New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Big-Cat]

Balrog, Steve, Dudley, Vanessa, *insert fg boxer* should provide enough references for a Little Mac moveset.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Music suggestion time:

Viewtiful Joe:

Henshin A Go-Go Baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaJH9pajF6s&feature=related

Viewtiful Joe's Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PLEPD_tOc&feature=related

Some Like It Red Hot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbcvbwrST8&feature=related

My life would be complete if this guy got into Smash

 

[Diddy Kong]

I was exactly thinking that Kuma! Played some Playstation fighters with friends, and especially Steve from Tekken and Balrog from Street Fighter stood out. Jab jab liverpunch, that should be Mac's moveset. He would probably be a good character for beginners also, with simple but effective combos.

Never played Punch Out though, but I would seriously doubt if they couldn't make a moveset for Little Mac. I also see him as the most probable new comer.

 

[Big-Cat]

I have a few questions for you guys, and I want your honest answers.

Can you memorize this phone number (it's made up btw): 14378826739

When you think simplicity, what comes to mind?

Where do you think execution should come into play?

What do you think is the best way to introduce players to Smash that doesn't affect veteran players?

Do you think DI should be on every move or should it vary from character to character?

Do you like combos? If so, do you prefer the combos short and sweet or long and humiliating?

Are you ok with having combos where if the conditions are right, you lose a life from a mistake?

Do you believe there is more skill in doing long combos or getting plenty of damage off of resets and mixups? Do you think it depends?

 

[Diddy Kong]

It should work with the flow with the game man. I like long combos and short ones equally personally, but it should work with a good enough defense system to counter and have enough speed in the game to turn the ties around.

I personally played a lot of Melee with Donkey Kong, and ended up fighting a very good Ganondorf often. Lots of grabs and juggling combos, enjoyed them a lot whenever I could do them but lost a lot cause he was plain better.

Main Diddy in Brawl and I love how he plays, even without bananas. Love how you can so easily do a dash attack into a Usmash and follow up in the air. But a lot about Diddy is quite broken, so I don't play him much against friends but I do love his options.

And I think that's what its about. Healthy differsity with good balance. Keep the options most of the high tier characters have, but keep it with some balance.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I listened for some Mario & Sonic 2012-music.


Rail Lift from Yoshi's Story (Dream Long Jump) is so magical and diabetes-happyyyyyyyyy

Boss Battle from Sunshine--- It's so crazy. So powerful. So terror-filled!!! It's like from a symphonic suite!!!

I want SSB4's sound team do something their songs like this. Really.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Never played Punch Out though, but I would seriously doubt if they couldn't make a moveset for Little Mac. I also see him as the most probable new comer.

If Little Mac does manage to get in, an Event Match where he faces Donkey Kong would be an interesting plot.

Just in case you don't know, in Wii Punch-Out!!, Donkey Kong is a bonus opponent in Mac's Last Stand.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah I knew about it, even saw a video about it. And I'd like if it would be the other way around

 

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

Do you think Crono from Crono Trigger has a chance to appear as 3rd party rep?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Do you think Crono from Crono Trigger has a chance to appear as 3rd party rep?

Someone from Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest would be a better representative. Slime would be one thought; if it can play sports, what's stopping it from fighting?

 

[Shorts]

Black Mage is.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Is Dragon Quest any thing good? What kind of game is it?

Also, what sup wit that chart Oasis made??

 

[Oasis_S]

Oh, whoops. That wasn't mine.

Just happened to find a graph of the SSE's plot.

It looked very convoluted.

 

[Deleted member]

Do you think Crono from Crono Trigger has a chance to appear as 3rd party rep?

I would love for him to get in. However, he has almost no shot.

 

[---]

I've been busy what are we discussing?


Off Topic:

My little brother just got SS. Too bad he ignored me when I told him, several times, that our Wii is broken. I don't know if I should feel sorry for him or make fun of him. lol

I just looked at my DS Pokemon collection. I have SO many event Pokemon it's not even funny, okay maybe a little. I also got the Event Victini.

 

[Gallowglass]

Do you think Crono from Crono Trigger has a chance to appear as 3rd party rep?

