My Mafia Academia -- ENDGAME: Bites Za Dusto

[#HBC | Kary]

i have an ability that gives info to everyone after i die. is that a mafia ability?

im not helping my case because im legit cleared. im deku. deal with it.

 

[Z25]

i have an ability that gives info to everyone after i die. is that a mafia ability?

im not helping my case because im legit cleared. im deku. deal with it.

Deku or not your behavior towards people his game has been atrocious.

Learn better people skills

 

[#HBC | Kary]

lol okay dude you got me. game over.

 

[Dooplissity]

Very busy with gdc sorry guys.

Don't see much reason to doubt Kary if what Poyzin says is true. I don't trust the deku-claim itself, because we don't know for sure he's actually in the game. That said, there's no reason for him to have the post-after-death ability unless he's Town, unless he has some other power that can reasonably make that useful like death-lawyering, and I'm content to assume the odds of that being the case are functionally 0%. I also just straight don't think Kary's done anything I would brand as scummy so the push in that direction is super weird to me.

Need to parse poyzin's claim when I'm not tired as ****, but is there a good reason we just, like, dropped him today? Didn't we have consensus that he was likely Scum? It is because Pokechu flipped town or something?

Also do not like Ura's claim, definitely smells of bull****. He has no way of knowing there aren't still 2 main investigatives or roles with investigative shots. Hell, he should assume there are a bunch, otherwise it would be way too hard to win. Doesn't make sense for him to totally torch his wincon to retaliate at mafia for killing investigatives, especially given that only some are dead and presumably more are alive, so he still had low odds to win. Only makes sense if he's lying about the wincon and it's really something else. Dunno what that would be though. I'm gonna read back later and look for lyncher, since that fits the flavor way more than "wins if investigated a lot", which makes absolutely no goddamn sense for Stain (which is what he's gotta be given the flavor of blood scrape/roleblocking)

 

[Ura]

Also do not like Ura's claim, definitely smells of bull****. He has no way of knowing there aren't still 2 main investigatives or roles with investigative shots. Hell, he should assume there are a bunch, otherwise it would be way too hard to win. Doesn't make sense for him to totally torch his wincon to retaliate at mafia for killing investigatives, especially given that only some are dead and presumably more are alive, so he still had low odds to win. Only makes sense if he's lying about the wincon and it's really something else. Dunno what that would be though. I'm gonna read back later and look for lyncher, since that fits the flavor way more than "wins if investigated a lot", which makes absolutely no goddamn sense for Stain (which is what he's gotta be given the flavor of blood scrape/roleblocking)

Leaps of assumptions right here.

1. Why the hell do you think I would claim Indy as a potential Mafioso?

2 . What exactly do you think I was doing D3 trying to get investigative roles to search me?

3. The game is already close to being over given we don't make the right moves. There's no assurance that these roles will even bother to search me given that none did beforehand when I made the effort.

Seriously, with all due respect, pull your head out of your ass.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Your not helping your case here.

I’m illiterate? Really enlighten me then.


Why the hell does deku have a tracker? And following in all nights footsteps is a bs excuse in my book. Especially when in season 3 his arc is about not being allmight but his own person.

I've watched one episode of my hero acadamia and Deku literally spends half running around writing things he notices about heroes in his notebook, makes sense as a normal ability. Granted I'm sure things greatly changed after I stopped watching but I think the notebook/following makes sense partially for Deku.

Very busy with gdc sorry guys.

Don't see much reason to doubt Kary if what Poyzin says is true. I don't trust the deku-claim itself, because we don't know for sure he's actually in the game. That said, there's no reason for him to have the post-after-death ability unless he's Town, unless he has some other power that can reasonably make that useful like death-lawyering, and I'm content to assume the odds of that being the case are functionally 0%. I also just straight don't think Kary's done anything I would brand as scummy so the push in that direction is super weird to me.

Need to parse poyzin's claim when I'm not tired as ****, but is there a good reason we just, like, dropped him today? Didn't we have consensus that he was likely Scum? It is because Pokechu flipped town or something?

Poyzin ended yesterday saying he was going to claim so I wanted to wait for his full claim until I started talking about him. In regards Poyzin's claim, I don't think he lied about Kary, but knowing the name of one of Kary's abilities doesn't 100% sell me on Poyzin being town. Also, claiming that he has blocked Penguin (through extension of Z25) I feel like is him trying to subtly "clear" penguin at the same time.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

UtopianPoyzin can you summarize your night actions in order please. im still not sure on details like who you wanted to target last night.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

If I had to guess, I would put ura's wincon at something like 'you win when you have bloodscraped a majority of living players'.

Possible he is telling the truth, but i'm reluctant to keep him alive.

