Ness' Official Frame Data (Taunt frame data is up)

[Ref]

Is the hitstun for pk flash the same regardless of how much it's charged?

Don't you mean Hit lag? The answer is No either way.... Hit stun and Hit lag are a property of percents...

 

[xoxokev]

Question

PK thunder

Start up: 18
Hits: 19
Ends: 73

Does this mean you can only control PK Thunder between frames 18-73?
If so, then you can only control PKT for 55 frames... how much would 55 frames translate into in terms of seconds?

 

[Earthbound Zero]

Ref, can you measure the amount of invincibility frames in PKT2?

I always wanted to know that. :x

EDIT 2: Listen to Gaussis, he's smart.

 

[Gaussis]

You have it wrong, EBZero. A frame is a 60th of a second. You control PKT for around 2.7 (timed it a while back).

 

[Earthbound Zero]

D:

I read the wiki wrong.

 

[Ref]

The frames where it hits and ends means the earliest hit at point blank, this means 55 frames of ending lag...

As for the time PKT stays out... I'll test that tomorrow...

 

[Gaussis]

Ref, is there a difference of lag when PKT hits a character and when it runs out/hits terrain? It certainly feels like a lag difference, but that just may be me.

 

[Ref]

I believe there might be one but I'll test that tomorrow as well... As for the invincibility on PKT2 I probably can't test too well...

 

[Earthbound360]

You may just be lag cancelling it slightly.

 

[Gaussis]

It isn't a lag cancel because it happens when I use PKT on the ground (unless there's some way you can do that o_O).

 

[Earthbound360]

Not sure then

 

[thesage]

I believe there's a lag difference for pk flash. He has to different animations for when it explodes and when it hits the ground.

 

[Ref]

There is a 2 frame difference when hitting the ground oppose to an opponent with pkt's ending lag.

As for flash 39 from the point where Flash hits the ground and Ness stops it. That's like a 13 frame difference

PKT is out for 120 frames... 2 seconds.. I think actually 119 frames...

I will get shield stun now.

 

[Gaussis]

2 seconds? That's surprisingly short. Anyway, I got 2.7 seconds when I timed it from the point the head comes out. Maybe I did a mistake?

 

[xoxokev]

Yeah I agree, 2 seconds sounds very short. In my head, it seems like ~3 seconds

 

[Ref]

Hey guys... Should I calculate Ness' Shield advantages using a simple version of the formula? Since duration is needed for the complex version, which is really hard to get.

SHIELDSTUN + HIT - SHIELDHITLAG - END (or IASA)

Is the one generally used by 3GOD and others...

 

[xoxokev]

Yes?

Lol, I don't know much about all this technical stuff... but, if it's useful to know about shield advantages, sure why not

 

[Asa]

so is nair better than fair for momentum cancelling?

 

[thesage]

Nair, then bair, uair, fair, and dair in that order.

 

[xoxokev]

Oh yeah, Ref, I've been meaning to ask you about this

PKT is out for 120 frames... 2 seconds.. I think actually 119 frames...

Are you serious?! 2 seconds seems awfully short... Are you sure it's only 2 seconds?

 

[Ref]

Yes I'm 100% sure.

 

[_clinton]

Hey Ref...could you find the frame data for all of Ness' taunts?

 

[Earthbound360]

^^^
Important things like that MUST be looked into. Seriously, do it.

 

[paper otavio]

Could anyone explain how important this data is?(No offense)

 

[Ref]

Frames- brawl runs at 60 frames per a second. This data is important to tell how long each move takes accurately compared to other moves.

That's pretty much the basic of it.

 

[_clinton]

Free bump...and I need that taunt data...I like being an annoying SOB in my matches

 

[Ref]

I'll get taunt data soon I'm just really busy, a lot of it is catching up to me.

 

[_clinton]

Ok then, thank you ^_^

 

[paper otavio]

Oh, that's useful..

 

[xoxokev]

Ref, is there a difference in frames between a normal grounded PK Fire and a pivot PK Fire?

 

[Ref]

Ref, is there a difference in frames between a normal grounded PK Fire and a pivot PK Fire?

Only the frames it takes you to dash then input it.

 

[ViceGrip]

Ref is mah hero!

 

[_clinton]

Ref has indeed done plenty of things that make me want to have a baby with him...

 

[Earthbound360]

K... this is where I start backing away.

 

[ViceGrip]

He said have a baby...not have sex. geez EB360. it's not THAT weird.

I'm sure you've thought about having a baby w/ plenty of smashers.

 

[Neon Ness]

Pretty sure Ref hears it the most out of all of them, though.

Ref is Ref Tier.

 

[thesage]

Ref is trash. I'll totally 10$ mm him in a Ness ditto. See you sometime over the summer. This totally makes us rivals and bitter enemies.

 

[ViceGrip]

Ref is going to have beautiful babies.

The Sage: your babies will be trolls

 

[thesage]

I can guarantee that my babies will be so smexy they will develop psychic powers by the age of 13 (ie Ness). Ref's will be a different kind of sexy (the sexy to pedophiles kind) and will never live fulfilling lives due to that.

 

[_clinton]

I can guarantee that my babies will be so smexy they will develop psychic powers by the age of 13 (ie Ness). Ref's will be a different kind of sexy (the sexy to pedophiles kind) and will never live fulfilling lives due to that.

Ness had his psychic powers from birth ^_^