ness discussion

[Peek~]

I find Nair a better starter. Fair can be awkward sometimes since you may have to jump back a bit then go foward with Fair after an Uair/Utilt/Spike. The more Fairs needed the trickier it gets imo.

Usually Uair x2 -> Nair -> (however many Fairs you need to get them to the off stage) -> Spike works on most. Nair -> Spike is an EASY kill chain if you can them near the edge http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z3NRUr5ibEQ#t=377s

Mario, Luigi, and Samus are pretty easy to chain

 

[Yoshi_King64]

Why do the shields and shines look so skinny in that vid. I see it a lot but I don't understand why it happens. Nice vid btw

 

[Peek~]

Why do the shields and shines look so skinny in that vid. I see it a lot but I don't understand why it happens. Nice vid btw

I'm using an old Jabos plugin for PJ64.

Shines and shields come out flat. As well as a bunch of other stuff like skinny Fireballs, invisible charge shots, and visible invincible frames.

 

[asianaussie]

the invisible charge shots make samus better than luigi

 

[Battlecow]

only if the opponent has said plugin.

 

[SSBPete]

Huh I said the opposite, nair is easier.

it is 1.30am and i'm not thinking properly

 

[Peek~]

I get happy everytime I stick-shorthop from the side platforms to the middle platform on dreamland

Its like the most perfect/fitting jump ever.

 

[SSBPete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ZcrxZ86e8&feature=related

who is this ness? is he well known? he seems on par with sima

 

[Battlecow]

Damn, that's a cool-looking ness. I guess he's called Nesubo or something (google-translated the ****er)?

We know so little about how they do things in japan.

 

[SSBPete]

yeah i google translated it almost expecting it to be sima

i reckon the average japanese player would be better than the average player from any other part of the world

 

[Battlecow]

Meeeeeh

They have some good players, but we haven't seen their bad players (for obvious reasons lol)

 

[clubbadubba]

or maybe we HAVE seen their bad players, but they're just that good. check out proper use of there.

 

[Battlecow]

OK mang, it's their bad players that get to top 8

Seems legit

 

[Olikus]

What Ive saw in japan I would say their best are proabaly a bit worse than the best in tacna and NA. But they got the highest number of players on a really high level.

 

[ciaza]

technically australia has the best average player, as we don't have the long tail of scubs that all big countries have. unless "part of the world" can refer to something as small as the city of tacna in which case they probably win.

a better way to measure skill would be to like take the median maybe, or the average of high level players only.

 

[asianaussie]

idk man, we have some really bad scrubs

like, so bad they literally rock the average level

median is probably better, but then i would probably be the median and we all know im the worst in the world

 

[Sangoku]

Median would fall on a scrub in every country.

That japanese Ness is so good. Uses the platforms really well. Ness can be so flashy sometimes...

 

[SSBPete]

What Ive saw in japan I would say their best are proabaly a bit worse than the best in tacna and NA. But they got the highest number of players on a really high level.

this is what i ment

i don't know what it is, but i'd rather watch japanese smash over north american or south american any day

in terms of favorite to watch it goes: japanese > north america > south america, keeping in mind europe and australia don't exist

 

[Olikus]

I wish there were more friendlies of Bear matches on youtube. He is probably the most fun player to watch imo, when he doesnt play to win.

 

[SSBPete]

no need for johns

we suck too

 

[ciaza]

speak for yourself

after p2ping rom, i've deciding to place rom, kuromatsu and myself onto a whole other plane above australia

especially considering the matches i had with rom who is the first person to legit make me try in a damn long while

i'm going to record matches so hard once i get my computer

 

[SSBPete]

kuro used to be so far above me, now i beat him almost every game we play
every time i play rom, i beat him, then he claims he was sandbagging

you havn't played me properly in months either

and even so, 'a whole other plane' in australia is like medium A-tier north americans

 

[Olikus]

no need for johns

we suck too

well i said fun so no johns^^

 

[ciaza]

kuro used to be so far above me, now i beat him almost every game we play
every time i play rom, i beat him, then he claims he was sandbagging

you havn't played me properly in months either

and even so, 'a whole other plane' in australia is like medium A-tier north americans

kuro has explicitly said he hasn't tried for years, and misses competition. hence why i promised him we'd play seriously when he came back.

rom is legit a tier above me, his fox is at least.

how are you comparing ourselves to americans, pete? where is the data? if you're comparing videos, sure, our videos suck a hairy **** and we're worse by far, but until someone has played an american in low tier p2p/console i can't see how you can objectively say we're worse.

