New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I pretty much lost my support for Gardevoir after Brawl.

 

[Shorts]

I think this might be the last hurrah by the Sheeda fans. The Female Fire Emblem Character Bandwagon has dumped Sheeda over at GameFAQs and has embraced Anna as their new favorite female flavor of the month. The funny thing is that in Japan the most wanted female Fire Emblem character still is Micaiah.

Micaiah, Caeda, Liz, Lyn, and pretty much ALL female choices were repeatedly voted for... weirdo. The person must not know much about FE, considering they kept voting for Elliwood and Sigurd as well. They also kept voting for EVE.... who is a Mother ROBOT, not female. So I think they were just being a douche and making the female vote go up. Silly *******s.

What made me suspect double voting was I saw Daisy had like 80 votes... and zoroark had only gained six? So I was like.... "Awhhhh ****"

Anyways, Star if you can think of a community to throw my poll at, please do so. These double votes got me excited fer nuffin. >:

Marry any of your allies?

How progressive, Nintendo.

Krom x Marth, brought to you by... Nintendo ;D

GARDEVIOR IS POPULAR IN GENERAL, NOT JUST BY FURRY/POKEPORN LOVERS.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That seems like a stupid mechanic considering it's suppose to be a tactical war game.

You don't marry your teammates. That leads to bad decision making in combat situations

 

[Starphoenix]

Anyways, Star if you can think of a community to throw my poll at, please do so. These double votes got me excited fer nuffin. >:

I really cannot think of any major site that has not been hit already. If you are daring you can always try /b/. lol

 

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I think this might be the last hurrah by the Sheeda fans. The Female Fire Emblem Character Bandwagon has dumped Sheeda over at GameFAQs and has embraced Anna as their new favorite female flavor of the month. The funny thing is that in Japan the most wanted female Fire Emblem character still is Micaiah.

I still support Sheeda. :3

Hot off the presses, here is some new FE: Awakening info. Look's like they continue to borrow elements from other FE games.

Makes me think of Harvest Moon.

This is turning into the best FE game in the series. My Unit marriage is a surprise though.

 

[vicgur]

I was thinking that maybe Master Ball from Pokemon games could be an item in Smash 4. It would be different from the regular Poke Ball in that Master Ball only releases legendary Pokemon (eg. Mew, Lugia, Deoxys, etc.) while the Poke Ball only releases non-legendary Pokemon (eg. Electrode, Goldeen, Snorlax, etc.) This way we could get more unplayable Pokemon in Smash especially now that we have five generations worth of Pokemon to choose from.

I think I posted the same idea in this thread scome months ago, minus the idea of the Pokeball only having non-legendaries. I don't think I have to say that I love it.

I still want to get Return to Dreamland
Only reason I haven't yet is because I prefer handheld titles to console

If you like the handheld Kirby games, you'll certainly love Return to Dreamland.

 

[Metal Overlord]

The Black Knight, Lyn and Roy

^^^^^ Get to it, Sakurai

 

[vicgur]

Marriage system in Fire Emblem?

That's kinda weird. I don't know if I love it or hate it. I think I'll have to wait until I play it to have a true opinion about it.

My curiosity about whether there are gay marriages in the game or not disturbs me.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Yeah, I really like Gardevoir, and not for the dirty reasons. I would walk around on Route 102 for hours until I found a female Ralts with Synchronize.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

Hey guys, I posted a Bowser Jr. moveset on the last page and I was hoping somebody would rate or critique it. Thanks!

 

[Oasis_S]

YOUR BOWSER JR. MOVESET WAS BALLS BECAUSE SHADOW MARIO WAS ON IT.

Also I'm disappointed that Nintendo wouldn't allow lesbian marriages. I want an army of Heathers. Forcing me to play as Krom and hitting on dudes. Awful.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yeah, I really like Gardevoir, and not for the dirty reasons. I would walk around on Route 102 for hours until I found a female Ralts with Synchronize.

Same here, though in Diamond, I did breed for a Ralts with those traits.

Anyway, I pretty much lost my touch with Gardevoir after the Brawl hype. It is rather sad, but also understandable as well.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Metal can this be an alt costume?

More people should get behind Burger Knight for Sm4sh.

(That is what I spent this site's downtime doing.)

The marriage system has the potential to be extremely interesting. If the game drops in the states I'll definitely pick it up and try it out.

VVV I couldn't find the picture anywhere else sooooo yeah. It wasn't hard.

