New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Deleted member]

IMO, Marth should have been starter while Ike should've been the unlockable.

Judging by some info, I think Ike and DDD were planned to be unlockable and made starters later on.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Mario and Sonic: The formula doesn't need to be followed though, especially when you realize why the Pokemon were chosen the way they were; popularity. Charizard easily trumped Venasaur and Blastoise, so he was a lock. So it was a fight between Squirtle and Bulbasaur as Ivysaur and Wartortle were equally forgettable. Squirtle has been typically more popular than Bulbasaur, so that's why Squirtle was chosen.

With the Unova starters, Snivy is the dominant one of the Basic forms by far. Samurott is more popular than Emboar in Japan, however, Emboar is much easier to envision in a Smash environment. So by ease of design, Emboar would get in over Samurott. Which leaves Dewott as the "default".

I guess I just find Oshawott to be more interesting than Dewott.

 

[Starphoenix]

IMO, Marth should have been starter while Ike should've been the unlockable.

Judging by some info, I think Ike and DDD were planned to be unlockable and made starters later on.

I wouldn't put it in the unlikely bin. Considering some of the things Sakurai has said post-Brawl it sounds like the roster got shaken up at one point during Brawl's development.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Anna should get some tribute recognition in Smash, I mean, she's sorta like... um... "very recurring, recognisable character"? Chocobo-popular-like?

 

[Oasis_S]

How would that make any sense when every newer generation Pokémon has been unlockable so far? If anything make Lucario and Jigglypuff a starter and hide Mewtwo, Genesect and Pokémon Trainer.

You're really bad at this.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I mean Fire Emblem's Anna, BTW.

Oshawott appeals to me more than Dewott. Little fella using his shell like a sword? I'm in.

 

[Big-Cat]

From requests on how Assist Trophies should be improved. I've seen that many just wish to get more Assist Trophies and they should be more plentiful. Also them being no more being restricted to appear one at time only, like Pokemon.

They need to more than non-Pokemon Pokeball Pokemon. That's for starters.

On the PT Pokemon and the reason behind them, I think it's simple. Charizard is still one of the most popular Pokemon and might be the most popular starter. Squirtle's got a lot going for him thanks to the anime and so does Bulbasaur, but then you'd have two stage 1's and a stage 3 and that'd look weird. Since there wasn't much of a difference between Bulbasaur and Ivysaur aside from Ivy being slightly bigger, they evened it out with Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard.

 

[Deleted member]

Anna should get in over Krom. half-

 

[Starphoenix]

You're really bad at this.

Hush. I'm thinking of ways to freshen up a stale process.

 

[Oasis_S]

Hush. I'm thinking of ways to freshen up a stale process.

You want to start up the game and be greeted by a bunch of OLD ***-CHARACTERS because you're afraid of change.

Newcomers tend to be starters for a reason.

Characters that are similar to others are unlockable for a reason.

You want to start the game out with a lot of FRESHNESS.

 

[Starphoenix]

You want to start up the game and be greeted by a bunch of OLD ***-CHARACTERS because you're afraid of change.

Newcomers tend to be starters for a reason.

Characters that are similar to others are unlockable for a reason.

You want to start the game out with a lot of FRESHNESS.

I disagree. You want to retain the element of surprise. Better to unlock characters that are actually rewarding and exciting. There needs to be a balance. Brawl's was not.

 

[Big-Cat]

I agree that having most of the newcomers as unlockable is better as that's where the element of surprise is. Having a new gameplay system and a couple of new characters is enough to freshen things up initially.

This is why unlockables are so good. Speaking of which, I'm rather irritated that Capcom locked away colors and possibly gems. They're free and all, but they should've been unlockable. It'd be another thing if you could buy a really cheap key so you can unlock it all quickly.

 

[Deleted member]

Let's see:

Melee-Newcomers: 13
Starters: 4
Unlockables: 9

Brawl-Newcomers: 16 (counting Zero Suit)
Starters: 10 (counting Zero Suit)
Unlockables: 6

Newcomers don't "tend" to be starters, as that was one game. They don't "tend" to be unlockables either, as that was also one game.

 

[Oasis_S]

I disagree. You want to retain the element of surprise. Better to unlock characters that are actually rewarding and exciting. There needs to be a balance. Brawl's was not.

Mmmm, just going to with you're bad at this.

Kuma, you too.

 

[Aaven]

Anna should get some tribute recognition in Smash, I mean, she's sorta like... um... "very recurring, recognisable character"? Chocobo-popular-like?

I agree, I think it would be cool if she appeared and explained things in tutorials, main menus, etc.

Example: She would be in the corner of the main menu and explain what each different option was. It would be certain to spice up the Smash Menus as well.

 

[Johnknight1]

@John- That would be soooooo badass, but would it be feasible?

Yes. It makes sense to put the best stages from each Smash Bros. game (Smash 64, Melee, and Brawl) into the game as "Past Stages." Personally, I would chuck out $20 to pay for all previous stages as DLC!

