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  • Black Shadow
    • Will get Ganondorf's moveset (hovering too!) while Ganon will obtain a new moveset based on his sword and magic
Yes this will totally happen

After the Ganon mains have finally been vindicated after all this suffering over four separate Smash titles the moveset they so love attached to the character they so love will totally be reassigned.

I don't care if this gets me a warning. DEAR BLACK SHADOW VOTERS, GO **** YOURSELVES AND LEAVE MY MAIN ALONE.
 

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Yes this will totally happen

After the Ganon mains have finally been vindicated after all this suffering over four separate Smash titles the moveset they so love attached to the character they so love will totally be reassigned.

I don't care if this gets me a warning. DEAR BLACK SHADOW VOTERS, GO **** YOURSELVES AND LEAVE MY MAIN ALONE.
That is unnecessarily rude. It won't happen anyway since they already spent enough time to modify their Ganondorf (floating and new animations for example) to say "F*** it" and start all over again.
 

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Since we're on this topic.
To all Black Shadow/Ganon supporters.

Whatchu think of new Ganon?
Is it enough?
Do u need more?
 

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He also has Dead Man's Volley, along with all the new animations he got. I'd say it's a fair amount of info, but thats me.
All i saw was him floating and then thunderbooting someone. When was Dead Man's Volley shown? And those new animations could be just remade animations and nothing else.
That's what they're calling the reflect, from what I'm seeing.
Ganondorf can't reflect or shoot any projectiles since PSA limitations don't allow that. Where did you heard of that nonsense?
 
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All i saw was him floating and then thunderbooting someone. When was Dead Man's Volley shown? And those new animations could be just remade animations and nothing else.

Ganondorf can't reflect or shoot any projectiles since PSA limitations don't allow that. Where did you heard of that nonsense?
During the video, he reflects Pit's arrows. It's a little hard to see because his silhouette kind of covers a lot of him.
 

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All i saw was him floating and then thunderbooting someone. When was Dead Man's Volley shown? And those new animations could be just remade animations and nothing else.

Ganondorf can't reflect or shoot any projectiles since PSA limitations don't allow that. Where did you heard of that nonsense?

They couldn't add new characters due to limitations, but they did. Also, Mewtwo's confusion reflects. The PMDT is aware of limitations, and works hard to surpass them.
 

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Watch it again. In the segment of footage with Ganon and Pit, Ganon reflects a couple of arrows by slapping them. It's suspected to be his new Neutral B.
If he can't shoot anything with it, then its a very dumb choice for a Neutral B. If it replaces any of other specials without being able to shoot anything, then it is even worse. Still, he reflected something. I am impressed.
They couldn't add new characters due to limitations, but they did. Also, Mewtwo's confusion reflects. The PMDT is aware of limitations, and works hard to surpass them.
Lucario already had defensive collisions, which can be altered to reflect stuff, but can't be used on characters who don't originally have those. Mewtwo was done over Lucario. New characters thing was done by BrawlEx already.
 
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If he can't shoot anything with it, then its a very dumb choice for a Neutral B.

Lucario already had defensive collisions, which can be altered to reflect stuff, but can't be used on characters who don't originally have those. Mewtwo was done over Lucario. New characters thing was done by BrawlEx already.
I'd say it's a pretty good choice, considering he probably has the most trouble with projectiles out of the whole cast.
 

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So I think Black Shadow / Ganondorf is pretty much extremely unlikely. Not sure what we want to do with that in the poll yet.
 

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If he can't shoot anything with it, then its a very dumb choice for a Neutral B.
Why, exactly? I don't even play Ganon and I realize that having a tool to help him deal with projectiles is going to do a lot more for him than an impossible-to-land punch that nobody used seriously. Plus it's just damn cool. He reflects **** by swatting it with his hand! So disrespectful!

As for arguing that it can't be done, that's a little silly considering it was just shown to have been done.
 

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So I think Black Shadow / Ganondorf is pretty much extremely unlikely. Not sure what we want to do with that in the poll yet.
I think that Ganon's new changes pretty much disconfirm it. PMDT have shown they're willing to compromise to make fans of a more Zelda-esque Ganon happy without changing his overall feel and playstyle too much, so doing the switch is unlikely and unnecessary at this point. I say this as a former supporter. While I think Black Shadow can stick around on his own merits as an F-Zero character, Ganondorf should probably be removed when the poll is reset.
 
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I'd say it's a pretty good choice, considering he probably has the most trouble with projectiles out of the whole cast.
While it is more effective than Warlock Punch, which fails to hit most of the time for obvious reasons, it doesn't looks like something offensive and there could be better things instead of just this.
Why, exactly? I don't even play Ganon and I realize that having a tool to help him deal with projectiles is going to do a lot more for him than an impossible-to-land punch that nobody used seriously. Plus it's just damn cool. He reflects **** by swatting it with his hand! So disrespectful!

