Name your least favorite nerfs

[Tsukihi Araragi]

Let's play a game, I'll start.

Falco's forward smash taking a year to start up
Dancing Blade won't hold you in the air
No more pogoing with Toon Link's Dair (RIP </3)

Either way they're still my mains.

 

[Spirst]

Wario's air speed being decreased and his dair having more lag to the point where you can't SH approach with it.
Fox's lag on his laser
Olimar's decrease of pikmin colors
Charizard's rock smash having more lag and being less viable

And lastly, Fox's voice. Makes him almost unusable.

 

[Lemon Girl]

Marth, just Marth in general.

Everyone's lack of momentum transfer, RIP running spikes/knees of justice, they just felt GOOD.

 

[AdaptiveTrigger]

The first hit of Link's forward smash now bouncing the opponent up slightly instead of having its own individual knockback so that it *tries* to make it so the second hit can be combed into. Emphasis on the word "tries" since it sometimes bounces the opponent up too high causing the second hit to whiff causing Link to be punished. Also, I dislike how there is now less time to use the second strike of the forward smash so frame traps are less effective when the opponent tries to rush in to punish the first hit.

 

[Madolche ♦ Procione]

Here lies Ike's old jab strings and setups.
May you brofist in heaven.

 

[Plain Yogurt]

G&W's Flagman being so darn small.
No lag cancel on Falco lasers.
Fox's voice
Sonic's Taunt

 

[Tsukihi Araragi]

Marth, just Marth in general.

Yea... if sakurai keeps nerfing his range he's going end up fighting with a dagger. Another thing that really irks me is the way his grabs have too much knock back. Still not as bad as what they did to Falco's Dair.

 

[Locke 06]

Luigi's misfire probability.

 

[RoseLaddie]

Marth's range and lack of fancy short-hopped double f-airs, Falco's laser lag and Sonic's taunts (R.I.P.) are the only ones I can really think of right now, but they're pretty depressing.

 

[Mythra]

Falco's landing lag after down aerial
Zelda's Din's Fire reduced explosion range
Marth...all of him
Ike's Eruption being weaker in general
Ganondorf's stomp having a sourspot

 

[Xinc]

Marth's dair and dancing blade
Ganon side b is techable
Dr Mario's fist should be stronger

 

[Tsukihi Araragi]

Marth's dair

This too, *sigh*

Marth...all of him

He's still good, just not as good as he used to be.

 

[Jucchan]

Marth. Just Marth. WHYYY SAKURAI

 

[CampLow]

How did Olimar's Desync with the pikmin become even worse, come on Sakurai . I hope the wii u version doesn't have this issue.

 

[Tsukihi Araragi]

Marth...all of him

Marth. Just Marth. WHYYY SAKURAI

OKAY I think we get it now.

How did Olimar's Desync with the pikmin become even worse, come on Sakurai . I hope the wii u version doesn't have this issue.

The WiiU and 3DS versions are identical, sorry bud.

 

[Zumakito]

Another thing that really irks me is the way his grabs have too much knock back. Still not as bad as what they did to Falco's Dair.

I can't hear you over Kirby's crying.

 

[Cherubas]

Ness's spike. I've had people try to tell me it's better or something. It's not. The hitbox feels weird and even if you sweetspot it you can't get the insanely early cheap kills you could get on Brawl. Ness has been buffed in certain other ways, so I'm not going to complain too much, but his spike was always my favorite way to kill people, tied only with a really close PKT2 maybe.

 

[TheBlossomingLily]

's air speed.

 

[link2702]

falco....just..everything falco.

i wasn't even a falco main, nor did I use him all that much in brawl, but it was almost too cruel what they did to his laser game.

 

[Tsukihi Araragi]

falco....just..everything falco.

i wasn't even a falco main, nor did I use him all that much in brawl, but it was almost too cruel what they did to his laser game.

I can't hear you over Kirby's crying.

I main Falco and Marth.

 

[KingTeo]

Wow. All these serious nerfs are kind of depressing. Hopefully this'll cheer you guys up: As a Link main I've been enjoying generally amazing buffs to everything. So....you know. At least I'm happy.

Although Ike was pretty cool. shame he lost his jabbing arm.

 

[Cammed Z28]

Wow. All these serious nerfs are kind of depressing. Hopefully this'll cheer you guys up: As a Link main I've been enjoying generally amazing buffs to everything. So....you know. At least I'm happy.

Although Ike was pretty cool. shame he lost his jabbing arm.

THIS

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Pikachu's Thunder... I mean yeah I like that the cloud's a meteor smash but the vertical height was shortened a lot and it's generally tougher to hit with the bolt. :/

Lol yes Sonic's taunts don't feel as good to use. "C'mon, step it up!"

Also a few of Meta Knight's moves having absolutely terrible startup. I get that he needed nerfing but come on now I shouldn't have to wait a whole year to Side-B.

And last but not least no pogoing Toon Link's dair. </3

 

[Cherubas]

Pikachu's Thunder... I mean yeah I like that the cloud's a meteor smash but the vertical height was shortened a lot and it's generally tougher to hit with the bolt. :/

Lol yes Sonic's taunts don't feel as good to use. "C'mon, step it up!"