 

[Oasis_S]

Did you really go back and find the first time I posted that...?!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Hey guys, I posted a Bowser Jr. moveset on the last page and I was hoping somebody would rate or critique it. Thanks!

You can always post a link to the post that has your moveset input. That will make it easier for those who don't want to browse through a lot of pages.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

YOUR BOWSER JR. MOVESET WAS BALLS BECAUSE SHADOW MARIO WAS ON IT.

What is wrong with Shadow Mario?

@Mario and Sonic Guy: I would understand if it was 5+ pages back, but it's only back one page...

 

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THE BURGER KNIGHT HAS RETURNED! all caps

 

[Metal Overlord]

Burger Knight? lol

And I liked ya Junior/Shadow Mario moveset, Metal (then again, I'm a clone lover, so I'm biased)

 

[Shorts]

What's WRONG with him? Nothing. It's interesting. I say, if you knock Shadow Mario, might as well knock on the whole paint moveset to begin with. Both showed up once ;D

Anyways, I do think it's RATHER MUCH, and Junior stands WELL OUT, on his own. I think IN TERMS OF PLAYABLE CHARACTER, he even stands out more than Toad. But that's just because I don't see this fighter many do in Toad. Not that he's a bad character... just not IDEAL, imo.

 

[Oasis_S]

What's WRONG with him? Nothing. It's interesting. I say, if you knock Shadow Mario, might as well knock on the whole paint moveset to begin with. Both showed up once ;D

BECAUSE RELEVANCY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR WHEN IT COMES TO MOVESETScaps.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

How about because characters that take the same form as existing characters are smelly? I'm not even saying clones, I'm saying that I draw the line for a character being "Adjective Character Name" at one alternate Link. That idea works because the character spans several generations art styles.

Mario, however, is Mario. It's one of the reasons I constantly spew hate for Dr. Mario. Shadow Mario is different, but not by much. He's literally a different character, but by all other means than who he is, he's just another form of Mario.

And I don't care what anyone says, even if characters are clones (not saying Shadow Mario would be a clone for certain) they absolutely do take up development time. The whole "Herp derp clones don't take any time to make" thing is BS. The only aspect of them that don't take just as much time as original characters is moveset concept creation. EVERYTHING else about clones has to be made from scrap (and, in the case of heavily Luigified clones, even parts of the movesets are original). The reason they were so easy to include in Melee is because little to no effort was put into Luigifying them. Brawl only introduced two new clones, and Lucas is almost entirely different from Ness, and Wolf is physically completely different from Fox and Falco. Brawl took time on its clones (the way it should be) both new and old.

That's why having resources put into Shadow Mario would be smelly to me, because those resources could be put into other things.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Breadbug, I would probably feel the exact same way as you do if I weren't such a goddamned nostalgiatard

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Except both Bowser Jr and Shadow Mario are legitimate and great choices.

There is no such thing as "better time spent" when it comes to any character whatsoever. If you're spending it on making a character, it's time well-spent.

 

[Johnknight1]

None of them really strike my fancy as much as Lucario or Mewtwo have, they're all pretty boring and generic if you ask me. Especially if you compare them and how they were marketed to past generations.

Yeah, I don't think Genesect, Victini, or Zoroark are all that appealing compared to Lucario to most Smash/Pokémon fans, including yours truly. Lucario was hands down the #1 most popular 4th Generation Pokémon and Pokémon not playable in Smash well before Brawl had its' official reveal.

I'm strangely hoping Paper Mario makes it into the next Smash, I think it'd be interesting for G&W to have a 2D brethren.

Welcome to the club.

Okay, so... I've been thinking... Most of us here think version-exclusive characters would be a bad idea, but what about version-exclusive stages? Like the transferable content thing? It would probably add a variety to the stages. What do you all think?

I've thrown this out dozens of times, but no one goes for it. I like the idea (as long as it is transferable), and it could also make Nintendo $$$ by convincing people to buy each game. I'm glad someone else at least thinks of the idea.

I do the same thing. It's how I found how I'm good with. But unlike you, maybe, I only tried him. My hatred for that toon ******* makes me not play as him.

Toon Link is the only reason I haven't sold Brawl back to Game Stop. I haven't sold a game to anything since the 90's. That's my opinion on Brawl, and how much replay value I get out of that game! If these forthcoming smash bros games are as crappy as Brawl competitively and Toon Link is gone, I might not buy them. I'm dead serious.

I only get cranky like Shortie when the thread has been on the same discussion for a while or is full of dumb (well more dumb than usual).

