New Smash Bros for WiiU

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Krom looks like a mix of Marth and Ike. I'm guessing they gave him a bit of Ike as to make him slightly contrast Marth? who is appears as well.

Still I don't think it matters too much as there's no real reason to get rid of Ike or Marth. Roy, however, is another story...

 

[Arcadenik]

Off topic: I just realized why it is hard for left-handed players (like myself) to play Uprising... it doesn't have the L-targeting like the Zelda games do. It would have made it a lot easier to simply hold the R button to target to the nearest enemy while I hold the L button to shoot them. Then I wouldn't need to fumble with controller options to see which ones work best for me.

 

[Johnknight1]

Roy is another story. I think whereas Ike is all strength with a huge 2 hand sword, Marth is all speed with a small 1 hand sword, and Krom seems to be something like a somewhat strong character (a mini-Ike, if you will) with a small 1 hand sword, Roy is a fast yet strong character with a fairly big 1 hand sword.

So basically:
Marth: A total speedster.
Ike: All power.
Krom: A mix of the two's styles with perhaps more strength or a specific glaring weakness.
Roy: An even mix of power and speed (with a weakness after attacks).

 

[Deleted member]

One handed swords can be wielded in two hands as well for more control.

Not only that, but there was a cutscene that showed both Krom and "Marth" using only one hand for the swords. While it may have been just flailing the swords around in flashy motion, I really doubt they could do that if the sword was as heavy as Ragnell...

 

[ChronoBound]

Krom looks like a mix of Marth and Ike. I'm guessing they gave him a bit of Ike as to make him slightly contrast Marth? who is appears as well.

Still I don't think it matters too much as there's no real reason to get rid of Ike or Marth. Roy, however, is another story...

I don't understand how Krom is a mix of Marth and Ike.

As for Roy, I think people don't actually realize how much he is requested in Japan. He is like the Ridley or K. Rool of Japan.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm just gonna say it: I think BOTH Roy and Chrome are gonna get it into Smash. I think FE is gonna have 4 reps this time

 

[Deleted member]

Marth, Roy, Ike, and Krom.

Yeah. I can live with that.

 

[Johnknight1]

That would be awesome if that happened Metal Overlord, but I dunno. I think 3 seems likely, especially given that Marth is the franchises' icon and Ike is insanely popular and a well put together character. Roy is also very popular (not the best put together character, but if you based him off his FE6 appearance he could be), and Krom looks like a great character, and is bound to be popular at least in Japan.

This is slowly becoming a tougher and tougher grind for roster spots... possibly.

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm just gonna say it: I think BOTH Roy and Chrome are gonna get it into Smash. I think FE is gonna have 4 reps this time

The only reason I think this is possible is due to how popular all of the Fire Emblem characters have been in Smash Bros. I often seen a lot of requests in Japan for even more Fire Emblem characters, thinking the series should get two newcomers. I think Sakurai, although he is a huge Fire Emblem fan, may think four characters is too much for the series, but he did give the series two characters in Melee when it was only a Japan-only series. Alsom, if both Krom and Roy are in, I am expecting Krom as a starter (revealed on the Dojo), while Roy is hidden.

 

[Deleted member]

Watch as Sakurai is a **** and adds

Spoiler

Hades

as the new KI character.
Wait, do we still have to spoiler him?

 

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I don't understand how Krom is a mix of Marth and Ike.

As for Roy, I think people don't actually realize how much he is requested in Japan. He is like the Ridley or K. Rool of Japan.

It's all subjective.

I'm still betting on Marth, Roy and Ike. Krom I still think is in the running, but it probably comes from my interest in his game rather than Krom himself.

Looking things over, Roy is probably equal to Krom in a lot of areas, except for popularity, which is what puts him over the top.

It'd be really cool BTW to see Roy in FE13 as well.