I think he would be awesome in Smash but I doubt it. Looking at how Square doest things they would probably add some Final Fantasy character. Based off of how Sakurai deals non-connecting series like Fire Emblem he will most likely add a character from Final Fantasy 1 (e.g. Black Mage). Personally I would rather not see any 3rd parties but if it's going to happen I would predict that would be the case.

Also that avatar is pretty awesome I must say. I'm not a fan of MLP but seeing a Gigayus Pony is rather epic.

 

[Shorts]

IF you got to pick the big five inclusions, who would you choose?

I think, the SMARTEST way it should have gone down was:

SEGA: Sonic
Capcom: Megaman
Square: Black Mage
Namco: Pac Man
Konami: Bomberman

Those are IMO, the FIVE BEST characters to choose from each Company for a Nintendo crossover. Black Mage, Bomberman, Pac Man, and Sonic have ties with Nintendo series already, and Megaman is a major Icon. OF COURSE, they all are pretty big icons, with importance in gaming history as well.

I THINK for AT's:

SEGA: Shadow, NiGHTS
Capcom: Ryu, Jill Valentine
Square: Slime, Sora/Crono
Namco: Ghosts, Nightmare
Konami: Snake, Simon Belmont

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why Bomberman over Snake? I'd keep Snake

 

[Deleted member]

Konami: Bomberman
Sega: Sonic
Capcom: Mega Man
Square Enix: Slime
Namco: Pac-Man

Assist Trophy:
Konami: Snake, Simon Belmont
Sega: Tails, NiGHTS
Capcom: Ryu, Jill Valentine
Square Enix: Black Mage, Crono
Namco, Klonoa, Nightmare.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm fine with characters like Tails as Assist Trophies, but main characters like Ryu? Hell naw, that don't make a bit of sense

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Konami should keep Snake. He already is more unique and isn't nothing but explosives, while still keeping well within his character. Other than that, agreed. Ryu as an Assist would be awesome.

 

[Oasis_S]

Snake is also not an... old forgotten hack.

 

[Shorts]

Why Bomberman over Snake? I'd keep Snake

Snake is actually, not a good choice. This was the IDEAL roster, and he has like, very little HISTORY with Ninty, unlike Bomberman.

Konami: Bomberman
Sega: Sonic
Capcom: Mega Man
Square Enix: Slime
Namco: Pac-Man

Assist Trophy:
Konami: Snake, Simon Belmont
Sega: Tails, NiGHTS
Capcom: Ryu, Jill Valentine
Square Enix: Black Mage, Crono
Namco, Klonoa, Nightmare.

AWH YES. I forgot about Klonoa.

I'm fine with characters like Tails as Assist Trophies, but main characters like Ryu? Hell naw, that don't make a bit of sense

Well, if Megaman is playable, then he either is an AT, or NOTHING at all.

 

[y.toonlink]

Main characters as ATs kinda represent the company rather than the series, so it depends on how they wanna rep themselves. It's like what Shortie said a while back.

The series of the playable 3rd party can still have stage cameos, active or just background.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Call me hypocritical but I want Snake above Bomberman cause Snake was in Brawl. Who knows, Metal Gear might come to WiiU.

 

[Metal Overlord]

People seem to really not know that having Ryu as an Assist Trophy is a bad idea, so Imma break it down to y'all:

1. That is guaranteed to piss off the people that wanted Ryu in as a playable character. I know I said before that you can't please everyone so there isn't any point in attempting to, but this doesn't mean that you can just deliberately make decisions to piss people off.

"I just found that Viewtiful Joe's theme is in Smash! Can't wait to beast with him onli-... wait, WHAT?! He's just an Assist Trophy?!"

2. Why put in one third-party character and then turn around and represent an entirely different series from the company by making the main character an unplayable aid to the main fighters? Last I checked, most of the trouble and legal issues of putting a third-party in the game are from just including the content in the game, not from making the game. Why go through all that trouble just to make them an AT that, in actuality, they probably won't even see all that often since AT's that appear are chosen at random and not by the player. If you're gonna include a third-party as an AT, at least make them from the same series as the playable third-party character (for example, when Shadow got in as an AT alongside Sonic as a PC in Brawl).