I'm assuming it's 3 mafia + 1 indy and we have sufficient lynches here.

Still want Just a penguin to claim today.

 

[Ura]

If I had to guess, I would put ura's wincon at something like 'you win when you have bloodscraped a majority of living players'.

Possible he is telling the truth, but i'm reluctant to keep him alive.

I'm assuming it's 3 mafia + 1 indy and we have sufficient lynches here.

Still want Just a penguin to claim today.

No offense but the cognitive dissonance is strong within you. I literally just came out saying what I did D3 was to get investigative roles to search me and you still harp about this nonsense?

And literally how do I bloodscrape the majority of players in like 7-8 Nights? How is that feasible in a game that can end in like 4-6 Day/Night Shifts?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

your opinion is irrelevant. thanks anyways

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Targets #HBC | Kary .

N1: Doc-if-dies-reflect: Pokechu
N2: No action.
N3: Norm-Abilities-reveal: Kary
N4: RB-can't-be-targeted: Ura -> Penguin

 

[#HBC | Kary]

UtopianPoyzin so ura is lying about blocking you night 3?

 

[Ura]

your opinion is irrelevant. thanks anyways

Yeah thanks for admitting you know absolutely nothing.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Kary, I still have "please shut up now" that I can use tonight. I saved it for last, because while it is helpful with preventing the mafia from voting, we no longer can vote for them. The strategy is pretty tricky...

 

[Ura]

UtopianPoyzin so ura is lying about blocking you night 3?

I never said anything about that. My Bloodscrape only works so that I take blood one night and only the next am I able to use it on someone.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

UtopianPoyzin so ura is lying about blocking you night 3?

I couldn't know, I'm not Ura. All I know is that i got your normal abilties that night.

 

[Ura]

I couldn't know, I'm not Ura. All I know is that i got your normal abilties that night.

Kary is just being an a-hole for the sake of it now. And it's really showing.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Kary is just being an a-hole for the sake of it now. And it's really showing.

Wait, why was I quoted? Also let's keep the tensions down before this turns into a saltfest.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Sure, I got nothing to hide.

N1: Bloodscraped Jojaloe (who's been replaced)
N2: Blade Block
N3: Bloodscraped Utopian
N4: Bloodscrape attempt on GLG which redirected in to Red Ryu

I never said anything about that. My Bloodscrape only works so that I take blood one night and only the next am I able to use it on someone.

Can you elaborate what you mean by bloodscrape? IIRC you said you tried to block me, but you're also saying you didn't block Poyzon even though you're using the same ability name to describe your actions on both of us.

 

[Ura]

Can you elaborate what you mean by bloodscrape? IIRC you said you tried to block me, but you're also saying you didn't block Poyzon even though you're using the same ability name to describe your actions on both of us.

Bloodscrape: Scraping someone's blood.

Bloodcurdle: Using it another night to roleblock someone.

So far, i've never been able to Bloodcurdle anyone.

Wait, why was I quoted? Also let's keep the tensions down before this turns into a saltfest.

"your opinion is irrelevant but thanks anyways" Is a pretty douchy thing to say.

Asking me what I did every night, complying, and then asserting who I am despite knowing nothing is also disingenuous.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Kary, I still have "please shut up now" that I can use tonight. I saved it for last, because while it is helpful with preventing the mafia from voting, we no longer can vote for them. The strategy is pretty tricky...

This question extends out to everybody. Who do I target with this, because this is the move I saved for last because i dont have a good idea for it? (Hopefully mafia doesn't reply first)

 

[giraffelasergun]

This question extends out to everybody. Who do I target with this, because this is the move I saved for last because i dont have a good idea for it? (Hopefully mafia doesn't reply first)

At this stage in the game I wouldn't use it since it seems we have multiple redirectors.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

ura's opinion is irrelevant because he's claimed indy. there is no reason to trust him.

his repetition that i know nothing makes me wonder if i struck a nerve with my guess of his wincon.

 

[Ura]

ura's opinion is irrelevant because he's claimed indy. there is no reason to trust him.

his repetition that i know nothing makes me wonder if i struck a nerve with my guess of his wincon.

Just stop. Please.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

i don't know whether it is safe for us to kill ura today, but given his reflector ability i dont see how else town is supposed to deal with him.

i would expect 3 mafia 1 indy but this game is also very high powered.

 

[Ura]

And again because apparently I have to reiterate...

And literally how do I bloodscrape the majority of players in like 7-8 Nights? How is that feasible in a game that can end in like 4-6 Day/Night Shifts?

Yeah, def sweating bullets on that one.

 

[Ura]

If a townie gets lynched at the end of this phase and Mafia gets their kill at the end of N5, then they win. It would be 2 V 2 V 1 which is usually the win-con for them.