 

[Aurane]

Pokémon Smash Announcement

During the preview for next week's Pokémon Smash episode, it was revealed that in the episode, there is to be an announcement. The contents of this announcement are not currently known but the wording states that this announcement is something completely new and obviously Pokémon related. We'll provide details as and when they come so keep checking back as we'll post whenever the information is announced

News upcoming, but new news? We're getting a bunch of surprises, lately. I'll be watching for this.

 

[ChronoBound]

Watch as Sakurai is a **** and adds

Spoiler

Hades

as the new KI character.
Wait, do we still have to spoiler him?

Spoiler

Hades

will probably be a boss. Medusa has a good shot at being a boss too, though her chances for being playable are much better than

Spoiler

Hades

since Sakurai can at least base Medusa off of Palutena.

 

[vicgur]

I think that A Link to the Past and the original Legend of Zelda are vastly superior to Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time. A lot of people agree on the former who have played more than just a handful of Zelda games.

Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.
The 2D games are great and all. But their stories will never, and I repeat, NEVER have a dept like Majora's Mask's.

 

[Starphoenix]

We don't how much Sealed Sword Falchion weighs. We do know that it has infinite uses.

Oooh c'mon. You know the whole thing about Ike is that he can swing a two handed sword with one

From Fire Emblem, Ike appears! The fact that he can wield a two-handed sword with a single hand is a testament to his magnificent strength. Krom and Marth seem to be holding Sealed Sword Falchion with two hands. Look at the hilt.

You know you can hold a regular sword with two hands too?

Krom and Marth have the same blade in FE13 yes, but its obvious that Sealed Sword Falchion is a different holy weapon than the Falchion of Marth's time. We are not even sure whether its even the Falchion of Marth's time. We will find out though about this once FE13 is released.

Which might be the case, but I don't see how that is a bad thing. If anything it might be good in making Krom a little more distinct.

That is your opinion. Elsewhere, I have seen people compare his fighting style to Ike.

Dude, that is their opinion too. I've played a few Fire Emblem games too you know?

I have seen people compare his design to FE10 Ike. Specifically the shoulder pad, and having one completely bare arm.

Yeah... Look at the rest of his design. His shoes, the way the engravings on his shirt. The design is much different from other lords in past games.

LOLNO. For a lord that was obviously based off Marth, look at Celice (of which the Tyrfing looks almost the same as the Marth's Falchion).

The best thing is to wait for FE13's release before a proper assessment can be made.

If that is the case than why even entertain the idea that he is similar than Ike? From what I have seen from cutscenes and gameplay he does not function like Ike, and yes I have seen Ike, from both games. I'm just offering my opinion. Blargh I'm not trying to debate this. :\

Speaking of news, next week Nintendo will probably be holding an Investor Meeting. It will be the end of their fiscal year, and there are rumors that some embargoes on the Wii U will lift in two days. Whether anything will come of this or not we will know by Monday.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah Marth and Ike have been two of the most played characters in smash since their introduction. The Fire Emblem series transfer over well to smash, and aside from Meta Knight, Young/Toon Link, and Link, we don't have any sword wielding characters. Fire Emblem characters offer all kinds of sword-wielding styles and techniques, both Western and Eastern.

Plus another advantage the Fire Emblem series has is it has multiple "main characters" (MOTHER also has that advantage). In Mario the main character, maybe a handful of games aside, is Mario. In Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, and other Nintendo series, there is only one main character.

Marth (FE1 and 3 and their remakes 11 and 12), Roy (FE6), Ike (FE9 and the latter part of 10), and Krom (FE13) also are 4 of the handful of Lords to fully star a Fire Emblem game.

Note: Fire Emblem 7 and 8 both have multiple "main" Lords. I don't know much about FE4 or 5, though. Is there a Lord who is the main Lord throughout those games=???

@ vicgur
Story, lol=??? The story is somewhat dark in Majora's Mask, but it isn't deep at all. If you put that "deep" game's story next to The Shawshank Redemption, you will get laughed at and embarrassed for calling that story "deep."

