My Luigi

[The Grinch]

I've been a Luigi main since SSB64. I've got plenty of experience, been to tournaments and beaten top tier players like NicK (He never really had a handle so it's hard to recognize him, but if you know him he plays mostly Fox and Falcon, incredible guy). Never use anyone else but Luigi at tournies.

Anyways I just wanted to get that out there so no one thinks I just picked him up in Brawl and claimed "I'm the best" all of a sudden with no background---regardless I'm not even claiming I'm the best.

So without further ado, here's a couple vids that myself and a not so well known smasher made a few nites ago. I'm not sure if I should only be posting vids in the video section (Which I already did lol) but I figured since I main Luigi this would be okay? If not, may and admin...admin it =]

Comments welcome!!! Both negative and positive, thanks!!


Match 1: The Greench (me as Luigi, obviously) vs Garlick Jr (Wario player)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnQtXEJ8TKM&feature=related


Match 2:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kChLgTJQQWc&feature=related


Oh, and quick info on my thoughts of Luigi (Since other smashers have asked me) in Brawl:

-Fair nerfed, bair buffed.

-Misfire nerfed...not sure if the normal missile is nerfed, feels the same to me. The strength of the misfire definitely feels right to me though in Brawl, but definitely the range is gone.

-Tornado MUCH easier to gain distance with, but that's obvious. Actual mechanics are buffed imo. Comboes and the last hit has knockback.

-Best way to advance on an opponent now is with Bair, even moreso then in Melee. I used to use it to advance, but in Brawl it's 100% amazing for spacing.

In general I feel he is still the same, considering I can still do the same comboes just as awesomely. Obviously the only real differences are Brawl differences, not so much Luigi differences, as in the physics etc.

He's definitely still amazing.

Thanks for reading and watching.

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EDIT: New recorded match. Practicing for an upcoming tourny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZOPougvAI

Again, comments/suggestions/concerns, thanks! =]

 

[knche]

I like fights like the truth we seem much in the style and hurt that I have no videos to teach now

I feel bad that at this moment I do not have the wi-fi internet to play online

 

[HOHO420]

You sir, are a luigi god. I would be honored to fight your luigi. PM if you want accept.

 

[The Grinch]

You sir, are a luigi god. I would be honored to fight your luigi. PM if you want accept.

Holy shiit.

That's a huge complement, thanks a lot man, I really appreciate that.

I can send you my friend code some time, although I don't have a great wi-fi connection so it won't be the most "lag free" fight =/

But yeah, thanks a lot man, definitely boosted the spirits.

Edit: Just added my FC onto my profile.

 

[HOHO420]

Honestly, like I have fought a couple luigis. I never seen any of them combo like that.

 

[mossdog]

not as many up b's as I was expecting. great luigi man

 

[C 3]

Good stuff, love the Fort Minor song!

TIPS:

- Don't overuse the aerials, they become weaker with use, so it can cost u in the long run.

- Ledge hop aerials

- Use jab to grab/smash/tilt/Up B

- Don't always rush in, space ur moves and avoid hits.

- Make more of an effort to punish your opponent's whiffed attacks. You could have finished him much earlier if u did.

Not bad, keep it up!!

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[The Grinch]

Good stuff, love the Fort Minor song!

TIPS:

- Don't overuse the aerials, they become weaker with use, so it can cost u in the long run.

- Ledge hop aerials

- Use jab to grab/smash/tilt/Up B

- Don't always rush in, space ur moves and avoid hits.

- Make more of an effort to punish your opponent's whiffed attacks. You could have finished him much earlier if u did.

Not bad, keep it up!!

-

Ledge hop aerial with the way fair is NOW, and against Wario, is suicide lol. Wario's fair, dair and even bair just outreach my fair. Even my own nair doesn't beat out Wario's fair, the kick is just too high.

Anyways, thanks for all the tips!!! Yeah the moves do become weaker with use, but his bair is his bread and butter aerial in Brawl IMO. Best spacing, reach, and smash.

 

[C 3]

Ledge hop aerial with the way fair is NOW, and against Wario, is suicide lol. Wario's fair, dair and even bair just outreach my fair. Even my own nair doesn't beat out Wario's fair, the kick is just too high.

Anyways, thanks for all the tips!!! Yeah the moves do become weaker with use, but his bair is his bread and butter aerial in Brawl IMO. Best spacing, reach, and smash.