Basically you mean when I'm not here to change the topic into ALL RIDLEY ALL THE TIME!!!

 

[Metal Overlord]

I don't care if people don't like Doc, I recognize that he's not needed at all and that there are much better choices at him even though I mained him in Melee. BUT... please don't come up with some ****ty copout solution for bringing Dr. Mario back such as making him an alt costume of Mario. It pierces my soul

 

[Johnknight1]

Dr. Mario as an extremely last minute add on or as a unique character is a good idea. Other than that, no. Maybe a Lucas-esk clone or better would be okay, although honestly (and I hope Golden isn't listening) Waluigi would probably be a better way to go (since all he has ever been is a crappy clone).

And to be quite honest, Mario should keep all his current moves (including FLUDD, which needs to do damage) but adapt more of Dr. Mario's power style mixed with a all-around solid combo machine Smash 64 Mario. Because Mario's Brawl style just sucks.

Ganondorf: Most wanted character for Melee after Melee was announced. Only got in when Sakurai thought Melee's roster was too small and went with the six clone plan.

Sonic: Most wanted character for Brawl after Brawl was announced. Was one of the last two characters added to the game.

I don't think there any characters out there that are as notable as Ganondorf or Sonic that people want for Smash Bros., so I don't think we will see this again for Smash 4.

Melee's most wanted character was Bowser if I remember correctly, although Ganondorf probably was the most desired character for Melee after revealing Bowser and Peach.

That's funny considering there are actually no newcomers outside of Mewtwo and Roy that I am interested in seeing that debuted after 1995.

Exactly. You are our glimpse into the past!

Spoiler

Plus blunt honesty = humor.

 

[Bowserlick]

I don't like the idea of Bowser Jr. as a playable character.

A bowser that can turn into a mario... nah.

If Bowser Jr. did get in, I would expect more Galaxy references than Sunshine. Such as mechanical weapons. But I just don't think he will turn up in Smash as selectable.

The Mario franchise has only three choices that all seem a little on the iffy side:

1. Toad: I think Sakurai sees him more as a defining quality of Peach rather than as playable material. However, he was a playable character in Super Mario Brothers 2 and has a wealth of appearances.

2. Geno: I think Sakurai might have considered him. Snake was slated to be in Melee, but time is needed for legal shenanigans in order for guest third-party characters to appear. Maybe Geno was in talks for Brawl, and had to take a rain-check.

3. Paper Mario: Might be considered a different franchise. Moveset could incorporate Mushroom kingdom creatures such as goombas and koopa troopers int he form of helpers (Goombella, Koops). But Paper Mario and Geno both fight for an rpg Mario slot, so if one of these off-chance guys get in, I would expect the other to sit out.

 

[Shorts]

Except both Bowser Jr and Shadow Mario are legitimate and great choices.

There is no such thing as "better time spent" when it comes to any character whatsoever. If you're spending it on making a character, it's time well-spent.

Queen Bee is also a legitimate Choice. Hey, let's have Peach tag team with Toadsworth this time around.

I'm going to tell you right now, it's Toad, Junior, or Doc. Paper Mario is not in the running. I promise.

2. Geno: I think Sakurai might have considered him. Snake was slated to be in Melee, but time is needed for legal shenanigans in order for guest third-party characters to appear. Maybe Geno was in talks for Brawl, and had to take a rain-check.

Bowserlick. Watch what you say. This is a Shortscrazytheoryrant trigger word.

Geno.... I have nothing against him, but I just can't take him seriously as a contender for Smash

cough...sakuraididcoughcough

 

[Metal Overlord]

^^^^^ Wait, what? How so? Like I said, I don't mind being proven wrong as I have nothing against him



Geno.... I have nothing against him, but I just can't take him seriously as a contender for Smash

 

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai mentioned Geno three times on Sakurai's reading of the Brawl polls. Other characters mentioned 3 times include Krystal, Toon Link, and Takamaru.

As for Bowser Jr., Shadow Mario hasn't reappeared since Super Mario Sunshine as an alternate form of Bowser Jr., unless those Shadow Mario clones in Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are also Bowser Jr. Let's keep Shadow Mario away from Bowser Jr. That's what made people opposed to Bowser Jr. to begin with!

 

[Shorts]

Let me write this up in a word doc, so I never have to rewrite this crazy idea again.

Ill get back to you Metal, in a few.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

Geno.... I have nothing against him, but I just can't take him seriously as a contender for Smash

You're not alone. Gihirahim (spelling?) is also in the same boat, along with toad.