So worst case scenario, i'm willing to prevent this from happening and make myself the lynch this phase. That way, the game extends in to D6 and beyond if Town plays right. And also a smaller pool of users to choose from making it harder for Mafia to avoid the lynch.

It's an idea that I would rather have then another mislynch.

 

[Ura]

More specially, if i'm lynched here in D5 and a townie dies in N5, the game would be 3 V 2.

A game with only 5 players left would make it a lot more feasible for Town to deduce who's who.

 

[Ura]

specially

*specifically*

Curse you no edit rule!

 

[#HBC | Kary]

pretty sure ura misread my post at this point

 

[Dooplissity]

Leaps of assumptions right here.

1. Why the hell do you think I would claim Indy as a potential Mafioso?

2 . What exactly do you think I was doing D3 trying to get investigative roles to search me?

3. The game is already close to being over given we don't make the right moves. There's no assurance that these roles will even bother to search me given that none did beforehand when I made the effort.

Seriously, with all due respect, pull your head out of your ***.

1) Oof, big strawman. I didn't say I thought you were mafia, I thought your claim was bull****. I still think your claim is bull****. "why would I claim indy as mafia" is obvious, and it should be obvious to you too - town generally lynches mafia, so that pulls you out of the lynch pool. I'm leaning towards you actually being indy, though, so it's irrelevant anyway.

2) *shrug* Could be any number of things. Maybe you passively bloodscrape people who target you (would make sense as a combo with reflection), maybe you wanted to be tracked to prove your actions and make setting up a claim easier later, maybe something else entirely. It's not really worth speculating.

3) No ****, there's no assurance you'll (supposedly) win the game. It wouldn't be much of a game if there were, lol. That doesn't mean it makes sense for you to torch your wincon. I think it's more likely you're mad about being redirected from GLG to RR, than you suddenly said **** it because the bodyguard died.

And again because apparently I have to reiterate...

Yeah, def sweating bullets on that one.

Sweating more than reading, apparently. Kary said majority of LIVING players. That's a common TP role and very often wins when games go to like, 3 man endgames.

I'm very leery of wasting a lynch on an indy when that could put us in double-lylo tomorrow. I don't think I can endorse Ura lynch.

i don't know whether it is safe for us to kill ura today, but given his reflector ability i dont see how else town is supposed to deal with him.

i would expect 3 mafia 1 indy but this game is also very high powered.

Let him win? Like, him winning or losing doesn't affect us that much, unless he's secretly a neutral survivor and will **** us in LyLo, but I don't think that's the world we're in.

 

[Ura]

pretty sure ura misread my post at this point

ura's opinion is irrelevant because he's claimed indy. there is no reason to trust him.

his repetition that i know nothing makes me wonder if i struck a nerve with my guess of his wincon.

"You're mad because I guessed your wincon"

And now here I am willing to be today's lynch. What point exactly am I missing?

1) Oof, big strawman. I didn't say I thought you were mafia, I thought your claim was bull****. I still think your claim is bull****. "why would I claim indy as mafia" is obvious, and it should be obvious to you too - town generally lynches mafia, so that pulls you out of the lynch pool. I'm leaning towards you actually being indy, though, so it's irrelevant anyway.

2) *shrug* Could be any number of things. Maybe you passively bloodscrape people who target you (would make sense as a combo with reflection), maybe you wanted to be tracked to prove your actions and make setting up a claim easier later, maybe something else entirely. It's not really worth speculating.

3) No ****, there's no assurance you'll (supposedly) win the game. It wouldn't be much of a game if there were, lol. That doesn't mean it makes sense for you to torch your wincon. I think it's more likely you're mad about being redirected from GLG to RR, than you suddenly said **** it because the bodyguard died.

1) Then why even entertain the idea? Why?

2) Why do you think I was asking for all investigative roles to search me then? If I just said "anyone with the tracker should track me this phase" is one thing but I specifically asked for all investigatives.

3) What i'm not pleased about is my losing my wincon. I made that clear already and I have zero stake in this game other than to spite Mafia. If I couldn't get the investigatives before, why would I win now? Think man, think.

Sweating more than reading, apparently. Kary said majority of LIVING players. That's a common TP role and very often wins when games go to like, 3 man endgames.

I'm very leery of wasting a lynch on an indy when that could put us in double-lylo tomorrow. I don't think I can endorse Ura lynch.


Let him win? Like, him winning or losing doesn't affect us that much, unless he's secretly a neutral survivor and will **** us in LyLo, but I don't think that's the world we're in.

Making it living players only would only make it harder for me. How exactly am I supposed to do that and be expected to use any of my other abilities? I think it's you who's pretty slow my friend.

