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[Diddy Kong]

Worse than Dr.Mario's chances... How you take that is up to you...

And to be really honest, I think Roy and Dr.Mario have about the same chances.

Should I run for shelter now?

 

[lordvaati]

No, no whips. I want Skyward Strike and Shield Bash for Link and regular Boomerang & Bombs for Toon Link.

Would you guys be cool with the current roster + SS Zelda / Impa as a "Toon Zelda" like addition which you're all so crazy about appearantly?

I'd probably like Toon Zelda/Phantom Knight more than zelda paired w/ninja again.

What do you guys think the chances are of young link coming back?

from best chance to worst...

M2>>>Yink>Roy>Doc>>>PIchu

Also, Project M is not directly trying to make it play exactly like Melee, it's its own thing. It does take notes from it, though. I don't read much into it, but it was not meant to make Brawl an exact replica of Melee.

so far it's a mixed bag for me. for every good thing it adds(Super armoredBowser, new Charizard set) it adds something thatmakes mego, "why?"(re-cloning Falco, Making Tinkplay morelikeYink,Making Lucario like a SFcharacter)

 

[Propeller Toad]

What do you guys think the chances are of young link coming back?

He did have Ocarnia of Time 3DS; however, that doesn't stop the fact that there have also been multiple "Toon" Zelda games in the past few years. He has his chances; however, I still see Toon Link as frontrunner for a child Link. Of course, there is still the possibility if a new "child" Link becomes introduced in the soon future or if Young Link returns in a newer game. The Toon Zelda games seem to be on a halt for now (though they would look great for the 3DS ).

 

[Metal Overlord]

Roy and Doc have the same chances? Get the **** on somewhere, Diddy

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No, no whips. I want Skyward Strike and Shield Bash for Link and regular Boomerang & Bombs for Toon Link.

Which won't happen. They're going to have the same B moves. Might as well only use items that both Links can use, which is more logical. A lot of that stuff is great for Smashes/A moves instead.

Would you guys be cool with the current roster + SS Zelda / Impa as a "Toon Zelda" like addition which you're all so crazy about appearantly?

No. That's Adult Zelda. Toon Zelda is the Child version. Toon Zelda(Child) and Impa as a team would be neat, though. Or Phantom Knight Zelda and Impa works too.

@Lordvaati: As I said, I've read little into it. I know that they aren't trying to make it exactly like Melee, but that's all my info on it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Roy and Doc have the same chances? Get the **** on somewhere, Diddy

The situation where Doc where to get in as a 6th Mario filler rep is bigger to me than Roy being a 4th Fire Emblem character.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Worse than Dr.Mario's chances... How you take that is up to you...

And to be really honest, I think Roy and Dr.Mario have about the same chances.

Should I run for shelter now?

I'm used to the Roy bashing, but Dr. Mario is legitimately better than Mario in melee so I think he has a little bit of a chance.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Roy isn't a 4th Fire Emblem character

 

[Diddy Kong]

He isn't a 3rd one either with Ike and Chrome running around.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Roy for smash 4, by the way.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Chrome ain't competition yet

 

[Diddy Kong]

He'll be more than enough competition Roy can handle. Especially considering the situation.

Roy being in as a promotion character despite his game not coming out for like... a year later or so. Ike being added after PoR has been released 5 months or so... Why wouldn't they just go with Chrome for him being recent?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Roy isn't a 4th Fire Emblem character

That's right. He's the second.

He'll be more than enough competition Roy can handle. Especially considering the situation.

There is no situation here. Krom is not Roy's competition whatsoever. Ike might be still, though.

And Recency isn't a factor, Diddy. We've been over this. If Krom is very unpopular, Roy would come back instead. The game isn't even released yet. Stop jumping the gun.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I can honestly say I would take Groose over the travesty that is Brawl Ganondorf.

Ganondorf is a great villain. It's only his moveset that stinks; give that guy a sword to help him out.

 

[Propeller Toad]

Ganondorf is a great villain. It's only his moveset that stinks; give that guy a sword to help him out.

I agree that a sword would be nice to see in his moveset. However, I do wonder why the developers did not give Ganondorf his sword in Brawl. His page on the Smash Dojo even seems to ridicule him for that in his taunts section (as if the developers purposely left out his sword once again).