ANY stage from 6t4 would be awesome. In fact, why not put ALL of them in!

Exactly. If you ask me, 1st (on the disc) add a "Greatest Hits" of past stages from each game (like 3 from Smash 64 and Melee and 15 from Brawl). Then, add the rest of the past stages as DLC for $20. I dunno about you, but I would buy that in an instant!

Minecarts in Smash would be the best thing ever.

I've been preaching this nonstop for weeks. Imagine a story mode level where you gotta fight a ton of enemies on a cart, or even a boss. That would equal PURE WIN!!!

Um, WHAT?!?! Capcom had a Brawl design for Mega Man?! I've NEVER heard that before

Keiji Inafune made the Mega Man model for Brawl himself. Granted though that Sakurai never approached Capcom about adding Mega Man to Brawl's roster and Capcom most likely never approached Nintendo about adding Mega Man to Brawl's roster.

JohnK is the one who said they did

There's a link to this in the Backroom thread. I can't find the source, but Keiji Inafune said this in an interview, and Street Fighter X Tekken references this.

John says a lot of things.

That is because I am the spokesman for GOD! LMAO at you guys discussing me so while I was asleep.

Basically John is a Stinky liar.

Shh... just come.

Strangely, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is nearing its two year anniversary. But that's a moot point, seeing as Rosalina's role in that game is very minor.

I guess I'm just trying to think of ways to reference the Super Mario Galaxy titles, but I don't like the idea of seeing Rosalina be neglected.

This has happened to many supporting (Mario) characters before. Midna, Zant, Birdo, Daisy, etc.

Everyone should be voiced by Captain Falcon's voice actor. Problem solved

That's not a bad idea!

 

[Metal Overlord]

How would that make any sense when every newer generation Pokémon has been unlockable so far? If anything make Lucario and Jigglypuff a starter and hide Mewtwo, Genesect and Pokémon Trainer.

"Every" new gen Pokemon? Lol, only two of those types of Pokemon have been unlockables so far

And also, would you have thought that Ike would be a starter during pre-Brawl times? Just saiyan

 

[Oasis_S]

how would that make any sense when every newer generation pokémon has been unlockable so far? If anything make lucario and jigglypuff a starter and hide mewtwo, genesect and pokémon trainer.

OH YEAH STARPHOENIX DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PATTRENDS ALRIGHTcaps.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Aaven: I agree. Rover from Animal Crossing should accompany her, maybe. He'd also load the save information when you wait after Wiimote warning before the game starts.

 

[Big-Cat]

Mmmm, just going to with you're bad at this.

Kuma, you too.

10electronicdrugdealers

 

[Johnknight1]

If Sonic & Snake don't make it in, I'm gonna enjoy the ****storm from fans EVERYWHERE!

If that happens, Smash will make millions less, which is why it won't happen.
[COLLAPSE="Here's a few potential newcomer characters that I think could be early reveals:"]Toad: A popular constant character in the Mario franchise.
King K. Rool: An awesome villain and guy everyone is behind and wants in smash. He's uber popular.
Dixie Kong: A popular retro character who almost made it in smash before. Her early reveal, in a way, would be similar to Pit. Remember, Pit was rumored to be in Smash 64, and his Melee trophy asked the question "will he ever fight again?" (the answer is no, but a female p***y version of Pit would appear in Brawl)
Ridley: BAMF enemy addition we all like, much like Meta Knight, except probably more popular. Pn a side note, part of me wants Meta Knight to get cut.
Zoroark/Victini: Super popular new Pokémon that would definitely create a firestorm of joy for some.
Samurai Goroh: A Super Smash Bros. fan favorite and F-Zero fan favorite that seems like he would fit nicely in smash.
Paletuna: A popular revived supporting character.
Issac: A popular main character from a smaller series.
Little Mac: A retro character who recently had a successful modern revival.
Mega Man: Arguably the most popular requested addition, and easily the most popular 3rd party character not in smash yet.
Pac-Man: A "WTF?" 3rd party character everybody knows, and would be like Snake all over again.

I also wouldn't put it past Sakurai to include... say... Mewtwo (maybe Roy, but that is a stretch) early on to raise the hype roof! [/COLLAPSE]And guy seriously, we need Tom Nook as an assist trophy to sell us crap. Maybe in Coin mode he would sell us stuff in exchange for coins!

@ Kuma
That .gif is scaring me...

 

[Mypantisgone]

Hey,now i have an interesting claim,E.gadd,because we need crazy/old man/funny chars

 

[Oasis_S]

10electronicdrugdealers

I'm flushed.

 

[Starphoenix]

Ah nevermind.

 

[Deleted member]

OSHI-
I just realized something. Everybody watch out for any "news" that comes tomorrow...
It's that time of year again...

National Sheng Long Day...

 

[Mypantisgone]

Oh,yeah,time to go fishing.

any request like e.gadd?you know,that weird character,funny,and it would make luigi's mansion more popular!