3. Why make a main character an AT in the first place? An AT's purpose is to aid the player who obtained it, right? How would a main character of a series even fit as an AT? And I know people are gonna be like, "Well, Saki and Little Mac made it in as AT's in Brawl and they're main characters! So what's the problem here?" Well, you know what? I don't even agree with that. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I personally think it's just a waste to have a character like Ryu or Saki as an AT and not playable, whether they be a guest character or a first-party character. It makes a lot more sense to have a character like Tails playable, because they serve almost the same purpose as an AT in a way. But Ryu? Nah son.

/rant

@Goku- Well, I've always felt that third parties should be represented according to their series, not just by their company. But what do I know, I'm just a crackhead

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People seem to really not know that having Ryu as an Assist Trophy is a bad idea, so Imma break it down to y'all:

1. That is guaranteed to piss off the people that wanted Ryu in as a playable character. I know I said before that you can't please everyone so there isn't any point in attempting to, but this doesn't mean that you can just deliberately make decisions to piss people off.

"I just found that Viewtiful Joe's theme is in Smash! Can't wait to beast with him onli-... wait, WHAT?! He's just an Assist Trophy?!"

Because Ryu is playable in a buttload of games and didn't get a similar treatment to MegaMan. This actually would do just that to him. Not like he's interesting anymore either. Likewise, MegaMan has more to bring to the table anyway.

2. Why put in one third-party character and then turn around and represent an entirely different series from the company by making the main character an unplayable aid to the main fighters? Last I checked, most of the trouble and legal issues of putting a third-party in the game are from just including the content in the game, not from making the game. Why go through all that trouble just to make them an AT that, in actuality, they probably won't even see all that often since AT's that appear are chosen at random and not by the player. If you're gonna include a third-party as an AT, at least make them from the same series as the playable third-party character (for example, when Shadow got in as an AT alongside Sonic as a PC in Brawl).

Isaac from Golden Sun. And many Assist Trophies did JUST that. It's not a big deal.

3. Why make a main character an AT in the first place? An AT's purpose is to aid the player who obtained, right? How would a main character of a series even fit as an AT? And I know people are gonna be like, "Well, Saki and Little Mac made it in as AT's in Brawl and they're main characters! So what's the problem here?" Well, you know what? I don't even agree with that. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I personally think it's just a waste to have a character like Ryu or Saki as an AT and not playable, whether they be a guest character or a first-party character. It makes a lot more sense to have a character like Tails playable, because they serve almost the same purpose as an AT in a way. But Ryu? Nah son.

Again, Isaac got that treatment. Ryu would be no different. The fact of the matter is, it was done, and can be done again. Ryu should not be playable over MegaMan either. An AT allows him to do his famous moves anyway. Not to mention, there's already two playable Shoto Clones in Smash, so I don't find him needed either.

I'd rather have MegaMan in over Ryu. I don't honestly care about Ryu's fate either. As long as it's not playable, I'm good with it.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Because Ryu is playable in a buttload of games and didn't get a similar treatment to MegaMan. This actually would do just that to him. Not like he's interesting anymore either. Likewise, MegaMan has more to bring to the table anyway.



Isaac from Golden Sun. And many Assist Trophies did JUST that. It's not a big deal.



Again, Isaac got that treatment. Ryu would be no different. The fact of the matter is, it was done, and can be done again. Ryu should not be playable over MegaMan either. An AT allows him to do his famous moves anyway. Not to mention, there's already two playable Shoto Clones in Smash, so I don't find him needed either.

I'd rather have MegaMan in over Ryu. I don't honestly care about Ryu's fate either. As long as it's not playable, I'm good with it.

What's Mega Man got to do with anything? I'm just talking about third parties in general

I don't even want Ryu playable, I don't even like or play Street Fighter, I'm just saiyan that I don't like the idea of Ryu or any main third-party character being an AT, it just seems like such a tease to me

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What's Mega Man got to do with anything? I'm just talking about third parties in general

I don't even want Ryu playable, I don't even like or play Street Fighter, I'm just saiyan that I don't like the idea of Ryu or any main third-party character being an AT, it just seems like such a tease to me

What's wrong with teases altogether? And the point is that they're Capcom AT. If MegaMan is playable, they would get the AT status so other series can have cameos along with him. I like this because it means other series gets mentions.