I didn't say Fair. Uair has good reach and keeps ppl off u. Also, if u ledge hop and quickly press back, u can do a Bair. Just because his Bair is good doesn't mean u overuse it until it gets to the point where it's weak and useless.

 

[The Grinch]

I didn't say Fair. Uair has good reach and keeps ppl off u. Also, if u ledge hop and quickly press back, u can do a Bair. Just because his Bair is good doesn't mean u overuse it until it gets to the point where it's weak and useless.

Are you saying I can bair TOWARDS my opponent after a ledge hop, while facing him? Kinda like the reverse neutral b trick? Or do you just mean I should ledge hop, move towards my opponent as fast as I can, and then bair? If it's the first one, that's kickass.

I don't know if I'd agree on you with the uair having good reach, I think it really depends on the character's placement. If he's stupid enough (lol) to stand on the edge, I can drop and then quickly jump and uair, but if he's about a few steps back, it's pretty hard to get the hit without trading or such. I guess if he jumps, I can ledge hop then try and uair, but it seems too futile to me.

I honestly think you're making the "decayed moves" thing a bigger deal than it really is. It doesn't gimp the bair as badly as you make it out to be.

But for argument's sake, if you have a link to a thread/video/whatever that talks about how much % and smash you lose per use, I'd love to check it out. I could've sworn that just hitting your opponent with a different move sort of resets it right then and there. To be honest I don't know too much in the actual technical department of the decay, only go off of how my moves seem to perform for me.

Again though, either way, I really don't think the moves decay bad enough to the point where I should switch out very often. The bair juggles very nicely, so does the uair, but the bair has much better spacing.

Great discussion! Thanks for your comments so far.

 

[Rhambo]

Honestly, like I have fought a couple luigis. I never seen any of them combo like that.

I completely agree.
The Greench, you are skilled. A lot of people are complaining on how hard it is to combo, but you pulled off the sickest Brawl Luigi combos I have ever seen.

 

[The Grinch]

I completely agree.
The Greench, you are skilled. A lot of people are complaining on how hard it is to combo, but you pulled off the sickest Brawl Luigi combos I have ever seen.

Again, I appreciate every comment I get, thank you very much. It means a lot to know my practice and dedication pays off.

 

[dinhotheone]

wow, more vids please! your good.

 

[C 3]

Are you saying I can bair TOWARDS my opponent after a ledge hop, while facing him? Kinda like the reverse neutral b trick? Or do you just mean I should ledge hop, move towards my opponent as fast as I can, and then bair? If it's the first one, that's kickass.

I don't know if I'd agree on you with the uair having good reach, I think it really depends on the character's placement. If he's stupid enough (lol) to stand on the edge, I can drop and then quickly jump and uair, but if he's about a few steps back, it's pretty hard to get the hit without trading or such. I guess if he jumps, I can ledge hop then try and uair, but it seems too futile to me.

I honestly think you're making the "decayed moves" thing a bigger deal than it really is. It doesn't gimp the bair as badly as you make it out to be.

But for argument's sake, if you have a link to a thread/video/whatever that talks about how much % and smash you lose per use, I'd love to check it out. I could've sworn that just hitting your opponent with a different move sort of resets it right then and there. To be honest I don't know too much in the actual technical department of the decay, only go off of how my moves seem to perform for me.

Again though, either way, I really don't think the moves decay bad enough to the point where I should switch out very often. The bair juggles very nicely, so does the uair, but the bair has much better spacing.

Great discussion! Thanks for your comments so far.

I'm not sure which one this is, but I mean ledge hop, and Bair, with the Bair aimed towards the opponent on the stage. Luigi's reach on his Uair isn't terrible, but his Bair easily surpasses it. If ur opponent is close to the edge, almost any aerial will suffice. If he's away, chances are u could ledge hop, they'll probably approach, and then aerial. I'm not trying to say that the weakened moves are garbage, i'm not simply saying it should b avoided if possible. Yes, those aerials do juggle nicely and Bair does have better spacing than the Uair.

