Ness, Lucario, Jigglypuff essentially confirmed

[Randofu]

I'm sure someone has probably mentioned this, but I'll say it in case no one else has.

The heads are still in the video on the wii.com site. You can only see them if you pause, though. I agree, it's extremely strange. If you watch the video, there are no heads, but when you pause you can in fact see them.

I don't really have a good explanation of this, but I suspect it has something to do with the fact that it's a Flash video and the mechanism they used to hide the heads once they realized that it was leaked. Maybe someone who knows more about Flash videos could answer this? Are there Flash decompilers?

 

[Barstool]

Ness having new special attacks makes perfect sense. In Earthbound he didn't have PSI Fire and Thunder, Paula did. I'm hoping they update him with the correct attacks.

 

[Sinistar]

I'm still telling you Ness clone thinkers; Ness is probally getting a huge special moveset change.


We've already seen that Lucas' normal attacks are not at all the same to Ness.

 

[Cless]

Yes, but why wouldn't they just give new specials to Lucas too. He has the same moves as Ness in the game. Why change an already established character?

 

[EPX2]

Jesus Christ, you'd think that after everything that's happened, people would be a hell of a lot more cautious in making all of these absolute conclusions. But no, we *still* have people insisting that Mewtwo is out of the game. Give it a rest, goodness.

 

[omiz144]

This is all very exciting. Lucario has been a heavilyrequested character, and honestly, we all knew Ness was returning. Thre were nay-sayers, but you can't remove a character that started the series. Same with Jigglypuff.

It mkes sense for Lucario to replace Mewtwo, but their movesets are surely very different. I could see Mewtwo in as well. But...wow too many pokemon reps. Is this an inkling of how many characters there will be?

We already have 6 Pokemon movesets now, meaning Zelda is assured at least 6. Link, Zelda, Shiek Ganondorf, and... wow.

 

[NeoZ]

I'm sure someone has probably mentioned this, but I'll say it in case no one else has.

The heads are still in the video on the wii.com site. You can only see them if you pause, though. I agree, it's extremely strange. If you watch the video, there are no heads, but when you pause you can in fact see them.

I don't really have a good explanation of this, but I suspect it has something to do with the fact that it's a Flash video and the mechanism they used to hide the heads once they realized that it was leaked. Maybe someone who knows more about Flash videos could answer this? Are there Flash decompilers?

Well some things don't stop even when you pause the movie(symbols with animations inside for example), but I don't think that's the case as it would loop and end up covering it at some point. I think Nintendo's not that lazy and also a white stripe doesn't actually contain an animation...
I'm not sure what you mean by decompiler, so I can't help you there, but flash videos work differently than flash animations, you can actually just stream a video with a flash player(it's done automatically and is hosted directly on the server) or embed it in the file which let's you combine video with animations(but increases the file size by a lot).

 

[Hitzel]

We already have 6 Pokemon movesets now, meaning Zelda is assured at least 6. Link, Zelda, Shiek Ganondorf, and... wow.

Not really. Pokemon has 4 reps because it's that popular. This doesn't guarantee 6 Zelda reps in any way.

 

[LavisFiend]

You guys are really friggin' pathetic.

I give up. You are morons.

Simple as that.

"NESS WILL B CLONE." "MEWTWO IZ DISCUNFURMED."

Absolutely ********. Horrendously ********. I can't stomach it anymore.

 

[Lucina Clash]

Welcome back, Ness. Hopefully Sakurai-san gave you power.

Wow, I thought Sakurai was tricky. "Up until now"? Up until now we were abiding alongside "up until now" because that means only "up until this time now"... Sakurai, your mindgames are intense !

 

[LavisFiend]

Dude...my computer....why the crap did it do this? -_-; mods please get rid of this.

 

[LavisFiend]

Whoa. I am so sorry, my computer glitched up BAD.

 

[The Boogerman]

Woo! Take that, naysayers who doubt Shi*teiru!

I bet people will still deny that Ness is in.

Who was the cat swearing Ness wouldn't get in, Metasonic or something?