As for arguing that it can't be done, that's a little silly considering it was just shown to have been done.
If it can't be used as something offensive, then it is useless outside of very few situations. Warlock Punch is less useful, but still it could be replaced by something better.
I just know that it is unknown how it can be done for everyone else and always have been thaught that it is impossible, so...If they will find out how to copy articles, then my mind will be blown, but im going to be angry if they won't share with us how its done.
 
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Hm... I'm gonna talk about this Blackondorf thing...

As we know now, Ganondorf has two new abilities: hovering and reflecting. It wouldn't be a madness if we think there are some other attacks that may change in 3.5... is it possible he is even more different from C. Falcon? It seems like that is true. So... could we see Black Shadow in 4.0 as a midpoint between hovering-Ganondorf and C. Falcon? Maybe with some changes and some gimmicks, but in essence that. It would be cool, because the only thing people dislike about Blackondorf is Ganondorf moveset shouldn't be transformed into another one completely different (with sword and all of that).

Man, this is hype!
 

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I still would much rather see Ganondorf get a completely different moveset than see his current move set add additional Zelda influences. He should've never been a clone of Captain Falcon. It's weird he doesn't wield a sword or use magic.
 
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While it is more effective than Warlock Punch, which fails to hit most of the time for obvious reasons, it doesn't looks like something offensive and there could be better things instead of just this.

If it can't be used as something offensive, then it is useless outside of very few situations. Warlock Punch is less useful, but still it could be replaced by something better.
I just know that it is unknown how it can be done for everyone else and always have been thaught that it is impossible, so...If they will find out how to copy articles, then my mind will be blown, but im going to be angry if they won't share with us how its done.
TIL Defensive Tools are useless.
TBH, a projectile wouldn't help him that much. Unless it's ridiculously powerful, it's only something to spam in neutral. He's to slow to convert off of it, and if it ends up being reflected by attacks, like most people suggest, then it ends up hurting him more than he would gain.
 

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I think that Ganon's new changes pretty much disconfirm it. PMDT have shown they're willing to compromise to make fans of a more Zelda-esque Ganon happy without changing his overall feel and playstyle too much, so doing the switch is unlikely and unnecessary at this point. I say this as a former supporter. While I think Black Shadow can stick around on his own merits as an F-Zero character, Ganondorf should probably be removed when the poll is reset.
So you're alright with nixing him in the poll and letting him join Bowser Jr? Let's see the other vote talliers weigh in too.

I still would much rather see Ganondorf get a completely different moveset than see his current move set add additional Zelda influences. He should've never been a clone of Captain Falcon. It's weird he doesn't wield a sword or use magic.
Yes, while that's valid, it appears the PMBR has made their decision with regards to design.
 

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So you're alright with nixing him in the poll and letting him join Bowser Jr? Let's see the other vote talliers weigh in too.



Yes, while that's valid, it appears the PMBR has made their decision with regards to design.
Yeah, I am, but like you said - we'll see what other supporters think before we do anything.
 

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If it can't be used as something offensive, then it is useless outside of very few situations.
There are 25 or so characters in Project M with projectiles that can be meaningfully reflected, projectiles being one of the Big G's greatest weaknesses. This is going to dramatically shake up fully half of Ganon's matchups.

Before, you could just hang back and chuck fireballs/lasers at Dorf all day and he could do jack **** about it. Now he actually has something reactive he can do to stop that kind of thing. That's a lot more interesting and applicable than whatever thoroughly mediocre projectile he'd be allowed to have.
 

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Seeing how Ganondorf is already in, here are my votes:

+1 vote:
-Isaac (he deserves it)
-Lyn (I read ManlySpirit's defense for Lyn and I'm sold haha)
-Sami
-Ray MK III (Mega Man is out of the running, so this is the robot I'm gunning for! Projectile-dependent play is almost unheard of besides Link and MegaMan)
-Sukapon (moar robots)


+1/2 vote:
Knuckles
Mach Rider
Takamaru
 

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I think that Ganon's new changes pretty much disconfirm it. PMDT have shown they're willing to compromise to make fans of a more Zelda-esque Ganon happy without changing his overall feel and playstyle too much, so doing the switch is unlikely and unnecessary at this point. I say this as a former supporter. While I think Black Shadow can stick around on his own merits as an F-Zero character, Ganondorf should probably be removed when the poll is reset.
i am a Zelda Fan/Geek/Lover and trust me when i say this changes brought a smile to my face, the hover and the cape reflector seem more Ganon like for me. what i mean is im pretty much satisfied for this changes.

EDIT: since Black Shadow/Ganon is pretty much deconfirmed, i guess i get back my +1 vote right?
 
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I was thinking it'd be interesting if they took it one small step further, and made his quake punch his down smash. I think that plus the Dead Man's Volley would do a lot to satisfy Canondorfers short of giving him an actual sword.

Since Shadowdorf is dead now, I changed my vote.
Wait, what did you do? We don't even know where your vote is, if you changed a previous post. Just let us know what you want to change it to in a new post, rather than changing something old, otherwise it won't get recorded. Also, we haven't officially made the decision that the votes will be returned yet.

i am a Zelda Fan/Geek/Lover and trust me when i say this changes brought a smile to my face, the hover and the cape reflector seem more Ganon like for me. what i mean is im pretty much satisfied for this changes.