Also a few of Meta Knight's moves having absolutely terrible startup. I get that he needed nerfing but come on now I shouldn't have to wait a whole year to Side-B.

And last but not least no pogoing Toon Link's dair. </3

I wasn't even thinking of this stuff, but yes. I never got into Meta Knight (for one thing I couldn't kill with him at all and for another thing everyone else said he was godlike, two reasons I avoided him completely), but Pikachu was a character I liked to play casually from time to time. I loved his down smash and if I caught people sleeping with it I could sometimes follow it up with a double lightning bolt for the win on friends who failed their DI test. No more of that. And Sonic is MEANT to say "you're too slow!" That was the best part of playing him for me. Not giving him that taunt would be like.... Adding the Duck Hunt dog and not giving him his trademark 8-bit laugh or something.

 

[TeaTwoTime]

Just about everyone I played was buffed in Smash 4 (besides Marth) or had already received nerfs in Brawl that have carried over (Samus)... so I can't really complain too much. I suppose Marth's Fair ending and landing lag is the most annoying, but even then... meh, I'm not too bothered by it. None of the nerfs to ZSS bother me nearly enough for me to mention them either because her buffs just feel so great in comparison.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Ike's F-Air, I just don't understand why they even felt the need to nerf anything on him.

Falco everything, but most of all his D-Air.

Meta Knight range nerf, I know it's pretty lame to complain about MK nerfs of all things, but his priority, speed and power reduction was already enough when so many other characters have also been buffed, the range nerfs just feel bad. Not only that but his range isn't even properly indicated by his visual effects, so it's hard to judge when you'll hit and when you won't.

 

[BKTang']

G&W's Judgement 9 in HRC
DDD's Bair
Falco's spike (so slow!)
Toon Link's Dair (where is the bounce?)
French voice for Sonic... Hearing "vitesse sonique" when you taunt...

 

[BBC7]

Falco, although I like this 3rd reflector quite a bit. It's not like you actually reflect anything all that often with Brawl Shine.

 

[ZombieBran]

- Zelda's usmash range nerf. Sure its stronger now but I want the range dammit. Din's Fire is the same. I can't complain when she's a much better character than in Brawl/Melee, but still.

- Mario's damage nerfs across the board.

- Samus' missile land lag. Why.

 

[Hellrazor]

Ike's reach (blade length). Like, seriously, why? Was he not bad enough for you Sakurai? You had to nerf him even more? I wonder if Ike was actually considered OP with his original range in Sm4sh mechanics.

Marth's speed still being low is aggravating. I miss being able to tail my opponents all across the stage after a launch and pull off Sheik-like combos in the air. He's just a one hit wonder now it feels.

 

[D-idara]

- Marth being slower with less range.
- Fox's lasers not cancelling on landing.
- Samus' Super Missiles being slow as hell.
- Mario's Fireballs having a lot of cooldown between each other.

 

[Arcadenik]

They took away the gliding... Meta Knight, Pit, and Charizard aren't as fun as they used to be... oh, and Mario's cape no longer gives him a slight boost... ummm... that's it for now.

 

[DougX]

Why Luigi got any nerfs at all truly baffles me. I still love him and use him a lot as he does still have a lot of nice boons, a few great buffs, and potential, but was it necessary to weaken the knockback/power of some of his moves and the ultimately awesome height gain from Luigi Cyclone in Brawl?

 

[KirbySS44]

Kirby's inhale never seems to end especially when I'm in the air. Also his hammer is too slow and pretty much useless in a 1v1.

 

[adom4]

R.O.B's side tilt
Dorf's D-Air nerf (rip thunderstomping)
But the worst one IMO is to every single smash attack G&W has, they're nowhere near as powerful as they were in Brawl.

 

[Deathcarter]

-They just had to remove Ganondorf's dair autocancel didn't they?
-Ike having less kill power. Great idea, making the slow powerful guy less powerful...
-RIP Dedede's Brawl bair.

 

[_Magus_]

-Mk's nerfs. All of em. He may have been OP, but they went too far.
-Ganon's Dair autocancel (I miss curb stomping people )
-Ending lag and reduced range of Marth's Fair. That was my favorite move in all of brawl.
-Dx3's Bair. He just ain't the same.

 

[StarshipGroove]

Too many to count. In particular removing land-cancel on Super missiles and Fox's lasers, 7% damage for Ness fair (was 11% in Brawl, 15% in Melee), no thunderstomp, techable Flame Choke, nerfs to most meteor smashes, etc.
Talking about characters, Falco and G&W got beaten to death by an army's worth of nerf sticks, for who knows why. And why the **** was Dr. Mario nerfed so hard?

Hey, wasn't this game supposed to make every character feel satisfying? Just another of Sakurai's empty promises.

 

[Starman15]

Meta Knight. I get that he was "OP" in Brawl, but rather than balancing him, I feel like he's useless at this point. And the lack of gliding after using shuttle loop makes the move terrible.
Plus Marth's dancing blade is pretty bad, too.

 

[Terotrous]

Ganon side b is techable

This. I don't even play Ganon and it infuriates me.


Also, all nerfs to Zelda.