 

[Deleted member]

And Recency isn't a factor, Diddy. We've been over this.

And you'll have to keep going over it to no avail, as Diddy has it hardwired into his brain that it does.

No seriously. What you're doing is like arguing with the donkey from Family Guy that says Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footlose.

 

[Metal Overlord]

LOLOLOLO @ Golden

Ganondorf could use a sword and some black magic

 

[Diddy Kong]

Time will tell. And I see y'all hyping every time a new bit of info is released on FE3DS. :/ Also, apperantly Chrome will have a very popular voice actor in Japan, so he's bound to be liked at least for that lololol

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, because hyping over FE13 automatically means hyping over Krom.

Most of the hype rose when "Masked Marth" hit the scene.

 

[Diddy Kong]

All the more reason to keep it with just Marth and Chrome for them don't you think? Not saying that I want that to happen, mind you. I actually WANT Marth, Ike, Roy and Chrome all 4 in... :/

 

[Baskerville]

Yes, because hyping over FE13 automatically means hyping over Krom.

Most of the hype rose when "Masked Marth" hit the scene.

Masked Marth? =o

 

[Metal Overlord]

All the more reason?

I read that **** three times and couldn't find any reasons

 

[Deleted member]

It would be if Sakurai actually goes out of his way to make sure relevancy is intact.

If Roy had not even been considered returning, then I would full on agree that Krom is very likely, Hell, to even replace Ike.
But no. Roy was planned for Brawl, and was cut for time issues.

So while you have this thing on "relevancy", I suppose that means we ain't getting K.Rool, and instead we get Tiki Tong. K. Rool is irrelevant.
Dixie? Also irrelevant. Give us Cranky.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Overall importance in the series would beat relevancy in some cases. DK has a rather fixed cast. Fire Emblem, Zelda and Pokémon (in a way) don't. There lies the difference.

 

[Arcadenik]

Time will tell. And I see y'all hyping every time a new bit of info is released on FE3DS. :/ Also, apperantly Chrome will have a very popular voice actor in Japan, so he's bound to be liked at least for that lololol

That is because they feel threatened by Krom. They fear that Krom might c***block Ike or especially Roy from getting in Smash 4. That is why they hype Krom's game... To check out the competition.

 

[Deleted member]

"Relevancy is important unless it isn't."
"Relevancy should be used for cases I believe in, but not for what I don't believe in."

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That would also make Dixie, R.O.B., Lucario, Mewtwo irrelevant too.

There's a reason why he doesn't specify relevance. Because it's not a good idea whatsoever. Popularity has a lot more bearing on a character choice too. If a character is not popular whatsoever, bringing it in will either annoy people or surprise them.

Sure, popular does not heavily apply to retros(although Game & Watch is a popular series, or was, where Ice Climbers wasn't anything special), but many retros are popular anyway. Pit is sure popular, in fact, all of them are pretty popular. As is every character in all 3 Smashes, discluding Original Character Bosses(as a whole, Master Hand is still quite popular, as is Giga Bowser).

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo has various events, a new TCG set, and Pokemon X Nobunaga's Ambition.

Lucario has B/W as Cynthia's Pokemon.

EDIT: But those mean jack ****. They'll be in Smash due to their popularity as Smash characters, not because they're relevant.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Diddy and Arcade in the same thread at the same time?

Oh dear

 

[Deleted member]

Diddy and Arcade in the same thread at the same time?

Oh dear

It's so bad, they broke the link.

EDIT: I just thought of something. When Sakurai decided to cut Dixie from Diddy, why didn't he make Dixie an AT?
It's not like the DK series had too many of them, I mean, they only had what, ZERO?

 

[Diddy Kong]

King K.Rool and Dixie are much more important to DKC than most other new character choices are to their representing series. Safe for maybe Ridley. And that they are not relevant now doesn't mean they will not re-appear ever again. They certainly will. And just one certain character certainly will not return ever again, thus should be replaced I feel. Be it by a relevant character? All the better.

 

[Bowserlick]

@Bowserlick: Sakurai clarified as a rule that both Links will have the same overall specials. The properties of each one may be different, though, so that's a no-go. Thus, don't expect the Beetle, but the Whip may appear, as both of them use it.

