Nerfs that really bothered ya

[jmjb]

1.1.4 released the final content of smash 4, and possibly the last balance patch, whether that holds true or not, were there any nerfs or changes in the year of smash 4, that bothered you?

For me, it was removing some neat Easter eggs. Little known fact that if you mashed Village's B button like a machine, you could gain a little bit extra height. How much extra, about 5% more height, you pretty much had to go in 1/4th mode, but it was a neat little property Villager mains knew. It never even made it to the patch notes when it got removed, so sad.

Another thing was the doubles nerf, when team combos got a 50% reduction. I can see how G&W's Bucket was broken, it 1hko, and he had a guaranteed throw into it, and he didn't lose it even after dying. but Ness and Villager definitely weren't that same level of OP, villager couldn't pocket anything as strong as g&w bucket, and he had to use it quick or it'd dissappear. and Ness's heal wasn't OP enough to deserve a nerf. Doubles was a place where creative strategy could trump 2 pro singles players who just played 2 singles games during their match, this nerf hurt that.

Anyway these were the 2 nerfs that bothered me the most, were there any nerfs or changes that bothered you guys?

 

[Chief Hotsuin]

Did Sakurai actually say anything about this being the last patch? All l remember is that it was the last video presentation. Seriously, am l missing something?

 

[MarioMeteor]

Luigi's nerf nettled the hell out of me. The Cyclone nerf was understandable, but the one to his down throw was bull****. I lost a perfectly good secondary to that. Damn it Sakurai...

 

[Xandercosm]

Bowser's latest nerf. That was atrocious. He was finally a good character but now Sakurai decided to send him back to the Shadow Realm after his brief stint in the land of high-tiers.

 

[Xermo]

Nope, I'm good

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

All I can say is that Rosalina's weight nerf seemed unnecessary. Heck, even the weight buff that Kirby received is rather redundant if you're only surviving 1% longer than before; it still doesn't save +18 defense Kirby from getting 1-hit KO'd by a +116 attack KO Uppercut from Little Mac.

 

[MarioMeteor]

All I can say is that Rosalina's weight nerf seemed unnecessary. Heck, even the weight buff that Kirby received is rather redundant if you're only surviving 1% longer than before; it still doesn't save +18 defense Kirby from getting 1-hit KO'd by a +116 attack KO Uppercut from Little Mac.

I'm thinking this patch was rushed. If the most they can do to balance out the top tiers is give them a one-unit weight decrease, it had to have been rushed.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Pac-Man's Instant-Launching Hydrants + Trampoline Nerf has made him become quite poor in means of being a long-running character to main - mostly because trampolines aren't anymore that difficult to get around due always going one same height and more than half of the cast can launch Pac's hydrants with a single hit compared to him, making it useless on the long run. This guy already struggles to get kills these days and most of the time people suggest using super-complicated techs and methods to make Pac-Man reach his "unorthodox and wacky trapper"-status that he used to be hyped as in the earlier days.

I'd like if it they decided to make the Hydrant not be able to be launched by others at least - since we're not gonna get the Wifi-Bar Whiffer fixed to an actual grab anytime soon.

 

[Ghostly ~]

's hydro pump and up smash & 's down throw and aerial cyclone nerfs really bothers me. Those two moves of the two characters removes of what make them unique and dangerous to fight.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Pac-Man's Instant-Launching Hydrants + Trampoline Nerf has made him become quite poor in means of being a long-running character to main - mostly because trampolines aren't anymore that difficult to get around due always going one same height and more than half of the cast can launch Pac's hydrants with a single hit compared to him, making it useless on the long run. This guy already struggles to get kills these days and most of the time people suggest using super-complicated techs and methods to make Pac-Man reach his "unorthodox and wacky trapper"-status that he used to be hyped as in the earlier days.

I'd like if it they decided to make the Hydrant not be able to be launched by others at least - since we're not gonna get the Wifi-Bar Whiffer fixed to an actual grab anytime soon.

You mean the Trampolines of Doom? Why wouldn't they patch those? Those were just plain unfair.

 

[E-Mann]

Bowser's latest nerf. That was atrocious. He was finally a good character but now Sakurai decided to send him back to the Shadow Realm after his brief stint in the land of high-tiers.

Damnit... Bowser was one of my favorite heavyweights, as well.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

You mean the Trampolines of Doom? Why wouldn't they patch those? Those were just plain unfair.