Regardless, I wasn't talking about the story. Stories don't keep me coming back to games over and over again. Only gameplay does that. The gameplay, difficulty (which is nonexistent in Majora's Mask, aside from that wedding mask quest because of bad camera angles), and replay value are much higher in the original Legend of Zelda and A Link to the Past IMO.

 

[ChronoBound]

Marth (FE1 and 3 and their remakes 11 and 12), Roy (FE6), Ike (FE9 and the latter part of 10), and Krom (FE13) also are 4 of the handful of Lords to fully star a Fire Emblem game.

Note: Fire Emblem 7 and 8 both have multiple "main" Lords. I don't know much about FE4 or 5, though. Is there a Lord who is the main Lord throughout those games=???

FE4: Sigurd and Celice get equal screen time. Sigurd is the lord of the first half of the game, while Celice is the lord of the second half.

FE5: Its Leaf by himself. However, FE5 basically exists as a sidestory to FE4's second half.

 

[vicgur]

@ vicgur
Story, lol=??? The story is somewhat dark in Majora's Mask, but it isn't deep at all. If you put that "deep" game's story next to The Shawshank Redemption, you will get laughed at and embarrassed for calling that story "deep."

Regardless, I wasn't talking about the story. Stories don't keep me coming back to games over and over again. Only gameplay does that. The gameplay, difficulty (which is nonexistent in Majora's Mask, aside from that wedding mask quest because of bad camera angles), and replay value are much higher in the original Legend of Zelda and A Link to the Past IMO.

Sorry, my last post was made in a hurry.
Okay, I won't have a discussion about which is better. It's all a matter of opinion.

But, as good as they can be, I'd never say the 2D games are better than the N64 ones.

 

[Johnknight1]

FE4: Sigurd and Celice get equal screen time. Sigurd is the lord of the first half of the game, while Celice is the lord of the second half.

FE5: Its Leaf by himself. However, FE5 basically exists as a sidestory to FE4's second half.

Alright, so I'm going to create a formula now for you all. So basically, Fire Emblem side stories (such as FE2 and FE5) are basically disqualified from having a playable character in smash. Fire Emblem games with multiple main Lords (FE2 [twice mentioned], FE4, FE7, FE8, FE10) have multiple Lords, and thus we can most likely count those out as well for having playable characters in Smash. So literally, with this formula, I have eliminated 6 of the 13 Fire Emblem games from having Lords in smash (if this formula is correct).

That leaves us Fire Emblem 1, 3, 6, 9, 11, 12, and 13.
1 and 3 star Marth. 11 and 12 are remakes of 1 and 3 which still star Marth.
6 is starred by Roy.
9 (and the second and better half of 10) are starred by Ike.
13 is starred by Krom.

So pretty much I just created a formula that disqualifies all other past Lords, and narrows it down to the 4 Fire Emblem characters that have strong fan bases.

@ vicgur
2D > 3D. Smash > Tekken. *looks for butthurt Tekken fans*

 

[ChronoBound]

Gaiden (FE2) also had two lords.

 

[Johnknight1]

Gaiden (Fire Emblem 2) also gets a lot of negative things said about it, if I remember correctly.

Edit: The same to a lesser extent I know happens with the Sacred Stones (Fire Emblem 8) because of it's minimal difficulty.

Also, Fire Emblem (7: The Blazing Sword) has some people who view it's 10 Chapter opening because it is basically all tutorial stuff.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Marth, Roy, Ike, and Krom.

Yeah. I can live with that.

We've been through this before and all agreed its the best that could happen. How unoriginal it might seem to have 4 swordsmen, all could easily have their own style of fighting, yet be similar to each other still.

Marth and Ike would be polar opposites and Roy and Krom would blend in between their styles. Roy would play as a Marth-Ike style fighter, Krom as a Ike-Marth style fighter.

All would have mostly unique B moves though.

 

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Gaiden (Fire Emblem 2) also gets a lot of negative things said about it, if I remember correctly.

Speak for yourself. :3

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Triple Dash
I've never played Fire Emblem 2: Gaiden, but I hear a lot more negative comments about it than any other Fire Emblem game. Maybe I would like it; I usually like "Black sheep" games like Super Mario Bros. 2 and Zelda II.