Simply put, near identical items(Clawshot/Hookshot) are still fair game. But yeah.

I did not know that. Even if that is true, the Beetle can still be a boomerang variant. Have it slightly home in on the enemy, lower damage output, but with the ability to pick up solid projectiles like Link's bombs and King DeDeDe's troops to crash into opponents with.

 

[Diddy Kong]

They cut the damn Barrel Cannon from Brawl, and gave us the ****ing Spring... I dunno what that was about, but it's ****ed up.

 

[Bowserlick]

Possible way to fix Zelda/Sheik.

Make Down B a reflector/defensive move for both.

Example for Zelda: Down B would be Nayru's Love. While performing her typical reflector/multi-hitting move from Melee and Brawl she would transform into Sheik (or possibly Impa if you prefer).

This way Zelda can reflect a projectile AND switch into a rush down character to take advantage of turning the tables on the opponent.

Example for Sheik/Impa: Sheik/Impa uses the move from Skyward. A forward punch that makes a circular shock wave force-field in front of her. The move is average speed (making it one of Sheik's slower moves), but negates projectiles and if sweet spotted (the center hitting the enemy) it results in a low knock back, HIGH stun attack.

This allows Sheik to stun an opponent while switching into Zelda, potentially giving Zelda a free hit with one of her powerful attacks.

This way of transformation also frees up a B special for both characters, giving them an extra tool.

 

[LC-DDM]

I think that is the sad part... That they made him even less unique.

I'm sorry, but this is why to me the tourneyfans will always be a hilarious lot to me.

>***** about clones in Melee
>hack Brawl to have MORE clones to give it a Melee-esque feel

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Golden- Ugh... stupid YouTube... anyway, it was a video of that part in Terminator 2 where Sarah has a dream that Judgment Day happens

That is because they feel threatened by Krom. They fear that Krom might c***block Ike or especially Roy from getting in Smash 4. That is why they hype Krom's game... To check out the competition.

K but u wrong doe

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I did not know that. Even if that is true, the Beetle can still be a boomerang variant. Have it slightly home in on the enemy, lower damage output, but with the ability to pick up solid projectiles like Link's bombs and King DeDeDe's troops to crash into opponents with.

It is. He specified "generally they have the same moves". Mind you, he could change his mind, but as of now, he's more likely to just keep the Boomerang since it still appears in the Zelda games. A few games without it doesn't make it less iconic, anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

On a minor music discussion, how about that Wario victory, huh?

Think it should be changed to the actual stage clear from Wario Land: Shake It or the boss defeated jingle from Wario Land: Shake It?
I personally don't. That victory theme is the bane of one of my friends' existance.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Possible way to fix Zelda/Sheik.

Make Down B a reflector/defensive move for both.

Example for Zelda: Down B would be Nayru's Love. While performing her typical reflector/multi-hitting move from Melee and Brawl she would transform into Sheik (or possibly Impa if you prefer).

This way Zelda can reflect a projectile AND switch into a rush down character to take advantage of turning the tables on the opponent.

Example for Sheik/Impa: Sheik/Impa uses the move from Skyward. A forward punch that makes a circular shock wave force-field in front of her. The move is average speed (making it one of Sheik's slower moves), but negates projectiles and if sweet spotted (the center hitting the enemy) it results in a low knock back, HIGH stun attack.

This allows Sheik to stun an opponent while switching into Zelda, potentially giving Zelda a free hit with one of her powerful attacks.

This way of transformation also frees up a B special for both characters, giving them an extra tool.

Wouldn't work for a transforming character as Sheik, as transformation is the only way to tag between them. But for Impa, it's perfectly viable.

 

[LC-DDM]

Nah. Or maybe its just my hidden rage against Project M. I just simply don't like it. =P

EDIT: @Kuma ALL fighters should take lessons from SC5's customization. Just sayin'

Yes, provided the rest of the game feels just as complete and not a rush job.

On a minor music discussion, how about that Wario victory, huh?

Think it should be changed to the actual stage clear from Wario Land: Shake It or the boss defeated jingle from Wario Land: Shake It?
I personally don't. That victory theme is the bane of one of my friends' existance.

I'd say maybe use Wario World's level finish theme.