 

[gangstajuice02]

Shadow For Brawl!!!!!!!!

 

[Sonovin]

lol, so it seems they failed to edit ALL the frames in that video.

=]

 

[RyuDragonKing]

This makes me a little sad, as this means Mewtwo may not be in....

 

[Lucas_User]

Shadow For Brawl!!!!!!!!

Sorry, no Shadow in Brawl.
After the Pokemon and Mother stickers, it shows a icon that is Sonic.
Sonic is the only one there, so no Shadow, Tails, etc.

 

[Acedaemon]

hmmmm

Hey, i dont know if anyone else noticed, i didnt read all 39 pages of replys, but "Ness" looks a bit like the Pokemon Trainer... I dont wanna be a party-pooper or anything, and I like Ness, but I'm justt sayin....

Lucario and Jiggly look like they are in tho

 

[webrunner]

Hey, i dont know if anyone else noticed, i didnt read all 39 pages of replys, but "Ness" looks a bit like the Pokemon Trainer... I dont wanna be a party-pooper or anything, and I like Ness, but I'm justt sayin....

Lucario and Jiggly look like they are in tho

Perhaps you should have read all 39 pages. I'm just sayin.

 

[Zenigame]

For the 3,000,000th time:

The first picture has PIkachu, PT, Lucario, and Jigglypuff.

The SECOND picture has Ness & Lucas.

We KNOW THAT THAT IS PT IN THE FIRST PICTURE.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Anyone who thinks PT's head is really Ness, check out my http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=138445 thread for comparison pics. It's pretty clear they're different.

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Who was the cat swearing Ness wouldn't get in, Metasonic or something?

Meta_sonic64, Chi's Finest, VesperView(banned, was actually a kinda cool guy) come to mind right away, though there were others.

Funny, haven't seen Meta touch a Ness thread since.

 

[NeoZ]

Welcome back, Ness. Hopefully Sakurai-san gave you power.

Wow, I thought Sakurai was tricky. "Up until now"? Up until now we were abiding alongside "up until now" because that means only "up until this time now"... Sakurai, your mindgames are intense !

Sakurai, master of mindgames...

 

[Vinsentto-Kun]

LUUUCAAARRIOOOO.

Yes. This is the news I've been waiting for!

 

[Vinsentto-Kun]

LUUUCAAARRIOOOO.

Yes. This is the news I've been waiting for!

 

[Tyrannotaur]

ZOMG! Lucario! I love that he is confirmed. Shuts up all the Anti Lucario people. I'm glad Jigglypuff is back. I wonder whats become of Mewtwo. I hope he isn't cut.

Glad to see Ness is back. Never made sense to me to axe him.

 

[kashikomarimashita]

Sweetness! The more characters the merrier. Jigglypuff was always one of my favorite characters to use though I she was too weak to dominate with. And the news of Lucario. A new character! This should be interesting.

 

[Brasil]

I don't have the time to chug through 40-some pages now, especially since I keep getting server time-outs and such, but I just wanted to ask what, exactly, do the character icons confirm in-game, and for what purpose? Do they represent playable characters? If so, for what? SSE or versus mode?

On the Dojo it's outright stated we use stickers only for SSE and not in "standard brawls." But in SSE, it looks like we're only able to do two-player co-op, max. So why are there potentially four characters listed on one screen? If there's an upgrade "system" why not list all the characters available to upgrade? Why just list those four, presuming they are in fact available to upgrade for SSE, if they are in fact playable characters? As part of this "upgrade system' is there going to be a "select your character" trophy pool? Something doesn't quite gel there.

Further, let's suppose there's an optional set-up mode for versus that lets players upgrade their characters. How does that make sense, given the implication that stickers don't work in "standard brawls"? I'm willing to entertain a new type of Special Brawl, and think it would be pretty ****ing hardcore to have that kind of upgrade system to spice up matches...but at this point?

I dunno. I agree it demonstrates something, especially when the videos were edited such a short while after the mistake was noticed. But I think the important thing to note is not whether it confirms those characters as playable or not playable, but rather for what this means for the game itself. Because honestly, revelation of them as PCs? Not very earth-shattering.