 

[The Grinch]

I'm not sure which one this is, but I mean ledge hop, and Bair, with the Bair aimed towards the opponent on the stage. Luigi's reach on his Uair isn't terrible, but his Bair easily surpasses it. If ur opponent is close to the edge, almost any aerial will suffice. If he's away, chances are u could ledge hop, they'll probably approach, and then aerial. I'm not trying to say that the weakened moves are garbage, i'm not simply saying it should b avoided if possible. Yes, those aerials do juggle nicely and Bair does have better spacing than the Uair.

lol, maybe I misunderstand the term ledge hop...? I thought I always knew what ledge hop meant, but the way you're describing it I'm starting to think I've misunderstood the term.

Ledge hop means when you're hanging onto the ledge, and then you let go and do your second jump onto the stage?

 

[VEC]

I would be honored to beat the **** out of your luigi with mine.

 

[RayAllen123]

Okay...lets start by saying I am a competitive player, I play pros and consider myself a "pro". I almost never post here, but I lurk looking for strategies...

You are the best Luigi player, and you are one of the top Brawl players.

Truly amazing!

 

[Blistering Speed]

(these impressions are from the first vid)
You have a very good Luigi in terms of comboing, one of the best I've seen. Your aerial game is also top notch (very nice B air spacing).
I'll just concentrate on your flaws as im sure that'll help you more.
- Luigi has some good smashes, use them. Seriously, there were so many times you could have finished that Wario much earlier with a well timed F Smash/ U Smash.
- Needs moar jab cancelling. Seriously, that can lead into just about anything.
- Now your aerial game is very good, turn to getting you're Up B timing down.
- Needs moar fierBlzz!
Honestly if you get F Smash + jab cancelled B Up right, you'll be one of the, if not the best Luigi in the world atm.

 

[The Grinch]

VEC: I don't know if that's a complement or an insult, lol =P

RavAllen123: Thank you very much, that means a lot coming from another competitive player!

Blistering Speed: Wow, a huge complement and great suggestions, thank you!

Thanks a lot you guys, I appreciate all the comments and suggestions!!!

 

[The Grinch]

Just added a new match video onto youtube again, you guys know the drill! Thanks in advance, you guys make the passion and dedication possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZOPougvAI

 

[Wolt]

I have to say, your ability to combo in the air astounds me, even with it being brawl. If anything, using the moves so much and having them decrease in and damage and knockback just lets you combo more...

I use Luigi as a secondary, but your vids make me want to main him much more.

 

[The Grinch]

I have to say, your ability to combo in the air astounds me, even with it being brawl. If anything, using the moves so much and having them decrease in and damage and knockback just lets you combo more...

I use Luigi as a secondary, but your vids make me want to main him much more.

YES, that's actually kind of why the diminishing damage never bothered me!! Someone agrees aha. Everyone's usually telling me "stop spamming bair and start smashing!" Combos are fun though...lol.

Thanks for the comment =]

 

[Wolt]

Well I think it brings up the point about overall survivability, when you combo a bunch you rack of damage, but with the usual kill move at half power you can't finish the opponent like you normally would, which could cause you to take more damage in the long run. But I still like the comboing, it really annoys people sometimes.

 

[The Grinch]

Well I think it brings up the point about overall survivability, when you combo a bunch you rack of damage, but with the usual kill move at half power you can't finish the opponent like you normally would, which could cause you to take more damage in the long run. But I still like the comboing, it really annoys people sometimes.

I thought the diminishing damage only applies to the move you constantly use?

Example: I spam Bair constantly on my opponent, the next time I use a smash attack, it will be weaker as well? I could've SWORN moves diminished themselves only (So in this case, Bair would be weak until he loses his stock/I use different moves, or something to that effect), not that all your moves decrease in damage.

 

[Wolt]

Sorry, I get what your saying, I'm just used to killing in the air. I was talking about during your combos if you wanted to finish them off with a bair, you wouldn't be able to, unless you were close to the wall.

 

[Jeremy Smith]

in that new video, either that olimar was bad or you are just amazing ... i have a feeling based on watching ur videos that its the later .. between watching your videos and voids you guys make me never want to stop playing luigi ... except when i feel like throwing nanners that is. But **** dude you have some serious skill.

 

[The Grinch]

Sorry, I get what your saying, I'm just used to killing in the air. I was talking about during your combos if you wanted to finish them off with a bair, you wouldn't be able to, unless you were close to the wall.

Ah, gotcha!

 

[The Grinch]

in that new video, either that olimar was bad or you are just amazing ... i have a feeling based on watching ur videos that its the later .. between watching your videos and voids you guys make me never want to stop playing luigi ... except when i feel like throwing nanners that is. But **** dude you have some serious skill.