 

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@ Triple Dash
I've never played Fire Emblem 2: Gaiden, but I hear a lot more negative comments about it than any other Fire Emblem game. Maybe I would like it; I usually like "Black sheep" games like Super Mario Bros. 2 and Zelda II.

And are Super Mario Bros. 2 and Zelda 2, also Metroid 2 bad games?

The only real downside to the game is that grinding for levels is really annoying like most any RPG. It honestly should get more attention than it gets.

BTW, funny story, because the battery save on the copy I own was broken, I ended up leaving my NES on for a week in order to complete it. Probably the reason I enjoy it so much, ah the memories of staying awake at night worrying if my NES would catch on fire.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah I heard a lot of people hated not using multiple items. Personally in Fire Emblem I am an item w***e. Plus the Fire Emblem series is already hard enough as is for me!

I'll get around to playing it once I beat Fire Emblem (6) again (I'm on my 3rd play through) and I actually have the patience to beat Fire Emblem 8 for once.

But yeah, Zelda II, SMB 2 (and the Lost Levels), and Metroid II are all great games.

Also that story about your NES is hilarious.

Edit: I find the untapped potential of Zelda II and Metroid II to be disappointing. I wish Zelda II was remade (either keep it as a side scrolling 2D game or make it an overhead 2D game like all the other 2D Zelda games) with a lot more stuff, more dungeons, an easier default mode, more magic, more level ups, actual items, more dungeons, and a more easy to follow experience (because where to go 90% of the time was a mystery).

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I'd like to see Eirika or Lyn, mostly Lyn in the next smash, also I'd like to see one of the Goddesses from Kid Icarus + a Villain added.

Goddess of nature, or the Goddess of thunder/lightning I think are the ones I'd want, but Palutena has a much higher chance than them.

Mother I just want one more character, Idc who I just want another, love all the characters ;_;

 

[SmashChu]

Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.
The 2D games are great and all. But their stories will never, and I repeat, NEVER have a dept like Majora's Mask's.

Actually, I'm going go with John with this one. The 2D games are just so much better.

 

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@John: Agreed. A remake for Zelda/Metroid/Gaiden would do wonders for those games.

BTW I also agree with you on 2D vs 3D Zelda, I just never really cared for the 3D games incomparison to the 2D ones.

EDIT: Probably should get back on topic.

 

[Big-Cat]

@ vicgur
2D > 3D. Smash > Tekken. *looks for butthurt Tekken fans*

Was this even necessary?

 

[Johnknight1]

I'd like to see Eirika or Lyn, mostly Lyn in the next smash.

Lyn's got a lot of negative reaction because of her role in the opening of her game, which was a tutorial. Erika and Ephraim both star in possibly the most disliked Fire Emblem game due to it's lowered difficulty.

Mother I just want one more character, Idc who I just want another, love all the characters ;_;

Meah, MOTHER is fine. The franchise is lucky to even have Lucas and Ness alone in smash, let alone both in the same game (Brawl).

@ Triple Dash
Metroid II just needs Samus to be smaller on the screen, more of a story, and a bigger world with a longer game.

Zelda II just needs items from other Zelda games, namely the boomerang, bow and arrow, and maybe a hookshot or raft.

And dang it, 2D Zelda games are just more simple and challenging to play. 3D Zelda games are so easy, a baby could beat them.

@ KumaOso
Nothing is necessary, except evil with an extra e!

 

[Pieman0920]

Gotten to Chapter 20 of Uprising. :0

If you guys haven't been playing this, you better be playing this soon.

Anyways, at this point I do have to wonder about the representation of characters in Kid Icarus, since the tone of different parts of the game seem to switch wildly. I mean, Palutena, Medusa,

Spoiler

Hades, and Viridi

all seem to have a lot of personality and are fleshed out....well maybe not Medusa that much. I do sort of hope that

Spoiler

Hades

gets to show up somehow, since he's really a fun villain. Loved it when he

Spoiler

crashed that alien space station into their own base so Pit could fly through the flaming wreckage to get in.