 

[yani_]

Characters:
Sega: Sonic
Capcom: Megaman
Square: Not too sure. I guess I'll just go with Black Mage
Namco: Pac Man
Konami: Snake


AT's
Sega: Shadow/NiGHTS
Capcom: Zero
Square: Slime, Chocobo
Namco: Ghosts, Ms. Pac man
Konami: Frogger

 

[Metal Overlord]

What's wrong with teases altogether? And the point is that they're Capcom AT. If MegaMan is playable, they would get the AT status so other series can have cameos along with him. I like this because it means other series gets mentions.

I guess this is a "colors/favorites, colours/favourites" sort of thing, because I don't view them as "Capcom AT", I view them by individual series
I don't really care for teases altogether, if a series isn't represented, then it just isn't. It doesn't really phase me one way or the other, I'm not desperate to get any third party series mentioned in the game, not even Viewtiful Joe

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I guess this is a "colors/favorites, colours/favourites" sort of thing, because I don't view them as "Capcom AT", I view them by individual series
I don't really care for teases altogether, if a series isn't represented, then it just isn't, it doesn't really phase me one way or the other, I'm not desperate to get any third party series mentioned in the game, not even Viewtiful Joe

Actually, that's what they'd be. They still represent their series regardless. Unless you mean Series as playable specifically. I get where you're coming from, but Sonic was there as both his own series and to rep Sega. Same with Snake, Metal Gear (Solid), and Konami. They repped both their companies and their series. This is different from second-party and first-party, as they aren't third parties which require specific money. It's a different scenario, basically. The company thing is considered more important because they have to pay extra money to use that character, as well as approach them specifically.

As I said, I do get what you mean, though.

 

[Shorts]

Call me hypocritical but I want Snake above Bomberman cause Snake was in Brawl. Who knows, Metal Gear might come to WiiU.

Hey, read.

@Metal, that's silly.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah I know of the history of Bomberman with Nintendo, but I don't think that that should say much. I know you said it'd be the ideal choice for a Konami char, but why would Sakurai ask Konami for Bomberman, if Konami asked Sakurai for Snake?

Also, since today I hope that if Mewtwo returns he gets Lucario-like hitboxes.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Actually, that's what they'd be. They still represent their series regardless. Unless you mean Series as playable specifically. I get where you're coming from, but Sonic was there as both his own series and to rep Sega. Same with Snake, Metal Gear (Solid), and Konami. They repped both their companies and their series. This is different from second-party and first-party, as they aren't third parties which require specific money. It's a different scenario, basically. The company thing is considered more important because they have to pay extra money to use that character, as well as approach them specifically.

As I said, I do get what you mean, though.

I guess you're right, and since you get what I mean, at least I don't sound like a crackhead

Anywho, I don't think I've ever seen this suggested before, but what about a tag team feature a la Mortal Kombat/Street Fighter x Tekken?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Feature like that is ok.

Imagine my face when I expected that to happen in Melee cause a friend played it before me and told me such a feature was already in. Along with being able to destroy the stage. Hint: I wanted to punch him.

 

[Oasis_S]

Was he thinking of TEAM BATTLE and... I dunno. Brinstar?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Diddy Kong, man, you're avatar makes me lol.

/Talking of Snake, I'm bit saddened though that Smash Bros won't ever feature characters like Vic Viper, Simon Belmont, Goemon... It's just all about MGS when ya have to representate Konami. /

 

[Opelucid]

Not that it's really important but Keldeo is going to be revealed soon probably in 2012 a new Pokemon movie got revealed Kyurem VS The Sacred Swordsmen he doesn't really have much of a shot but I wonder if this movie is going to raise his chances.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No, he clearly said tag team like there was in Tekken. He also told me that there was a stage where Diddy was a sort of stage hazard. That guy is seriously still one of the biggest irl trolls I know.