New Smash Bros for WiiU

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Palutena AND Medusa 4 Smash

Believe it or not, but I'd rather have both of them or only Pit than only getting one of them.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If the Eggplant Wizard is involved, it's fair game.

It took long enough for people to mention this.

Also, it could mean Palutena would fight, right?

 

[Zap tackle]

At least if Palutena has a major role in any way throughout the game, I'd say her chances are rather fair for SSB4.

Not fighting in a game prior to Smash Bros. didn't stop Zelda from getting into Melee (with Link's moves).

 

[Metal Overlord]

Why'd take out the other part of my post, Tri-Hy? lol

 

[Conviction]

I'll save you the time

"

IV. Public Enemies​

Now obviously people will have opinions that majorities won’t like. Don’t give up your opinion because it’s not liked, but the worst thing you can possibly do is try to force things down people throats if they don’t like it. This why characters and/or users become singled out. Once you become labeled people either will think of your opinion as lesser or not even consider it. This is how get excluded from debates/discussion.

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Anyways, I still want Magnus TT__TT I'll settle for Medusa though, I guess

EDIT: FINDING A BETTER GIF

 

[Oasis_S]

I wonder if we'll end up with Palutena, Dixie, and Roy as semi-clones.

I ALSO wonder if Roy returns as a semi-clone, which I guess I should expect as much as I don't want to, I WONDER if we could end up with both Roy and Krom?

 

[Baskerville]

WOAHHH DEM DETAILS FOR KI SHORTS

Palutena hosts a cooking contest??

NOOOOOO SHE'S BECOME A PRINCESS PEACH

I dunno but I just got that gut feeling from hearing "Palutena" and "cooking" in the same sentence.

Must... resist... changing... avatar...

I already made an avatar of that pic. XD

 

[Oasis_S]

Suddenly really wanting Little Mac.

 

[Conviction]

Mission Complete.

@Oasis: Little Mac vs. Diddy Kong??? On a more on topic note: I'd like to have 4 FE characters so I could have FE free for alls XD or FE team matches, Krom&Ike vs Marth&Roy

 

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If Roy was included right now wouldn't he already be a semi-clone due to the changes that happened to Marth in Brawl such as his N-Special?

Dixie wouldn't surprise me as a semi-clone, but I would think that Sakurai had something in mind to make her different from Diddy (talking about standard moves). Although, some of Dixie's moveset could have been fused into Diddy's...

EDIT: 4 FE characters? I'd be down for that.

 

[Conviction]

If Roy were to come back, I'd like them to change how his dancing blade looks compared to Marth's and idc if he keeps counter.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not fighting in a game prior to Smash Bros. didn't stop Zelda from getting into Melee (with Link's moves).

Yep, two non-canon Video Games and a TV Show where she fights...

Now name one licensed series where Palutena fights.

Oh, and the CD-i games counts since they were allowed to be made, and definitely shows she can fight. Albeit, it just proves she can, not that they make good moves.

And her real canon abilities are pretty damn lacking. Maybe she can take more notes from her latest appearances. Her final smash was even based upon Link's weapon.(although she created the Light Arrows first...)

 

[Oasis_S]

WELL, what I would like to think would happen for Roy, is that since he did not appear in Brawl, Sakurai shouldn't have to worry too much about alienating previous players by changing his moveset drastically. I really want Roy to get a major overhaul, because as far as I'm concerned he is one of, IF NOT THE MOST interesting lords in terms of how he would be implemented in Smash. I mean. Fire Sword. C'mon now, that is always amazing. Horizontal slice projecting out a wave of flames for a mid to long-range attack? Yes please.

BUUUT, if Krom has to be included as well, then making Roy a semi-clone of Marth once again would make everything easier. Krom better be interesting to compensate for such a TRAGEDY.


And Dixie is just bound to be similar to Diddy.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If Roy comes back, I wonder what his voice will sound like

 

[Conviction]

Whoever told you that BS that Sakurai doesn't want to change a character's playstyle, take it and throw it out.

A balance regarding the difficulties of surgical balance changes, and how they don't want characters to "feel the same," adding that specific traits/strengths/weaknesses are intentionally built to differentiate characters. Along with the "oh now that we nerfed this, this other thing is broken," etc. Iwata comments that this type of balancing is ridiculously hard and congratulates Sakurai for pulling it off with every single character by himself.

Spoiler

Source 1 ORIGIN

He wants to change how characters play.

 

[Zap tackle]

Yep, two non-canon Video Games and a TV Show where she fights...

Now name one licensed series where Palutena fights.

Oh, and the CD-i games counts since they were allowed to be made, and definitely shows she can fight. Albeit, it just proves she can, not that they make good moves.

And her real canon abilities are pretty damn lacking. Maybe she can take more notes from her latest appearances. Her final smash was even based upon Link's weapon.(although she created the Light Arrows first...)

You do make a point; however, in terms of her moveset for Smash it seems that it is almost all inspired by Link's moves (with the addition of Zelda's magical abilities which she briefly showed in Ocarnia of Time).

It is true that Palutena has yet to make an actual fighting instance (though Uprising might provide us one). Let's just see how involved she is within the plot. If she plays a large role as we are expecting, it could be possible that she might shed some light on her possible abilities.

 

[Oasis_S]

Whoever told you that BS that Sakurai doesn't want to change a character's playstyle, take it and throw it out.

Spoiler

Source 1 ORIGIN

He wants to change how characters play.

Nope. I'm keeping it.

 

[Conviction]

Then you want to keep clones?

 

[Oasis_S]

Nope. But I expect them.

