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Need some Marth advice

Strong Badam

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Hi. I've recently picked up Marth as a main. I recorded some matches and thought I might come here and ask for some advice :p
Also sorry most of them are against Falco because my friend mains Falco :\
http://www.youtube.com/user/Strongbad338guy <-- most recent 4 vids
If you guys could give me some advice I'd appreciate it a lot ^^

I could also use some help in counterpick choosing. The thread on counterpicks was confusing and had many conflicting posts :\
 

KirbyKaze

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fast fall after your uairs LOL

don't f-smash when he's so close

after u-throw around 30 just u-tilt

if he dis away at higher regrab. there's a post somewhere around here on %s regrab works at if they di away but i don't remember where. pm m2k or ask cactuar or something (actually cactuar might not know because he doesn't cg but he might know because he's cactuar it could be hit or miss).

di better. don't di away when he's going to bair you offstage. di away when you're being comboed or going to be comboed.

learn how to ledgedash w/ invincibility. you like do get-up attacks at the ledge and ledgehop fair mostly. do other stuff. you keep being punished for it LOL.

against space animals if they don't ban it pick fd. after that just pick where you feel comfortable and is neutral. marth = bad on gay stages.

nice cc on his bair into grab.
 

Brainjack

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umm....

1. less dsmash! unless those are accidents

2. try some other throws other than up, i.e. dthrow when facing away from edge

3. edgeguard better! a few times he just firebirds and you dont punish him, falco at around 170 on yoshi's is kinda unacceptable
 

Proverbs

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^Agreed. You could definitely be edgeguarding a whole lot better. Another thing that would be helpful for you is to watch the last match of the first set. He threestocked you. Now I know this doesn't happen all the time, but this match probably shows a lot of the mistakes that show up every now and then. Take a look and try to figure out on your own why you lost so badly that match--we can't give you all the answers.

But just one thing that might help. Take a look at that match at 7:13. You upsmash and he rolls away. If you upsmash and he goes about that far away and misses the tech like he did, f-smash immediately. It's times like that in which you may have just set up for a tipped f-smash. The upsmash can do that if they DI badly or don't tech. Upsmash isn't a great move to use in general, but if you accidentally use it and that happens, take advantage of the good opportunity.


Edit: Oh, and best way to improve your edgeguarding is just to take a look at professionals playing and if you are using the same techniques to edgeguard--why does it work for them and not for you? You might just be using a good edgeguard at the wrong time. Or you may not be timing it correctly. By watching their matches you can see whether or not you're doing something right. And another thing, if someone is going to Firefox/Firebird really close to the stage there are a few good options if you have the time. You can either run up and f-air, f-tilt, f-smash, or reverse Dolphin Blade. You want to try to take advantage of the time that they're just stalling. Because after that you don't know what direction they're going to go in. But you do know that for about a second they'll be sitting there and can't do anything. Use that time. Even a simple jab is better than waiting because it can lead to an edgehog to b-air or a spike or whatever. As long as you're calling the shots in a time when they're under pressure to make it back to the stage, you'll be doing fine.

Of course you want to be able to react to your opponent, too, but I'm just saying that forcing them to react when they're under such pressure can make them make a stupid mistake.
 

Miggz

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You have to work on your SHFFLs. You got shield grabbed way too much. Also, what do you use for your fairs/bairs/dairs? Do you use the C stick? If you don't, I recommend you use it for those aerials to help with your spacing. The goal with marth is to hit with the tip of the blade at all times. If you use the C stick you can use the analog stick to keep yourself spaced. Whereas if you use the analog and A buttons you can't control your spacing.

I also noticed that when you get off the stage you use your second jump first then forward b back. Don't do this. Use a few forward Bs first then your second jump.
 
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