A lot other tools in this game are pretty "unfair" under certain applications (Ganoncide) yet ultimately they'll be accepted by the community and people have to adapt on using them. The trampolines were pretty nifty tool for stage control for Pac-Man, covering over his other more glaring weaknesses with more options to mix-ups and mindgames today unlike how it's more becoming not worth bothering with due such limited applications in high-level play.

 

[Chief Hotsuin]

One thing that bothered me is Palutena's ftilt getting 2 hits instead of 3. Half of the time, the opponent would drop shield in the ftilt, not knowing there's a third hit (as only two hits connect when you hit with the attack). The three hits made it a bit safer on shield (still dangerous as hell), so seeing that gone feels wrong.

 

[Khao]

Did Sakurai actually say anything about this being the last patch? All l remember is that it was the last video presentation. Seriously, am l missing something?

These were the last couple of DLC fighters.

All of the latest balance updates were done in time with the newest batch of playable characters, likely because of it.

So it's kinda safe to expect we're not getting any balance patches from now on, as character additions have been finalized.

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Any nerf involving Bowser. He didn't do nuffin'.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Bowser's latest nerf. That was atrocious. He was finally a good character but now Sakurai decided to send him back to the Shadow Realm after his brief stint in the land of high-tiers.

Bowser got nerferd? Wtf? What happened to him? What was the nerf?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Bowser got nerferd? Wtf? What happened to him? What was the nerf?

It has to do with his u-throw dealing more knockback, which makes it difficult for Bowser to perform follow-ups against higher damaged targets.

 

[Xandercosm]

Bowser got nerferd? Wtf? What happened to him? What was the nerf?

As, Mario & Sonic Guy said, they basically nerfed the buff they gave him in the last patch. I guess a month and a half was all Sakurai wanted Bowser mains to be happy for.

 

[Rinku リンク]

oh god shield breaker is actually BREAKING shields! BETTER NERF IT!

 

[Bedoop]

never getting a single buff even once is a nerf in itself
I mean c'mon
What did Dedede ever do to get absolutely nothing but nerfs
He even got a nerf where YOU CAN ESCAPE HIS FINAL SMASH DURING THE HITS AND AVOID THE BOMB ENTIRELY
GIVE THAT MAN A BUFF

 

[Xandercosm]

never getting a single buff even once is a nerf in itself
I mean c'mon
What did Dedede ever do to get absolutely nothing but nerfs
He even got a nerf where YOU CAN ESCAPE HIS FINAL SMASH DURING THE HITS AND AVOID THE BOMB ENTIRELY
GIVE THAT MAN A BUFF

Why/when did they nerf his Final Smash like that? It was already a weak piece of trash.

 

[Bedoop]

Why/when did they nerf his Final Smash like that? It was already a weak piece of trash.

1.0.4
AKA the "Let's just get rid of Vectoring and put DI back in because Wario's a broken mess" patch
AKA "The only patch before the Wii U version was released"
And it was never fixed since
ThanksSakurai

 

[Dark Phazon]

As, Mario & Sonic Guy said, they basically nerfed the buff they gave him in the last patch. I guess a month and a half was all Sakurai wanted Bowser mains to be happy for.

Wow....
Just curious were there any buffs or nerfs to Ganon, DK, DDD?

any buffs or nerfs at all any changes what so ever?

If anyone knows please reply

PS: The Big Gay Dance was a better FS...

 

[Xandercosm]

Wow....
Just curious were there any buffs or nerfs to Ganon, DK, DDD?

any buffs or nerfs at all any changes what so ever?

If anyone knows please reply

PS: The Big Gay Dance was a better FS...

I don't really think any of the heavies ever got many changes. Ganondorf got 1 frame off most of his aerials in the patch before the latest, though.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I don't really think any of the heavies ever got many changes. Ganondorf got 1 frame off most of his aerials in the patch before the latest, though.

Yh i know about that...hmmm..well thanks anyway keep on bowsing its funny how i mained bowser in Melee and Braw but not in Sm4sh and hes considered the best he has ever been in this iteration of Smash.

PS:


New

Anyone know a guy called "Seph^"
Thats his For Gloryname plays as Cloud with the Black coat outfit.

And has Anyone came across a guy in For Glory with the name
"VILLIANS"
he often plays as Ganon & DDD

 

[FallenHero]

Marth's shieldbreaker was nerfed when they changed the shield stun in this game, so now it can barely even break shields.

 

[Dar4]

Dedede's gordo nerf to the reflection threshold that happened before wii u version came out.

