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I've been thinking about it, and I feel like the chance of seeing Wuhu Island as a stage in some form is extremely likely. I mean, it's even appeared in Mario Kart 7. Anybody have any idea how a Wuhu Island stage would work? Perhaps like Delfino Plaza?
Here is one idea. -> http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13000436&postcount=37

Also, here is my list of stages I know 100% are going to happen. The only reason I am so confident is because I see how Sakurai selects stages and these areas fit that criteria.

WuHu Island (Wii Sports ~ Pilotwings Resort
Starship Mario (Super Mario Galaxy 2)
Geothermal Power Plant (Metroid: Other M)
Sunset Shores (Donkey Kong Country Returns)
Fountain Gardens (Kirby's Epic Yarn)
Skyloft (Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Gaur Plains (Xenoblade)
 

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FINALLY SOMEONE SEES IT! He has a score to settle with everyone on the battlefield, I know where he'd like to shove that pickaxe of his
But despite my numerous troll faces, there might actually be a chance that it could happen.

If you're wondering how, remember Melee's trophy for Pit? The last sentence in the description says, "Will Pit ever fight again?" Then what do you know, Brawl(and soon Uprising) came out, and Pit fights again!

Creepy, isn't it?
 

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Here is one idea. -> http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13000436&postcount=37

Also, here is my list of stages I know 100% are going to happen. The only reason I am so confident is because I see how Sakurai selects stages and these areas fit that criteria.

WuHu Island (Wii Sports ~ Pilotwings Resort
Starship Mario (Super Mario Galaxy 2)
Geothermal Power Plant (Metroid: Other M)
Sunset Shores (Donkey Kong Country Returns)
Fountain Gardens (Kirby's Epic Yarn)
Skyloft (Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Gaur Plains (Xenoblade)
Y'know, those would be stages I can see in the next Smash. Seeing as Xenoblade's coming to the U.S., it would be criminal for Nintendo not to give it rep in Sm4sh.
 

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I have been doing an SSB4 Wii U tier list fpor the last week and i am done.
(Note some will include stuff from ssbwiki.com).

Note Number 2: A general greatness for all characters, due to having hitstun equal to Melee's/

Stier
1. Fox
The Melee favorite is back at god tier. Fox is most notorious for his speed. He has several infinite combos and generally powerful vertical killers in up aerial and up smash. His bair and fair are good edge guard moves and his hair is vicious against shields. he has a low short hop and a fast falling speed, giving possibly the best shffl in the game. His fast falling speed makes him resistant to vertical KOs. However he has a slow, predictable recovery that's only average. He is also a lightweight fast faller, making him prone to chain grabs and easy to KO horizontally. His pros outshine his cons, however, and Fox is notable for being one of only four characters in all of the Smash games to have no disadvantageous match ups. Fox has two even match ups, one vs. Mewtwo and the other vs. Ryu Hayabusa.


2 Snake
Snake is the third heaviest character in the game. He has two small nrfss. The disjointedness of his up tilt is decreased by a tiny bit and his uncharged mortar has slightly less range. Other thne that, a brawl restoration.

3 Diddy Kong
Brawl restoration

4 Sheik
Her comboing prowess is restored from Melee. Her up air, front air and fair are strong aerial KO moves. The fair is a semi spike, and one of the most feared. She has a good SHFFL, and a powerful up smash. Her Vanish can be used for mind games and can even be used as a KO move at high percents she she first disappears.
Her problems are a REALLY SUCKY recovery and a fast falling speed.
 

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I am wondering where this new guy came from. I am so curious because I have not ever seen anyone post like this before. I am so in the wondering.
 
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@Starphoenix: Not sure why you're so confident on Guar Plain getting a stage.

Also, that idea works, but I'm also thinking perhaps it can transport you to various sports such as sword fighting and wave racing.
 

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A Tier
5 Mewtwo
Mewtwo received a huge buff. His throws are still KO moves but all 3 of smashes Ko under 115%. His fair can KO at 100% vertically. Has a much faster dash speed. However, is tilts are weaker. He is heavier and still retains the jumping prowess, moonwalk, wavedash and L-Cancel.
His main problems are his low traction, vulnerability to chain grabs, and slightly shorter recovery in teleport.
 