The implications across Brawl, however? Sticker upgrades for possibly 2+ players? That's something far, far, FAR more interesting and ZOMG Earth-Shattering, when you really think about it.

 

[AustiniusRex]

this also shows sonic is the only sonic rep from sega at 4:21, sorry tails and knuckles fans

 

[Tree Gelbman]

That's not necessarily true. NO ONE is debunked from this video. It only CONFIRMS Ness, Lucario, and Jigglypuff.

 

[Camalach]

It can Just mean that Claus is unlockable later on.

 

[WeltallZero]

Mmmm, this is a bit strange. I ripped the 6-min video back on Wednesday (January 16) with Replay Media Catcher, and I just got back to see it: there's no text where the sticker info is. If Nintendo did go back and change the wii.com video, it was before or on last Wednesday. However, this thread seems to suggest they just did yesterday, right?

 

[InvincibleAgent]

AR, are you saying that Tails and Knuckles are only in if they're starters? Because that's the dumbest theory I've ever heard. I'd bet that if they're in, they're unlockables.

 

[Limey]

I don't have the time to chug through 40-some pages now, especially since I keep getting server time-outs and such, but I just wanted to ask what, exactly, do the character icons confirm in-game, and for what purpose? Do they represent playable characters? If so, for what? SSE or versus mode?

On the Dojo it's outright stated we use stickers only for SSE and not in "standard brawls." But in SSE, it looks like we're only able to do two-player co-op, max. So why are there potentially four characters listed on one screen? If there's an upgrade "system" why not list all the characters available to upgrade? Why just list those four, presuming they are in fact available to upgrade for SSE, if they are in fact playable characters? As part of this "upgrade system' is there going to be a "select your character" trophy pool? Something doesn't quite gel there.

Further, let's suppose there's an optional set-up mode for versus that lets players upgrade their characters. How does that make sense, given the implication that stickers don't work in "standard brawls"? I'm willing to entertain a new type of Special Brawl, and think it would be pretty ****ing hardcore to have that kind of upgrade system to spice up matches...but at this point?

I dunno. I agree it demonstrates something, especially when the videos were edited such a short while after the mistake was noticed. But I think the important thing to note is not whether it confirms those characters as playable or not playable, but rather for what this means for the game itself. Because honestly, revelation of them as PCs? Not very earth-shattering.

The implications across Brawl, however? Sticker upgrades for possibly 2+ players? That's something far, far, FAR more interesting and ZOMG Earth-Shattering, when you really think about it.

The stickers are used to upgrade characters as you said, in the SSE. Yes, there's only two player co-op max. I think it's safe to assume that as you play the SSE, you gain the stickers. Then, to power up, you can apply them to whatever characters are available at the time, to power them up.

Certain stickers can only be used to upgrade certain characters. Granted, the majority, i assume, will be universal, but for the certain character specific ones, they put the character's icon there to show who it can be used on. Yes, it applies only to the SSE, but there's no way that Jigglypuff, Ness, and Lucario would only be playable in that mode and not in multiplayer.

 

[NeoZ]

This doesn't prove anyone is out, and I'm glad due to that.
I hope pkmn gets that 5th PC so that M2 can be back.

 

[deadmon]

I honestly don't care if Mewtwo returns or not. Just glad to see Lucario.

 

[krynny]

out of the 3 chars. im happiest about jigglypuff. i rocked some jiggly in melee. cant get too happy about lucario until i see that char played.

 

[Sailyfee]

Tch. . . . I really wonder how Ness is gonna differ from Lucas.

 

[mathos]

Its pokemon trainer. It makes no sense to have a sticker that affects 3 pokemon and ness?!? Nor does it make sense to have ness and lucas with the same game.

 

[G-Rabbit]

Mathos, PKMN Trainer is indeed in the first pic along with Lucario, Jiggs, and Pikachu. But if you look at the other picture, with the arrow on the Claus sticker, you will see Lucas and Ness in the bottom right.
Thank you.