Median would fall on a scrub in every country.

That japanese Ness is so good. Uses the platforms really well. Ness can be so flashy sometimes...

you're right. probs best to disregard the scrubs in every country and go from there.

that ness was fun to watch, it didn't occur to me how much more of a threat that uair is as a kill move. i also can't decide if his uptilt is better or worse overall compared to the (u) uptilt.

 

[Sangoku]

Oh utilt is different? It has less knockback? I almost legitimated aa's saying about using utilt against Mario lol.

 

[TANK64]

median is probably better, but then i would probably be the median and we all know im the worst in the world

Median would fall on a scrub in every country.

lol, low blow.

no need for johns

we suck too

You seem like you're good from your vids

and you're the only Australian that exist on Youtube

but vids DON count

 

[SSBPete]

i'm good at combos

and probably in the top 3 aus players (which doesn't mean much, as far as i'm concerned)

 

[asianaussie]

it seems the top 3 aus players happen to be the same players who still actively practise the game

and coincidentally are the 3 players who keep me playing this game when i clearly have better things to do

im convinced that rom is either isai or a bearded guy who stays in his room playing training mode whenever he has free time

 

[ciaza]

i thought we established that rom is the sun

what is wrong with you

Oh utilt is different? It has less knockback?

yup. that means you can go straight into a devastating (j) uair at high percents like that dude did on mario

i like the (u) utilt however because it's much easier to get a combo going at low percents on heavies. i think if you tried to do that in (j) there's a strong chance they could di down hard and tech away

hence why i am not sure which is better

also am i the only person to prefer the american link's utilt as opposed to (j)s?

 

[SSBPete]

also am i the only person to prefer the american link's utilt as opposed to (j)s?

it wouldn't surprise me

(j): utilt > boomerang > utilt > boomerang is just too cool

 

[asianaussie]

J is better because fireball to aerial works and there is almost no DI (ie almost no cheating)

and also u-tilt chains on falcon at 0%

 

[SSBPete]

J is better because fireball to aerial works and there is almost no DI (ie almost no cheating)

and also u-tilt chains on falcon at 0%

fireball to aerial works on (u)

all aerials except fair, that is

 

[Battlecow]

Isai likes U Utilt combos better.

 

[ciaza]

maybe it's just what you're used to

i kept trying to do tent combos with links utilt in (j) because it kept slipping my mind how much more knockback it has

i guess (j)'s would be better for more situations, especially because in (u) you can replace his dtilt for his utilt a lot of the time, albeit harder to hit

 

[TANK64]

fireball to aerial works on (u)

all aerials except fair, that is

yea I've heard people say this before (about fireball to aerial not working).

While working on Luigi stuff I've def confirmed that fireball>any aerial works.

Yea Fireball>Fair

*sniff*

I think everything but another fire ball...

 

[asianaussie]

ok, you can do fireball > any aerial *easily* (and below like 120%) in (J)

if im completely misinformed then meh, i have never used training mode for over 2 minutes in any smash game

aside from in barwl to check out final smashes the week it came out

 

[TANK64]

ok, you can do fireball > any aerial *easily* (and below like 120%) in (J)

^^yea, basically this. I don't expect people to do it in match in U.

 

[SSBPete]

ok, you can do fireball > any aerial *easily* (and below like 120%) in (J)

problem is, in (j) you can't do it with anything over 120% because the kockback becomes significant

 

[asianaussie]

if that's truly a problem for you then a reassessment of priorities is in order

im surprised no talk about ness's u-tilt has come up with all this (J) nonsense

 

[chuckj]

sorry for the post here :$

i was replying to an old post i thought it was the last

edit again

not too old post, the ness player in the video posted in page 30 is called Ness-Boy! good player!