 

[Deleted member]

Even though Zelda "fought" in the show and the CD-i games, notice that nothing from them were featured in her moveset...
(And for good reason, as Nintendo wants the CD-i games to be erased from history. Too bad they can't do anything about Youtube Poops. )

 

[Conviction]

Do you expect him to go to clones or making a character a clone as his first choice?

 

[Deleted member]

I expect that already clonish characters will remain clonish, like Ganondorf and Falco, while new characters will only be clonish if time issues become a problem.

I mean, the new "clones" in Brawl, Lucas, Toon Link, and Wolf all have reasoning about them.
Lucas was supposed to be Ness' replacement in Melee, so a similar Special set isn't farfetched.
Toon Link is a Link.
Wolf was most likely due to time issues, as he is near non-clone territory, and was one of the last characters finished...

EDIT: Which likely means Roy will be semi-clonish as well.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You do make a point; however, in terms of her moveset for Smash it seems that it is almost all inspired by Link's moves (with the addition of Zelda's magical abilities which she briefly showed in Ocarnia of Time).

I wasn't speaking of moves, only that she could fight. I agree that she's just basically Link as female without a sword at this point.

It is true that Palutena has yet to make an actual fighting instance (though Uprising might provide us one). Let's just see how involved she is within the plot. If she plays a large role as we are expecting, it could be possible that she might shed some light on her possible abilities.

Being in the plot is not enough. She still needs to do something of interest.

 

[Conviction]

Obviously those with similiar backgrounds or attributes will be clones or have similiar move sets\

My question has nothing do with a specific character. I'm addressing how Oasis said Sakurai wouldn't want to change a characters playstyle, so I think to myself then Sakurai wouldn't make the obviously bad clones, i.e. Ganondorf, different if he has the choice/time?

 

[Oasis_S]

Well, OKAY, if you want to say it like that, then sure, Sakurai may change a character's playstyle. Meleedorf and Brawldorf are very different from one another. But they're still Falcon clones.

 

[Conviction]

Not So Sophisticated when you think about it

Anyways, I agree Roy will probably stay similiar to Marth but I'd still like to see a different dancing blade than Marth's.

Oh and more Fire Moves.

 

[Oasis_S]

Are you trying to sneaky snake me into a corner. "If Sakurai would change Ganondorf's playstyle so 'drastically' like he did from Melee to Brawl, then what's to say he wouldn't go the extra step and change the moveset itself?"

 

[Conviction]

Yes, basically what I am saying or any character if he decides to.

This maybe to unSmash like but, it'd be cool if Roy got a command grab that made you stab you opponent, engulf them in fire, and then throw them foward.

The sword jab could do %2 and then the flame engulfing and throw foward would do an extra 5%.

Actually, I like that idea.

EDIT: Make that his new Down B

 

[Deleted member]

How about give Roy a fire wave attack like in his game?

 

[Oasis_S]

THEN I WOULD SAY, the possibility may be there, but going from what we know there's no reason to EXPECT him to.

A varied roster with no clones would be the Strongest outcome in the whole world. BUT IT'S ONLY A DREAM.

 

[Conviction]

@Yui: Make that his Neutral B. Look we're on a roll.

@Oasis: But a roster with varied characters with a few clones is logical, Melee. I hope you don't mind me taking the time to play Devil's advocate with you

 

[Oasis_S]

It's logical and expected and it Sucks.

 

[Conviction]

Oasis_Sad.

 

[Deleted member]

Shake King for Smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

@Diddy- http://www.youtube.com/v=WyjoOZMp-vg

Quoting so I can see this at home

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I dunno though, I enjoy some clones, it lets me enjoy some characters in some other new or alternative way. But the dumb thing is that it's bit overdone, especially in Melee.

There's something positive: Didn't Brawl have like, 4 clones (not including Luigi) compared to Melee's 6? (-'.'-)

So Sakurai didn't have much tendency to make clones as much as in Melee. Maybe this SSB4 will carry this on and give us even more originals and less clones?

 

[Deleted member]

Seems Sakurai can't win.

Sakurai added the clones in Melee because he felt people would ***** about there not being that many characters (20, not including Sheik, were planned. We don't know who the 20th was), and people still ***** because there are characters with similar moves, even though other games do the same damn thing.

You know what I think? People are spoiled.

 

[Metal Overlord]

That's right, my man Golden, preach de word

 

[Deleted member]

If any of my words don't come directly from the almighty God himself, then may I be struck by lightning right this very instant! Hallel-*struck by lightning*

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not So Sophisticated when you think about it

Anyways, I agree Roy will probably stay similiar to Marth but I'd still like to see a different dancing blade than Marth's.

Oh and more Fire Moves.

Roy would probably be a slight Marth clone still, but with his B move ranged, just like Ike should have his ranged cutting attack. Chrome could then have something that resembles Roy's Melee B without fire but with... I Dunno effect? FE13 effect, placeholder name. Maybe Ike and Chrome will be slight clones to (expect one to be stronger & slower, the other weaker & faster- like FE stats even mather? Look at Marth).

I expect Anthony to be a clever ZSS clone to (paralysis = ice, whip attacks = plasma gun : his most unique quality). Though I honestly believe Impa could have 75% unique moves from Sheik easily. Just borrow one ground attack, one aerial, one special aka Up B and done. Yet make them have same weight, and same jumping, and same speed and attacking strenght and combo potential.

I don't mind clones honestly if they're fun. But I want most characters more uniquely done anyway. If we can clone cool moves as Falcon Punch, Shadow Ball, Diddy's face ****, R.O.B.'s laser, Marth's side B, and more it would only add to the debt of the game, as these are well implemented moves.