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Krystal
Ridley
Megaman
Slime
Doctor Mario
Kamek

Give me your PERSONAL OPINION, if you think they will be in ssb4, and why you think they will/deserve or won't/are undeserving to be there. *waits*
 

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Krystal
Ridley
Megaman
Slime
Doctor Mario
Kamek

Give me your PERSONAL OPINION, if you think they will be in ssb4, and why you think they will/deserve or won't/are undeserving to be there. *waits*
Ridley -Deserving
krystal-Undeserving
dr.Mario-UNDESERVING
Kamek-UNDERSERVING
Megaman-DESERVING
Slime-NEUTRAL

Doc, Kamek, and Krystal suck ingeneral. Ridley has high demand and would be an awesome antagonist. Mefgaman is cool because of Moveset potential.
 
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He was asking for high heels' opinion. Not your's, vcreate.

Why are you making some tier list all of a sudden. It's way to early to just make one with out even knowing the physics of the game. Well... you can say the same to moveset revamps and gameplay suggestions but tier lists? Seriously?
 

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Krystal
Ridley
Megaman
Slime
Doctor Mario
Kamek

Give me your PERSONAL OPINION, if you think they will be in ssb4, and why you think they will/deserve or won't/are undeserving to be there. *waits*
Ah, I have never doubted your ability to be... clever? =P I will do my best to give my... *looks over and hits the caps lock* PERSONAL OPINION.

Krystal: 6/10. She isn't as wanted as she was during the Brawl age, and it is true the Starfox series gets less lovin' then most, but I give her some slack because she does have potential for fighting and is the obvious choice from the SF series if one were to go in, and a plus is the male to female ratio evens a margin.

Ridley: 7/10. Clearly wanted to no end. Whether ending up as a boss in Brawl (and dropped as an Assist Trophy, hackers say) benefits or actually hurts his chances, I do not know, so I give a rather modest score considering his demand, and the lack of representatives for Metroid, and once again here he is the obvious Metroid choice for people, and a plus he is a villian.

Megaman: 6/10. This is a tough one, since 3rd party is a tough topic. Megaman is desired, the owners of his rights have expressed interest, a 3rd party was supposedly dropped for Brawl due to legality issues, Megaman's not-so-much representation in video games lately as opposed to back in the day, etc. A lot to work with. But there is a fair demand, and very clear potential, hard to argue he wouldn't fit, no? He is more likely than say Amaterasu, so Capcom clear choice would probably be him (that is an objective stance, I honestly love the wolf).

Slime: 0/10. No. 3rd party, no potential for mechanics or capability, almost no demand, almost no representation, and that diminishes among not only the other third parties that could be taken, but the others that Square could offer (Sora, Geno, etc.). Would be a fun AT though, wouldn't you agree?

Doctor Mario: 7/10 (to appear in some fashion, either as character or costume). Character more likely, for apparently he was in the Forbidden Seven (though that may actually hurt his chances if he was dropped in the end?), there is minor demand, would be a small workload to include. On a personal level I'd prefer costume, and leave room for either/both Toad and Paper Mario, both with more demand, especially the former.

Kamek: 0/10. Few characters would warrant a zero from me, since I like to take all thinks into account, but this will not be. Almost zero demand, less than Slime up there, Mario rep who pales even to the Doc. The only thing Kamek has is moveset potential, but that means little. stand alone.
 

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YEP. Watch me bluff with my muff, and stun with my love glue gun. Let's win a lovegame. Rush you down until you love me, Pa pa Paparazzi. Just taunt. Gonna troll Ok? Stop stallin' stop stallin' I don't wanna wait anymore, I'll take your bait and get beat on the dancefloor. You and me could do a bad dash dance. D Smash, forward A, Alejandro. Im gonna perry the night.
It's pArry, not perry.

Can't beat my, can't beat my, no they can't beat my footsies game.
 

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It's pArry, not perry.

Can't beat my, can't beat my, no they can't beat my footsies game.
You don't know how badly it hurt to stop there.

ALSO, what should I do to HELP her moveset?
 

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Smash needs more western characters

Edit: Or Olivia Wilde
 

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You don't know how badly it hurt to stop there.

ALSO, what should I do to HELP her moveset?
Well, I might go look at the moveset some more later, but here are some suggestions. Think of a general playstyle for her and make a moveset that satisfies that. Make it where the moves don't leave her with too few options or too many. Make sure she has strategic depth to her game. One thing that can kill a character's metagame is if they're one dimensional.
 

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Edit: and Olivia Wilde
 

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All I got to see was her naked backside, but she's got a damn fine nice backside

Referring to my previous comment

I thought there was that armadillo guy. He looked nice
 

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Wait, my turn.

Holder of Heels, before I go any further be ready to defend any of your points as this is a forum any opinion is subject to be disagreed with and/or debated againt.

