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[Iamafalco]

Hey I heard about these boards and I also heard that people can help you ect. So basically I have been playing smash since I got it 10 years ago. and you know when you just stop completely playing for like a year and just come back to the GC well that happened to me several times. Now I cant wave dash i cant L cancel . L cancel seems to be hardest for me. Please help on this. (Im a falco.) I can dash dance pretty easily I can short hop and fast fall i just cant l cancel the short hop FF basically I cant SHFFL. I do nice dair combos but I always do a (fair) front arial. Instead of a nair.!!!! Im so idiotic. Hmm I suck at shining/shielding the b DOWN MOVE I just cant incorporate it into my combos. Also Utilts are very hard for me What is the most important to practice first. and how do i practice it . In training mode or in a actual game. Oh another thing. I used to say man im pro at SSBM becasue i could roll dodge real quickly. Isn't that the noobest thing?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Don't FF just L-cancel then relearn to FF with it.

there's no easy trick to learn L-canceling really. also dair shine isn't easy to get down you have to train your fingers to be fast. also don't get into debates about pichu with me it'll ruin threads.
falco takes a bit of time to get down once you do ghe's super easy to play as.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Can you short hop laser? That's how I started when I was in your shoes 2 years ago. Just like, an hour a day for a week, I would go into practice mode and keep trying to short hop laser over and over. Going from short hop laser to shffl is pretty easy, and short hop laser is a little easier, so start with that. good luck!

 

[Iamafalco]

Yeah short hop laser is perfectly down. I just cant short hop losaer forward . Like in some videos I seem them wavedash short hop laser like thats ****ing sick man i cant do that

 

[Kason Birdman]

lol I like you.. your a nice guy.

welcome to the Falco boards.

if you're having trouble incorparating shine into your comboes then at this point when your going to try a combo, if they're on the ground, you want them in the air. If they are in the air, you want them on the ground. just go against a level 1 and shine him up -> dair -> repeat.

then new more complex shine comboes and such will just come naturally after you do that for a long time.

 

[G.L.]

practice vs lv 1 fox on fd until you can kinda combo him and watch mango play falco. that will make you like 10X better once you have solid techskill

 

[Iamafalco]

AHAHA thanks Kason I have read some of your other posts and you seem to know what you are talking about . so thats cool. Thx guys keep it coming . and the lvl 1 fox idea is great thanks. but my brother plays mario hes so annoying with his blanket and whenever I dtilt or dair with a short jump I dont l cancel so he like ***** me.

 

[Iamafalco]

Hmm basically I tried the lvl 1 fox thing at least 4-5 times and I always have the habit of Dtilt And never Utilt. UTILT IS SO HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also Dtilt instead of shine is there a way to like lose the habit??!?

 

[Metal Reeper]

Just practice what you can't do and overtime you will get it. learn to L cancel, SHL perfectly back and forward. waveshine, shingrab, shine OoS, then your pro.

 

[Iamafalco]

I can Shine OoS but not in a battle situation. Shinegrab how do we do that?? I cant waveshine if I cant wave dash its so hard I always click to quick or to slow. I sometimes do wavedash but ahh Man this game is to hard. Lcancel is probably my biggest focus right now.

 

[TheDekuNut]

you're right, l-canceling is a fundamental skill that you must master to be good, especially with Falco. i'm impressed that you can Shine OoS before you got down wavedashing. and grabbing out of shine is easy. when i do it i shine then i press up+z sort of as if it was a smash attack. you need to be able to move the joystick for down to up very quickly (the way i do it without x/y. what happens is you cancel the shine with a jump and then cancel the jump with a grab. you can cancel a jump with 1. a grab 2. an upsmash and 3. another shine. And for approaching lasers in order to get the most distance you'll want to hold the joystick in one direction short hop with x/y and then let go of the joystick and press b to laser. i always like to give falco tech skill advice.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Yeah im also suprised that you can shine OoS I just started to use that.
How I shinegrab is I shine, then i hit control stick up and Z at the same time. At the same exact time i can't move my control stick up I hit Z, it's really easy.

