocking by connecting when I did my first roster all the way back in July. It was pretty well received if I remember correctly. :3

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Doh you Triple Hyper, that's because I was being so busy with school stuff. Had to save free time for Spring Break.
(-'^'-);

 

[Oasis_S]

You said there was a ".dll" missing when starting the Maker, what is the name of that dll?

MSVCR71.dll. That was probably something on my end though, lol.

Selling better is not the issue. The question is what can Nintendo offer that will make consumers want to purchase both? Hence my post.

Well good, because people have said that and they're dumb and don't understand anything.

I don't think there should be an incentive to buy both. Only a bonus. The connectivity would be just that. You shouldn't need both versions, but if you do buy both, then you can carry your experiences over between the two versions (Or maybe it's just one-sided, but whatever). Also your Pokemon example also doesn't work well since there isn't an incentive for kids to buy BOTH versions. The idea is that you trade with your friends. Only lonely nerds buy both, gosh.

I DUNNO. I don't think much of your idea.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'm now starting to wonder if Medusa might get a role as a boss for Adventure Mode. I know that I mentioned Nightmare, but there's always that monkey wrench that can pop up.

It would probably be more amusing if Medusa is the one who can easily turn fighters back into trophies though.

 

[---]

Doh you Triple Hyper, that's because I was being so busy with school stuff. Had to save free time for Spring Break.
(-'^'-);

My Spring Break was back in Feburary, so don't give me that excuse.

Only lonely nerds buy both, gosh.

My secret shame...

 

[Oasis_S]

Homosexuals buy all three versions.


Also, Star, did you say you don't think the roster will be finalized by the end of the year? Because if so I want to call you out on that.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So, Triple Hyper? Mine started just now... (-ìΔí-)

I'd buy both versions. Never hurts to see what they can bring.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If the Adventure Mode in Smash 4 indeed turns out to be the opposite of Smash 4, I will love Sakurai forever

 

[Starphoenix]

Well good, because people have said that and they're dumb and don't understand anything.

I don't think there should be an incentive to buy both. Only a bonus. The connectivity would be just that. You shouldn't need both versions, but if you do buy both, then you can carry your experiences over between the two versions (Or maybe it's just one-sided, but whatever). Also your Pokemon example also doesn't work well since there isn't an incentive for kids to buy BOTH versions. The idea is that you trade with your friends. Only lonely nerds buy both, gosh.

I DUNNO. I don't think much of your idea.

Bonus, incentive; regardless of the semantics there is going to be something in place that is going to want to get people to connect their 3DS to a Wii U. There has to be a difference between the two, otherwise why not just purchase the Wii U game and be done with it? You see regardless Nintendo has to make money, and per what businesses do they try to maximize the amount of profit they can. Given the recent economic downturn (not to mention the global economy in and of it's own) of the video game market it is not enough to settle on the second best option. I really cannot see as "carrying your experience over" as enough to try and make a consumer feel like there is a reason to need both.

Also, Star, did you say you don't think the roster will be finalized by the end of the year? Because if so I want to call you out on that.

I've said about Spring-ish of next year if Sakurai works the same way he did with Brawl.

 

[Jakor]

MSVCR71.dll. That was probably something on my end though, lol.

Well, someone else reported that problem to me.

Anyway, I know for sure that I'll be getting the Wii U version of Smash 4, but I'll only buy the one on 3DS if it different enough to warranty the purchase.

 

[Oasis_S]

Smash 3DS will be curtailed for an experience you would expect for a handheld. The two versions are bound to be very different.

I suppose the real problem would be "How will they take a multiplayer-oriented series and make it worth buying when you'll be getting a single-player oriented experience?"


Also if Sakurai started working on it this year, and he has like, at least 10 whole months of development time before next year, the roster is going to be finalized this year. I mean, that's such a basic decision. The game is built around the characters. It's going to be one of the first things done.

...Unless you're taking third-party characters into account?

 

[Arcadenik]

You're looking WAY into this.

People said the same thing about me when I looked into some of the Uprising weapons.

Muddy Mole would be epic, though.

 

[Lukingordex]

Muddy Mole for SSB4?

 

[Hoots]

Smash 3DS will be curtailed for an experience you would expect for a handheld. The two versions are bound to be very different.

I suppose the real problem would be "How will they take a multiplayer-oriented series and make it worth buying when you'll be getting a single-player oriented experience?"


Also if Sakurai started working on it this year, and he has like, at least 10 whole months of development time before next year, the roster is going to be finalized this year. I mean, that's such a basic decision. The game is built around the characters. It's going to be one of the first things done.

...Unless you're taking third-party characters into account?

As long as the 3DS version doesn't have any exclusive characters, I don't care how stripped it is. Who the **** wants to play Smash on a handheld device, anyways?

 

[Oasis_S]

Who the **** wants to play Smash on a handheld device, anyways?

It's me. >:

 

[Metal Overlord]

Bonus, incentive; regardless of the semantics there is going to be something in place that is going to want to get people to connect their 3DS to a Wii U. There has to be a difference between the two, otherwise why not just purchase the Wii U game and be done with it?

Well, as cool as the idea as, I doubt Ninty's gonna make out interconnectivity for Smash to be something like Pokemon where you HAVE to get both. It could just turn out to be a cool optional feature for the people who DO happen to get both versions.