 

[Metal Overlord]

You know what would be a badass April Fool's joke?

If a magazine posted something about a game, knowing that because of the date people wouldn't believe it, only for us to eventually find out that it's actually real LOL

@Mypants- If Adventure Mode actually features NPCs and side quests this time around, E. Gadd would be an awesome helpful NPC that interacts with you in some way, or he could be an Assist Trophy

 

[Deleted member]

You know what would be a badass April Fool's joke?

If a magazine posted something about a game, knowing that because of the date people wouldn't believe it, only to eventually find it that it's actually real LOL

You mean like what happened with Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Ohh... right. (-l▼l-)

April Fools. (-l3l-)

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Golden- Pretty much yeah

Speaking of which, Ninty and SEGA need to stop playin' games and make a Mario and Sonic platformer game already

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal: I think one of the developers had said that this is not possible because both series are hard to connect together and finding or creating a context where both series can co-exist is difficult to make. This is because both series' universes are so different from each other.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Aww really? Dammit

I guess with that dream crushed, I might as well just hope Sonic returns in Smash 4

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I can only hope they make M&S Olympics just much more polished and better. The controls just kill the game. IMO 2012-version was the best so far.

 

[Starphoenix]

Crap, Google just spoofed Dragon Quest and Nintendo for their yearly April fools joke! Google 8-bit. This is so epic. lol XD

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=174704
http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps

Yay, and they play my favorite DQ song too. :D

Anyways, after some monster hunting... I've often wondered if Smash Bros should have an RPG sidegame in the vain of Professor Layton.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Lately, I've been thinking that every kind of unlockable should be shown on the Checklist; this does include playable characters.

For one example...

"Clear Classic Mode as Mario."

If you clear the objective...

"Clear Classic Mode as Mario." -> New Challenger: ???

If the challenger is defeated...

"Clear Classic Mode as Mario." -> New Challenger: Luigi

Now, in terms of color coding...

Transparent: Condition is not available.
Gray: Objective has yet to be cleared.
Purple: Used a Free Check on the objective.
Yellow: Objective cleared, but failed to unlock its challenger.
Red: Objective cleared, and successfully unlocked its challenger.
Green: Objective cleared. Not used with challenger related objectives.

Regarding the Free Checks, you can use them to check off objectives of your choice, but they can't be used on objectives that involve unlocking new fighters. They also have no effect on Adventure Mode tasks, along with tasks that involve The Arena.

This might sound silly and all, but I'm sure some people found it too easy that you can bypass most challenger matches just by playing the Subspace Emissary.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

"Every" new gen Pokemon? Lol, only two of those types of Pokemon have been unlockables so far

And also, would you have thought that Ike would be a starter during pre-Brawl times? Just saiyan

Well, every Gen besides Gen 1(which two of them so far) were unlockables.

Pikachu and PT are the only Pokemon characters to stay starters. Likewise, they're only playable "Starter" Pokemon too. The rest had to be caught in the games.(by that, I mean the regular games, not the spin-offs)

 

[SmashChu]

Who thinks Sm4sh will have more starting newcomers than Brawl (which had nine)? Less?

Oh, I always forget about Miis. I bet they'll be in the trailer too.

Someone made a good point. With each game, the content has increased by huge jumps. Melee had a lot more content than 64 and Brawl had a lot more content than Melee. It wouldn't be surprising to see SSB4 have a lot more content then Brawl. To show what I mean.

64

• 12 characters
• 9 stages

Melee

• 13 new characters
• 26 stages
• 3 past stages

Brawl

• 15 New Characters*
• 31 stages
• 10 past stages

The only thing that didn't increase much was the number of new stages, but we got 15 new characters and 10 past stages, plus all the other stuff. I've been conservative with my estimates, but it could be a lot more content in the next game.

 

[Starphoenix]

Someone made a good point. With each game, the content has increased by huge jumps. Melee had a lot more content than 64 and Brawl had a lot more content than Melee. It wouldn't be surprising to see SSB4 have a lot more content then Brawl. To show what I mean.

64

• 12 characters
• 9 stages

Melee

• 13 new characters
• 26 stages
• 3 past stages

Brawl

• 15 New Characters*
• 31 stages
• 10 past stages

The only thing that didn't increase much was the number of new stages, but we got 15 new characters and 10 past stages, plus all the other stuff. I've been conservative with my estimates, but it could be a lot more content in the next game.

Cool, we're back on a topic? Well, I cannot see how much more the next Smash could dowithout simply stuffing. For me I feel like, as far as content is concerned, Brawl really pushed the threshold. The only thing I could see being improved greatly upon in the next game is WiFi and potential features.

 

[Bowserlick]

I would rather Sakurai not bother with a story mode. Concentrate on events for single player. The focus should be on multi-player and characters.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I would rather Sakurai not bother with a story mode. Concentrate on events for single player. The focus should be on multi-player and characters.

Then what's the point of having solo mode then?! It's not Smash Bros. without all the solo game modes after all, even if Adventure Mode seems redundant.