With the all the Cloud (down B) and Corrin (counter) jank we've seen lately and the refusual to balance Sheik's neutral, Rosa's Luma and Zero Suit's Up B, Luigi's kill confirm nerf seems unwarranted.

Bowser's nerf this patch was very unwarranted. He was MAYBE a mid tier character even with the hoo hah.

All I can say is that Rosalina's weight nerf seemed unnecessary. Heck, even the weight buff that Kirby received is rather redundant if you're only surviving 1% longer than before; it still doesn't save +18 defense Kirby from getting 1-hit KO'd by a +116 attack KO Uppercut from Little Mac.

I think she (and ZSS/Sheik) got off very easy. You're lucky Luma hasn't been touched. I'd be thrilled with the minor nerf if I was a Rosa main.

 

[itsmeMOB]

Mac's aerial side B. As a Mac main, of course, I'd be pissed over that on top of his already bad recovery.

I'm still a little bothered at ZSS's Boost Kick nerf because I felt like she was already a balanced character before and there was really no need to touch anything of her's.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Yoshi's dash attack endlag nerf and egglay startup nerf. Our neutral game is already kinda ass why make it worse in patch 1 lol

 

[Xandercosm]

Mac's aerial side B. As a Mac main, of course, I'd be pissed over that on top of his already bad recovery.

I'm still a little bothered at ZSS's Boost Kick nerf because I felt like she was already a balanced character before and there was really no need to touch anything of her's.

Yup. Cause ZSS sure was one heck of a balanced character. With her D-throw > U-air > U-special killing at 30% from a single grab. That was definitely balanced.

 

[FamilyTeam]

and got their Shield Breaker nerfed.
I still can break shields just fine, but... come on, nerfing Low Tiers? Specially after Marth got such a rough transition from Brawl to this game!

 

[MacSmitty]

I can point out a large list.

• Several Characters Down Smash's doing more damage and knockback at the back of the attack
• LandMaster, Great Aether, Triforce Slash all getting knockback and damage nerfs.
• Pac-Man's Hydrant Damage
• Mario's U-Air Damage
• Fox's Forward Air Damage, and His Down Air not like the ones in Brawl and Melee
• Toon Link's laggy Back-Air.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

I think Charizard and Ike were the only heavies who have been consistently buffed and kept their buffs, actually; Bowser got buffed, but then got nerfed right back down, while Dedede, DK and Ganon have received barely any buffs, and a few nerfs.

Ganon's already ****-tier, Sakurai, no need to nerf him more!

 

[Ceruliver]

The only nerf that really bothered me was the Luigi nerf. Not that I mained or even played Luigi at all.. It's just sad that finally there was a game where Luigi held the spotlight and was looked upon as anything other than a joke character, and then they just nerfed him to the ground.
Oh well, Mario will always be the superior one anyways.

 

[Xandercosm]

I think Charizard and Ike were the only heavies who have been consistently buffed and kept their buffs, actually; Bowser got buffed, but then got nerfed right back down, while Dedede, DK and Ganon have received barely any buffs, and a few nerfs.

Ganon's already ****-tier, Sakurai, no need to nerf him more!

DK got huge buffs. You forgot about Ding-Dong?

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

DK got huge buffs. You forgot about Ding-Dong?

Barely any in terms of quantity, not quality. I know all about the Ding-Dong.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Yup. Cause ZSS sure was one heck of a balanced character. With her D-throw > U-air > U-special killing at 30% from a single grab. That was definitely balanced.

To be fair, they nerfed the scaling on Boost Kick in 1.14. So now she's only a little braindead!

 

[Dar4]

and got their Shield Breaker nerfed.
I still can break shields just fine, but... come on, nerfing Low Tiers? Specially after Marth got such a rough transition from Brawl to this game!

In Sakurai's defense, they changed the shield breakers to match the nerf to shields a few patches back. That's my understanding.

 

[itsmeMOB]

Yup. Cause ZSS sure was one heck of a balanced character. With her D-throw > U-air > U-special killing at 30% from a single grab. That was definitely balanced.

It's not even a true combo. You can DI away from it and it's also dependent on the character's weight. Also, she barely has a neutral game to speak of and her prowess is from punishes and aerial combat.

Also, what ticked me off the most is the "nerf" Sheik got is nothing in comparison to what they did to Boost Kick. Vanish hardly got a nerf. Hardly.

 

[David Viran]

Yup. Cause ZSS sure was one heck of a balanced character. With her D-throw > U-air > U-special killing at 30% from a single grab. That was definitely balanced.

You say that like she can't do that anymore.