But **** it, I don't think we're going to make any progress here today and i'd rather see myself be lynched then Mafia getting an easy win this phase.

Unvote

Vote: Ura

 

[giraffelasergun]

Ura if you’re going to insult people you please actually read their posts.

Kary is saying they think your wincon is to have used bloodstain on a majority of the living players. Currently, you’re at 2 for 7. If you use it successfully on someone else tonight and someone outside of those three would die you would win. It is not an uncommon win condition for Indy’s to have used their ability on a majority of the players alive.

 

[Ura]

Ura if you’re going to insult people you please actually read their posts.

Kary is saying they think your wincon is to have used bloodstain on a majority of the living players. Currently, you’re at 2 for 7. If you use it successfully on someone else tonight and someone outside of those three would die you would win. It is not an uncommon win condition for Indy’s to have used their ability on a majority of the players alive.

Again, not feasible in a game that could end well before that. 7 Bloodscrapes is not feasible when I also have other abilities to use like Bloodcurdle and Blade Block.

But if folks are so sure about me lying, then they should lynch me so it'll blow up in their face. Hell, I want to see that happen.

 

[Dooplissity]

Again, not feasible in a game that could end well before that. 7 Bloodscrapes is not feasible when I also have other abilities to use like Bloodcurdle and Blade Block.

But if folks are so sure about me lying, then they should lynch me so it'll blow up in their face. Hell, I want to see that happen.

Majority =\= all.

Chill out and actually read.

 

[Just a penguin]

Info stuff for anybody suspicious of me.

1. I’m Eraserhead. Therefore, I can stop other people from using their abilities during the night for my quirk ability. I haven’t been using this much because it seems like all the abilities are at least neutral instead if helping scum and potentially helping the town. I can also redirect actions towards myself. The most I could do with this is redirect votes towards me, which, obviously, sounds like a bad idea.
2. Sorry I haven’t posted much, but I’ve been on vacation for my birthday (check my profile).

 

[Ura]

Majority =\= all.

Chill out and actually read.

Be it a majority or everyone doesn't make a difference. Even if it was like a majority out of 7 in which case it would be way too easy.

Do you think that's a fair wincon to have in this game? Hell, I don't even think my real win-con which I told everyone about is fair either. Having to get searched two nights in a row.

That being said, I see merit in being the lynch unless we're absolutely sure of someone being scum which doesn't seem to be the case. Better to have an indy go out then lose two townies by D6 and have Mafia win.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Info stuff for anybody suspicious of me.

1. I’m Eraserhead. Therefore, I can stop other people from using their abilities during the night for my quirk ability. I haven’t been using this much because it seems like all the abilities are at least neutral instead if helping scum and potentially helping the town. I can also redirect actions towards myself. The most I could do with this is redirect votes towards me, which, obviously, sounds like a bad idea.
2. Sorry I haven’t posted much, but I’ve been on vacation for my birthday (check my profile).

Haven't been using it much or haven't used it all?

 

[Just a penguin]

Haven't been using it much or haven't used it all?

Haven’t used it much. I’ve been on the Social Thread a bit, but due to the Night stuff and lack of content until recently, I haven’t been on the Mafia thread recently.

 

[Z25]

I've watched one episode of my hero acadamia and Deku literally spends half running around writing things he notices about heroes in his notebook, makes sense as a normal ability. Granted I'm sure things greatly changed after I stopped watching but I think the notebook/following makes sense partially for Deku.



Poyzin ended yesterday saying he was going to claim so I wanted to wait for his full claim until I started talking about him. In regards Poyzin's claim, I don't think he lied about Kary, but knowing the name of one of Kary's abilities doesn't 100% sell me on Poyzin being town. Also, claiming that he has blocked Penguin (through extension of Z25) I feel like is him trying to subtly "clear" penguin at the same time.

Fair point I kind of forgot the journal thing considering it’s destroyed early on and we only see this ability effectively used here and there throughout the show. It takes a back seat though compared to the first season.

Bloodscrape: Scraping someone's blood.

Bloodcurdle: Using it another night to roleblock someone.

So far, i've never been able to Bloodcurdle anyone.

"your opinion is irrelevant but thanks anyways" Is a pretty douchy thing to say.

Asking me what I did every night, complying, and then asserting who I am despite knowing nothing is also disingenuous.

Honestly kary shouldn’t be allowed t act like this. If I was host I would have issued a warning st this point. They are being a **** just t be one for no reason and that’s not fun to play with.

Also if we lynch you I wouldn’t say it necessary helps town. Yeah the pool would be smaller but there’s likely two scum left. Meaning they stand a strong chance of manipulating the pool so town loses.