 

[Johnknight1]

At one point, I was thinking about a transformation Final Smash for Ridley. Does Omega Ridley sound familiar to anyone?

Meta Ridley is a better idea...

And I don't care what anyone says, even if characters are clones (not saying Shadow Mario would be a clone for certain) they absolutely do take up development time. The whole "Herp derp clones don't take any time to make" thing is BS. The only aspect of them that don't take just as much time as original characters is moveset concept creation. EVERYTHING else about clones has to be made from scrap (and, in the case of heavily Luigified clones, even parts of the movesets are original). The reason they were so easy to include in Melee is because little to no effort was put into Luigifying them. Brawl only introduced two new clones, and Lucas is almost entirely different from Ness, and Wolf is physically completely different from Fox and Falco. Brawl took time on its clones (the way it should be) both new and old.

Wow, slow down cowboy. Let's sort through this.

1. Clones take less time, period. You don't have to design new frame movement for borrowed attacks, and nearly all the time clones have the same movement frames as the characters they are based. In fact, maybe only half a dozen characters have all original attack and movement frames.

2. There was an effort in Melee to balance them. That's about all the effort that was put into them, along with a few new moves, which thus requires new frames and more balancing. There was also, of course, time put into their alternate colors. That doesn't take that much time at all, which is why we should have a color palette and alternate outfits.

3. Balancing clones is easier than balancing new characters. Most of the statistics from clones or relatively the same as the characters they are cloned off.

Luigi is basically just a lighter, faster, and slightly less powerful and higher jumping Mario (along with a plethora of new attacks). Dr. Mario is the same as Mario, but more power. Falco is a more floaty Fox with moves that's only changes are they effect the foe different. Wolf is basically the same. Pichu is a much lighter and weaker Pikachu that is slightly faster. Roy is the same as Marth, but he is worse at everything that matters. Lucas has nearly all the same stats as Ness, although mostly different attacks.

While Toon/Young Link and Ganondorf are much different from Link and Captain Falcon, they are an exception, not a rule.

4. Balancing is where most of the time spent on characters is spent by Masahiro Sakurai. As previously mentioned, balanced clones, while not super easy, is a lot easier than balancing completely fresh characters. Of course, it gets harder to do the more original they are.

5. Another thing you have to add: voice actors. Judging by Brawl's crap voice actors, they were probably paid $500 total.

6. Transferring characters from game to game takes little or no time at all. The problem with Brawl was that everything was mostly taken from scratch, whereas a lot of the frames and data for Melee was taken from Smash 64 and heavily modified. If you ask me, the latter is smarter, as it is about 10 times quicker and more efficient according to my knowledge about business expenses and time management.

7. In Brawl Sakurai said 75% of the time was spent on the Subspace Emissary. I'm not saying 100% of the time should be spent on the multiplayer, but IMO most of the staff should be solely dedicated to the multiplayer or the overall design. The single-player should be done by a single-player specific staff if you ask me.

 

[Shorts]

Okay so THIS is what started my crackpot theory, this quote:

When deciding on which characters to include, Sakurai laid out certain criteria a character had to meet for inclusion. Firstly, and most importantly, a character had to individually stand out. "There had to be something that only that character could do," Sakurai said. He knew that characters couldn't be included at random, since including any old Nintendo character would throw off the overall game balance. Sakurai also mentioned that even among Nintendo characters, there were some they couldn't consider due to intellectual property rights issues. In addition, characters within a series needed to have proper balance and representation.

So I went, what Nintendo character is material to be a playable character, who has been consistantly requested, AND DID NOT SHOW UP AT ALL, in Brawl?

Some said, Krystal, because she was "owned by Rare" (Not true), but SHE DID show up in Brawl, a few times, actually. Some said F-Zero obscure characters, but why would they be playable?

I said, GENO. We all know he has licensing issues, we saw his little Square Enix shoutout at the end of M&L: Parnters in Time.

You may say: "But SAKURAI SAID"

IGN: Have you received interest from other third parties who would very much like to have their characters included in Smash Bros. Brawl?

Masahiro Sakurai: Nope. No other ones.