And we're talking about the upcoming installments of a game in a series where every single installment has sold at least 5 million copies. At this point, Nintendo doesn't really need to try so hard to push one feature of the game; it's not like that one feature alone is going to be the major selling point of the games. The games practically sell themselves

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah the only exclusive content should be trophies, stickers, and maybe stages (that you can "send" to the other). That is okay by me. But exclusive characters on one or the other, barring limitations on the 3DS' memory=??? HECK NO! WE WON'T GO!!!

Liz and Krom would be awesome as a team, it would be a mixture of Ike and Marth, but with certain spells of sorts, making one very unique character as the only Fire Emblem representative with long-range spells or, really, any spells at all.

I think it could work.

It would be broken. Any team where the two characters have different moves and are both controllable gives them too many offensive and defensive options. Plus, it is about 5 times harder to program than just one character. The reason the Ice Climbers work (despite being very strong) is because they're the same and totally reliant on each other.

I'm probably going to die for this but.....
Why do everyone think a new F-Zero rep in SSB4 is a shoe-in when we don't have have any F-Zero game since the Game boy Advance, weren't their best shot in melee or brawl, why is that likely now ?

Nobody here is calling a F-Zero character a shoe-in, although a lot of us want Black Shadow (I'm not too big on him) or Samurai Goroh (I love him). At best some of us think that a F-Zero character is "very likely," and at worst has "next to no shot."

Am I the only one who liked the Brawl air dodge system a little better than the Melee one? Mainly because I didn't like how in Melee it would put you in helpless mode

I think they should combine both versions (allowing you to change to any direction), but allow you to air dodge multiple times. However, I think you shouldn't be allowed to air dodge a 2nd time for about an entire second.

The problem with Brawl's system is that it is spamable, and makes the game too stall-ish, campy, and gives weaker characters (in the air) too few of offensive options. This 1 second of vulnerability (although you have DI) keeps the defensive play on the air dodging person honest. It combines the bests of both air dodges for the best potential air dodge.

 

[Wizzrobe]

It's me. >:

me too! I would love a handheld smash

 

[Johnknight1]

I would love a handheld smash (on the 3DS). A handheld smash on the Game Boy Advance or Game Boy Color would have sucked, though! XD

Have anyone noticed that the character order in All Star Mode is by gaming era? They started with Mr. Game and Watch (Game and Watch era) and ended with Olimar (The Gamecube Era) It goes by this order: Game and Watch, Arcade, NES, Sega Genesis, Super NES,Game Boy, and Gamecube. If Sakurai decides to keep this order for the sequel's All Star Mode, there would be new eras like N64 (Saki), Gameboy Advance (Isaac) and Wii (Mii/Shulk).

What do you guys think?

That's exactly how the All-Star Mode in Brawl works!

 

[Hoots]

Haters gonna hate!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I sure as hell want a Handheld Smash. Been wanting it for ages.

@Hoots: Hard to hate one of the only Rosters I can agree with. Although could use more 3rd Gen.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Haters gonna hate!

Lovers gonna love

 

[Metal Overlord]

No Mewtwo? I am disappoint already

You put in Samurai Goroh AND Black Shadow doe. Hell yeah

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I'm so wanting a handheld Smash too. If it had same internet features as Mario Kart 7 + KI Uprising. (-lwl-)

 

[Johnknight1]

Geno instantly turned me on (even if his chances are next to nil).
Ghirahim instantly turned me off (even if his chances are next to nil).
No Mewtwo, having Krystal, having Shulk (I like him, but not his chances), and Professor Layton also turned me off.

Overall the roster needs more Dixie Kong, more Mewtwo, a purely retro character, and have Medusa (lol common enemy) replaced by Paletuna or somebody else.

CPUs cheat. In FFAs they generally try to target you mostly, and not the other CPUs. In Melee this wasn't so.

It happens in Melee, but not as often. In Smash 64 it never happens. In fact, I think the CPUs go after other CPUs the most in Smash 64!

 

[Arcadenik]

As long as the 3DS version doesn't have any exclusive characters, I don't care how stripped it is. Who the **** wants to play Smash on a handheld device, anyways?

Well, a lot of people has been asking for a Smash DS for years... so now we are getting one for the 3DS.

I just hope that Smash 3DS doesn't require me to use the touch screen to fight. I am getting the hang of the right-handed controls in Uprising but I don't want to go through that again with Smash 3DS. Just gimme the traditional controls I have been getting for the last three games.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah I doubt the touch screen will be used outside of the menu systems and single-player. It just doesn't look like it "fits" with Smash Bros.

There's not much to expand on Classic mode.

I think that more break the targets, more "adventurous" levels (such as more "Race to the Finish"-esk levels; I want one with enemies like in Smash 64), etc. could be improvements. Also, maybe some more Classic Mode bosses, and an option for what your Classic Mode path is.

I do like that in Melee they made a random Classic Mode (with a random first match, random "Vs. Giant *insert character name here*," and random team battles), but I like the structure of the Smash 64 Classic Mode. Being able to make your path is the best of both worlds if you ask me.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Hoots, I can deal with that roster if only for the fact that it's one of the few I've seen with Starfy on it.

Just Mewtwo and I'm sold.

 

[Lukingordex]

Haters gonna hate!

Needs moar mother.
But not bad anyway