 

[Kason Birdman]

When I shine grab i just shine then hit jump then grab befor i leave the ground. I do it that way because thats how im used to jump cancel grabbing, that way I dont have to learn too many different variations of grabbing and I use the same buttons.

 

[Iamafalco]

Shine OoS is easy ahah why are you surprised. Wavedashing you need yto be so precise. And I just dont find wavedashing usefull for falco (groundwise) when it comes to Wavelanding and waveshining it becomes important but Man **** THIS GAME TBH ahha like half the **** yu guys said like tech skil variations ect wtf is this. I was like roll dodge U get owned motha ****as :D . and shine OoS is easy You shield Then Up with c stick or Short hop y but easier with c stick
then B down. wavedash is like continuous Y+l+joystick direction. It annoys me. I do see myself improving after watching mango alot ALOTTTTTTTTT. hmm other then that Ive been getting better with the dair combos and the shining is cvoming along. I just cant SHFFL Shine yet i would love to **** my brother with that. oh goddd

 

[Moxin]

Well there's a specific timing for every waveland, just go to the various stages and waveland all of the platforms to find the timing coming from the ground or another platform -> the top platform. For shine wavelanding/ waveshining I just push the control stick down and in the direction I'm waveshining or whatever and just waveshine like that... falco has a kind of weird wavedash timing compared to other top tiers, but once you get it down it's pretty easy.

Also practicing your L-cancels with link has been brought up before and has helped some people, I never tried it so I don't know if it's good or not but it's worth trying it if you're having problems.

 

[Kason Birdman]

Shine OoS is easy ahah why are you surprised. Wavedashing you need yto be so precise. And I just dont find wavedashing usefull for falco (groundwise) when it comes to Wavelanding and waveshining it becomes important but Man **** THIS GAME TBH ahha like half the **** yu guys said like tech skil variations ect wtf is this. I was like roll dodge U get owned motha ****as :D . and shine OoS is easy You shield Then Up with c stick or Short hop y but easier with c stick
then B down. wavedash is like continuous Y+l+joystick direction. It annoys me. I do see myself improving after watching mango alot ALOTTTTTTTTT. hmm other then that Ive been getting better with the dair combos and the shining is cvoming along. I just cant SHFFL Shine yet i would love to **** my brother with that. oh goddd

yeah it took me a while to understand the usefulness of a wavedash with falco if your not shining or wavelanding, and even after I did its options are still more limited than waveshining or wavelanding with him.

 

[Iamafalco]

Yeah I mean Sometimes mango uses it to kinda of catc hthe opponent off guard on the ledge. (ex.)He NAirs a fox and the fox B up's onto the ledge. Then MANGO WAVE dashes backward right when he gets up and smashes it's kind of a feint. It's really cool

 

[Kason Birdman]

Yeah and a lot of people use it when someone is in their sheild.
Stand infront of their sheild than wavedash back will most of the time mindgame people into coming out (and hopefully towards you) then out of wavedash you can fsmash them in the face.. one sec lemme find it somewhere..

i think its in like.. happy feet 4 or something..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7DHr7C_U8A#t=2m03s

 

[Metal Reeper]

Waveshining with Falco is too good, especially on fox and falcon.

 

[Iamafalco]

Omg waveshining looks OP

 

[dinopawnz]

lol i just mastered waveshining..its sooo fun but i think its slightly more useful for fox than falco. Although i do see shiz waveshine quite a bit and it helps him set up for a number of combos and its quite mindgames.

 

[Iamafalco]

I now play 60% as good as shiz does. whatttuppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

 

[Veetaak]

haha, Did not know about this amazing thread

 

[mbl1714]

Hey I'm in the EXACT same situation as you are. This is my thread if you want to check it out I got some good feedback http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=313868

 

[Jasou]

Waveshining with Falco is too good, especially on fox and falcon.

Listen to this guy, he's a good mentor.

 

[Iamafalco]

Ok, i swithced to fox after i posted this thread.. his wavedash and waveshine are so easier