EDIT: since Black Shadow/Ganon is pretty much deconfirmed, i guess i get back my +1 vote right?
See above.
 

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Well, first of all, I do not speak English very well actually why I speak Spanish , so if you do not understand me , it's for that reason , why not be an illiterate in English xD. Well, let's start .

Princess Daisy:

Despite what many say , that is a clone of Peach, has no personality , is why they have not played Mario Strikes Gamecube and Wii. In these two games , Daisy has an explosive , and very competitive personality , also seen in Mario Power Tennis for the Gamecube, has a cheerful, funny , and rude attitude. Something that I think is perfect for Smash . Now , out of his personality , we will attack. In Mario Party 3 , it proved to be a huge force , by giving a simple slap , sent flying Bowser to who knows where , is that being a clone of peach ? . Mario Strikers Charged , in this game , his special ability is normal to give a blow to the ground, and consecutively , make crystals out of the ground, this shows that you have some control over the crystals , go piece of skill to a clone of Peach ... in Mario Power Tennis , Mario Baseball , Mario Sports Mix , Mario Golf, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games and in most of the games in which she appears , she has the power to control flowers.

Well, that's all I can say about the movements of Daisy, and I hope you get a chance , it is a very special character , if we are not carried away by their appearance. See you !
 

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Am I missing something? Shadowdorf isn't dead yet, I don't think. We need to see more of his moveset, and there are two possibilities:

1. The changed moves we saw in the 3.5 trailer (fair, bair, noochB) are the only major changes.
2. There are other major changes beyond what we saw in the 3.5 trailer.

If the first comes to fruition, then sure, Shadowdorf is done. If the second comes to fruition, I'd say that's evidence in favor of Shadowdorf for 4.0 in 2016 or whenever. I find it hard to believe the PMBR would let Olddorf's moveset go to waste, and we could see Black Shadow as a middle-ground between Falcon and a highly altered Ganondorf.

We'll know for sure in two days, but writing Shadowdorf off now seems premature.
 

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Wait, what did you do? We don't even know where your vote is, if you changed a previous post. Just let us know what you want to change it to in a new post, rather than changing something old, otherwise it won't get recorded. Also, we haven't officially made the decision that the votes will be returned yet.
I edited my old post, my mistake since I wasn't supposed to do that.
What I did was change my +1 vote from Blackshadow/Ganondorf revamp to Dixie Kong. That's what I had changed.
 

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I was thinking it'd be interesting if they took it one small step further, and made his quake punch his down smash. I think that plus the Dead Man's Volley would do a lot to satisfy Canondorfers short of giving him an actual sword.



Wait, what did you do? We don't even know where your vote is, if you changed a previous post. Just let us know what you want to change it to in a new post, rather than changing something old, otherwise it won't get recorded. Also, we haven't officially made the decision that the votes will be returned yet.



See above.
As a fan of Smash Ganon and Canon Ganon (lol) AND I use Ashingda Triforce Mod which gives Ganondorf use of his sword and some magic (usually depending on the version) via taunting, I'm extremely excited about these changes!
And Black Shadow/Ganondorf does seem useless now. But I will always hope for Ganon to get the Samus treatment, aka - side taunt changing some of her moves and/or move properties.

PMDT can easily have Ganondorf have a few Sword moves via down taunt like; if Ganondorf uses down taunt he pulls out his sword and hold it out until he uses that taunt again he would have a new idle animation and his sword arm and hand would not move as he runs. His Fair, Up-smash, Fsmash, Nair and Ftilt (for example) all change to sword based moves. It gives the move extra range but sacrifices KO power and/or speed. I see nothing wrong with implementing that. And would anyone really be against it? As it would only improve Ganon Meta game against certain match ups and if you don't like using it you can just ignore it.
 
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How about a charge character? Like a character where to do B moves, you have to hold B for a bit and then a special move executes whenever you release it. I think this would be a cool way to do a clone character.

That way of charging would be like Cody's Zonk Knuckle in SFIV.
 

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If the first comes to fruition, then sure, Shadowdorf is done. If the second comes to fruition, I'd say that's evidence in favor of Shadowdorf for 4.0 in 2016 or whenever. I find it hard to believe the PMBR would let Olddorf's moveset go to waste, and we could see Black Shadow as a middle-ground between Falcon and a highly altered Ganondorf.

We'll know for sure in two days, but writing Shadowdorf off now seems premature.
do remember that Ganon's pre-3.5 build, while mIles ahead of brawl, is still overall pretty sub-par. the reflect was added for the sake of balance more than the sake of canon. if they went and did black shadow and made him as ganon is now, they'd be back at square one again for "how do we fix this character?"

also, his "new" bair is just a polished version of his current one if you've forgotten. we have been shown only 2 new moves - cape flick and Fsmash - "Ganondorf's Warlock Punch is gone, but his Forward Smash animation has been updated in memory of it." i sincerely doubt that anything else on him has changed.


now then... is it too silly to hope for maybe a new character come version 4.(x)?
 
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