So my questions to you are,

1) Do you really think Slime is a 0 out of 10? Do you really have a grasp on his status in his respective series and that series relations to Nintendo?

2) What do you look for in Smash? Characters? Gameplay? Extras?

3) If you could improve the gameplay what would you add/reomve?

4) It's cutting time because this new character is going need room to be added? Who do you cut and why?

5) (This one I won't really care how you answer) Are you competitive or a casual?

Hmmm....that's it for now.
 

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Krystal
Ridley
Megaman
Slime
Doctor Mario
Kamek

Give me your PERSONAL OPINION, if you think they will be in ssb4, and why you think they will/deserve or won't/are undeserving to be there. *waits*
Sorry but that's imo a terrible list. Slime and Megaman might be good 3rd party chars, but are still a fair shot away from being likely to appear. Kamek is not making it cause he's rather unimportant. Krystal, while being the best left out character for a StarFox rep is still unlikely cause we already have 3 SF chars and a newcomer is not a priority at all. Dr.Mario is a terrible idea for a playable character other than a costume for Mario. The only character I find truely deserving is Ridley.


I'd think it would be cool if they added Krystal though, but I also think it's unlikely to happen. Unless of coarse she re-appears soon.
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Wow. Lots of people expressed their opinions when Shortie was just asking for Heel's only. Maybe I'll share mine

Krystal - I'm kinda iffy on her but she'd probably be the 4th Star Fox rep.....
Or Slippy
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Ridley - Awesome

Megaman - I'm also iffy on him because of ****ing Capcom. I still like how they troll the fans though.

Slime - One of those deserving candidates but still iffy due to being a 3rd party

Doctor Mario - No

Kamek - Awesome but no
I was exactly thinking that Kuma! Played some Playstation fighters with friends, and especially Steve from Tekken and Balrog from Street Fighter stood out. Jab jab liverpunch, that should be Mac's moveset. He would probably be a good character for beginners also, with simple but effective combos.

Never played Punch Out though, but I would seriously doubt if they couldn't make a moveset for Little Mac. I also see him as the most probable new comer.

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Iron fist (Remove the kicks) and Steve. That is all.
 

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@Starphoenix: Not sure why you're so confident on Guar Plain getting a stage.
The stage would offer something unique and comes from a game that is highly supported by Nintendo's fanbase. It fits the kind of MO Sakurai has for selecting stages. I should say I also wated to say A Rhythm Heaven stage might be a sure thing too, but I do not know just yet.

I find it funny how everyone is responding to Shorts comment when it is specifically addressed to Holder of Heels. I agree with him for the most part, but I disagree with him on one point.
 

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They pretty much spoiled the fact that Slippy was gonna be in the next game in Snake's codec convo with him.

U mad, Krystal fans?

Slippy>Krystal

And wasn't Slippy the tritagonist anyways?

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They pretty much spoiled the fact that Slippy was gonna be in the next game in Snake's codec convo with him.

U mad, Krystal fans?

Slippy>Krystal

And wasn't Slippy the tritagonist anyways?

:phone:
But it was stated in a conversation on the Lylat stage that out of all of the unused choices, Krystal was by far the best. This could mean that Sakurai has already given an opinion on her and saw her in a positive light. While a Star Fox rep is iffy, if any is getting in, it is Krystal.
 

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He wasn't being rash. He was expressing his distaste in the name change.

I got to play King of Fighters XIII last night. Expect me to make more comparisons to that game, mechanics wise, over SF4. It's just a flat out amazing game, even with it's super strict canceling timings. It took me a while just to get Mai and Yuri's trials first trial done.
 

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They pretty much spoiled the fact that Slippy was gonna be in the next game in Snake's codec convo with him.

U mad, Krystal fans?

Slippy>Krystal

And wasn't Slippy the tritagonist anyways?

:phone:
Slippy would be a rather odd fighter if he made it in. But he is the best Landmaster user in Star Fox Assault.
 

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He was asking for high heels' opinion. Not your's, vcreate.

Why are you making some tier list all of a sudden. It's way to early to just make one with out even knowing the physics of the game. Well... you can say the same to moveset revamps and gameplay suggestions but tier lists? Seriously?
Well personally I prefer the air... No.

Really I would like SSB4 to combine the best of Melee (its many techniques) and Brawl (its many techniques), and add some brand new ones. The reason for a tier list is to see which characters should thrive. And although Fox is first, he has two EVEN match ups.
 
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