 

[SmashChu]

Was this even necessary?

Yes it was.

 

[Starphoenix]

Gotten to Chapter 20 of Uprising. :0

If you guys haven't been playing this, you better be playing this soon.

Anyways, at this point I do have to wonder about the representation of characters in Kid Icarus, since the tone of different parts of the game seem to switch wildly. I mean, Palutena, Medusa,

Spoiler

Hades, and Viridi

all seem to have a lot of personality and are fleshed out....well maybe not Medusa that much. I do sort of hope that

Spoiler

Hades

gets to show up somehow, since he's really a fun villain. Loved it when he

Spoiler

crashed that alien space station into their own base so Pit could fly through the flaming wreckage to get in.

Been following gameplay videos, looks amazing.

Spoiler

Personally out of all four of the characters Medusa, surprisingly has the least fleshed out persona in this game. I'd even say Magnus has a little bit more work in comparison to Meduse.

After seeing the videos I am definitely more excited for another Kid Icarus character.

@Chu: You're blocked, stop goading it already.

 

[ChronoBound]

Been following gameplay videos, looks amazing.

Spoiler

Personally out of all four of the characters Medusa, surprisingly has the least fleshed out persona in this game. I'd even say Magnus has a little bit more work in comparison to Meduse.

Yeah, Medusa definitely impressed me the least of all the major characters in Uprising. Heck, I ended up liking even Magnus more (who was purposedly made with being a cliched RPG hero in mind).

Spoiler

Hades and Viridi

definitely have a lot personality, however, I like

Spoiler

Hades

more, heck I like

Spoiler

Hades

as a character more than Ghirahim. However, I think

Spoiler

Hades

has no shot at being playable.

 

[Johnknight1]

I agree that

Spoiler

Impa

has no shot at being playable.

 

[Big-Cat]

@Chu: You're blocked, stop goading it already.

I like to see every now and then to see what his garbage tier trolling attempts are. I wasn't disappointed with the quality so to speak. Back on the Ignore List.

Anyway, so I saw the ending online, and I just gotta say

Spoiler

that what Pit was saying about humans reminded me as to why I left religion in the first place. I agree with Viridi more. AND OMG, SHE'S VOICED BY HYDEN "PRINCESS BUBBLEGUM" WALCH?!

I plan on getting the game next week, so I have it with me in time for Spring Break.

 

[ChronoBound]

With Uprising and the OVAs finally released, I feel its the end of an era. For the last two months I was quite anxious for the OVAs. Its exciting now that we now know everything pertaining to characters for Uprising, however, for the upcoming week it will be interesting to see if people will be suggesting things in the matter of stages, items, music, and Assist Trophies.

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I was correct in saying that Hades and Viridi were going to have a lot of people who like them. I specifically think the lolis within the Smash Bros. fanbase will try to push Viridi as the second newcomer for Kid Icarus. Phosphora and Pandora are also attractive females, but they lack the plot relevance that Palutena, Medusa, and Viridi have.

 

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^^This is true. Still we do have FE13 stuff to deal with, even if Krom doesn't matter in the end.

Not to mention I still have yet to give my full report on Uprising.

 

[Johnknight1]

Plus there's always that new IP Shigeru Miyamoto may make, Black and White II, Pikmin 3, and evidently a new Star Fox game, hinted to be made by Retro Studios. Not to mention we're so close to Fire Emblem 13, as well as it's DLC featuring past characters to speculate about... or at least their relationship to these forthcoming smash bros game.

Oh, and a future Wii U and 3DS Zelda titles, a future Wii U Mario game, and possibly a future Donkey Kong (Country) title are also something to look for as well.

Edit: Basically, there's still a whole lot of other games to discuss.

Any ways, I is off to bed. laters.

~His Knightliness Himself~,
-Johnknight1

P.S. Ridley for Smash Wii U and 3DS!