Well, I bolded YOU and FROM because Sakurai clearly states some NINTENDO characters could not be added, like HE looked into it, not that he was approached, ANNNNNND, we know Sakurai doesn't consider Geno a third party:

Super Mario series
(1) Koopa: 169 (Bowser)
(2) Princess Peach: 66
(3) Wario: 65
(4) Kinopio: 27 (Toad)
(5) Nokonoko: 9 (Koopa Troopa)
(6) Kamec: 8 (Magikoopa)
(7) Kuribou: 7 (Goomba)
(8) Mallow (Mario RPG): 5
(8) Geno (Mario RPG): 5
(10) Baby Mario: 3

So, what requested, and hyped NINTENDO character who DIDN'T SHOW UP IN BRAWL, would have IP ISSUES ACCORDING TO SAKURAI?

Motha ****in' Geno.

 

[Big-Cat]

To me, from a gameplay standpoint, single player's a bonus and an after though at worst for this kind of game. Simply put, it doesn't take a genius to realize that balancing a single player game is easier than balancing a multiplayer one. Sometimes I wonder if Brawl roster was designed with that in mind as I wanna say Meta Knight isn't so derp in SSE.

 

[Johnknight1]

Watch as Sakurai trolls us and gives us Travis Touchdown.

The only way I see that happens is if No More Heroes 3 comes around, and it is also a Nintendo console exclusive. Personally, I think it would be great marketing for Nintendo's 3rd Party console exclusive games. Travis wouldn't have to be playable, either. He could be a boss, assist trophy character, a trophy, a NPC, we could get a No More Heroes stage, etc.

The same could go for other Nintendo console exclusive 3rd party series/franchises/characters. Plus it would be an added bonus for developers and producers to keep their series on Nintendo consoles exclusively. Free advertisement and hype is always a good thing, unless it is negative (and Smash Bros. is never negative with either of those).

Out of the two I would guess Sonic has a better chance of staying than Snake. However, Sakurai mentioned that he did not think more than one or two guest characters should be in a Smash game.

WRONG!!! He said no more than "one or two more" guests will be added along with Snake in Brawl. We got one more: Sonic. That was Brawl. This is Smash Bros. 4 and 5. For all we know all the newcomers could be Shadow the Hedgehog clones.

Of course that was during Brawl. Sakurai has since complained about how Nintendo hasn't made new characters. Will he use guest characters for more slots as a result?

Capcom and Mega Man are still in the waiting. Also, Little Mac and Paletuna, while retro characters, are also modern characters. Those two directions are very simple ways to go. Not to mention Saki, Issac, and Starfy are always easy to get, especially since they were Assist Trophy characters. Personally, I like Issac's chances the best out of those 3. Plus Issac is an awesome character, would be great as a playable character, and is an all-around cool dude.

In any case, I do not think that one can assume that Sonic and Snake are shoe-ins if Sakurai wants to add other guest characters. Too many factors at play.

Sonic is a shoe-in unless Nintendo wants to lose free advertisement, free hype, and free money. I'm guessing at least 100,000 brought Brawl because of Sonic-related hype. That's what=??? $5,000,000 plus tax. That's a lot of money. Judging by Nintendo's seasonal financial reports, they need more money.

The same goes for SEGA. Sonic franchise sales went up after Sonic was in Brawl. More money doesn't hurt SEGA, especially in this economy.

Again, unless Nintendo and SEGA want to go bankrupt, it's the logical thing to do. That's why Sonic is a shoe-in, hands down. Not keeping Sonic in Smash would be even more stupid than this dumb anti-renting/borrowing of games for these upcoming Microsoft and Sony home consoles. At least that idea revolves around making money short-term, although long-term it will probably lose money, customers, and alienate markets.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Sakurai needs to resolve those IP issues, now!

Get that mutha ****in' Geno in my mutha ****in' Smash

 

[Arcadenik]

Shortie, all that tells me is that Sakurai went "**** that ****! It isn't worth going through all that legal mumbo jumbo just for one Mario character most people haven't heard of" and went with Sonic.

I don't want Geno in Smash unless Mallow is playable too. Both or nothing. And besides, Toad needs to be playable first. Priorities, priorities!

 

[Shorts]

Shortie, all that tells me is that Sakurai went "**** that ****! It isn't worth going through all that legal mumbo jumbo just for one Mario character most people haven't heard of" and went with Sonic.

Maybe, but Impa, Duck Hunt and Meowth are never getting into Smash. So live WITH THAT Arcade.

 

[Arcadenik]

Maybe, but Impa, Duck Hunt and Meowth are never getting into Smash. So live WITH THAT Arcade.

Ooh, lookie! I made Jennifer Love Hewitt mad. What does Geno have to do with Meowth, Duck Hunt Dog, or Impa? They aren't Mario characters.