Trust me, that Olimar player is a LOT better than that, he was just having a bad day >_< He's gotten me to 2 stock before.

Thanks man! I appreciate your comment! Luigi is amazing if played right, just like any other character.

I hear a lot about this Void guy. If the wi-fi matches didn't have ****ty connection, I'd challenge him, ah ha.

Oh well, if we're both as good as we hope we are, we'll see each other at OC, MLG or Evo 2k8.

 

[dinhotheone]

wow good luigi, why are there only 3 vids up though? i and everyone else impresed especially by your olimar performance would like to see more from you. great job though.

 

[The Grinch]

wow good luigi, why are there only 3 vids up though? i and everyone else impresed especially by your olimar performance would like to see more from you. great job though.

Thanks a lot, appreciate the complements!!!

I'm gonna have as many match vids as I can until everyone gets sick of me, lol. But like I told someone else before, I'm trying to only record vids of me vs new/different people, that way you won't see me fighting the same person in 10 different videos.

Heck, I only put up TWO videos of me vs Garlick Jr, the Wario player, and I've got dozens of emails/pms/comments about the first video, and only like 3 on the second. It was practically forgotten about.

So I figure new/different people is always better to keep the flavor up!

Definitely trying my best though to post up any videos I can get soon, I have a practice smashfest this week. Bunch of friends, and friends of friends are coming over to my place, so I'll record all of my own matches that I can.

Thanks for your interest so far everyone!!!! Words of encouragement keep me strong!

 

[Wolt]

You wouldn't happen to be taking challenges would you?

 

[The Grinch]

You wouldn't happen to be taking challenges would you?

Eh, I don't really wi-fi all that much >_< The lag is terrible on my side.

I mean, I could play you if you'd really like to, but I can't guarantee a good match lol.

 

[tropewhat]

these vids are great! i'm trying to get decent with luigi's up+b and you used it really well in the olimar match

anyway i would love to see some matches against zelda, marth, and falco in particular, as i have trouble against these characters and always seem to be playing them =I

 

[The Grinch]

these vids are great! i'm trying to get decent with luigi's up+b and you used it really well in the olimar match

anyway i would love to see some matches against zelda, marth, and falco in particular, as i have trouble against these characters and always seem to be playing them =I

I'm having another practice session tomorrow, I'll record any matches against the said above characters.

 

[Wolt]

Well we could try it, and since we're close, it may make the lag not as bad.

 

[Tehchase13]

what part of anaheim do you live in, i don't live too far from there i'll come challenge you

 

[PolMex23]

=). People like you make me smile. Those people are modest, honest, respectable, and nice. And the main fact that I like about you is that you main Luigi, a very underused and very disrespected. Therefor, I commend you xD.

Also, your really good with him.

Ive been maining Luigi since 64 also. Ive always loved his style. A fluid, floating, goofy style really stuck to me. The wave dashing abillity made his mind games pretty good in melee. And he has one of the most unforgiving counters in the game...the up-B. The only other character I could play at tourney level was just introduced to me, which is DDD.

When I saw you on youtube, before I saw this post, I saw Luigis for Brawl that was just...horrible. Ultras...garbage. An I forgot the others,..all garbage to me.
I mean, in melee, we had Drephen xD (ahh, my hero)

Yet I saw you and I smiled, since It saved me from vomiting xD.

Yet, like my sig states, I think Im better than you xD. Ima post up vids i believe sunday, for im going to a tourney this sat at Gigabits in Orlando. Ive been to 3 already, and I won a tourney at sarasota at Darkside Comics. The other 2 tourneys, I suicided =(, or got 9'ned by a Mr. G&W. ( I woulda won if I didnt get that crit hammer. Oh, I was at 0% too =( )

But, Ill let the vid back up my words. =)

Good luigi man. All i can say is cycle your airs, also double them too as your coming down. Try to taunt down spike someone if you notice they hang on the ledges too long. You should get real close an try the side dodge Up-bs....and on platforms u can do the, they landed right above you, start to roll or get up, time your jump right so your right on them as soon as the animation of them being invincible stobs, then up-b. His up-b is the trump card, I believe, and it is what can make Luigi top tier.

Other than that ty for having a good luigi xD.

 

[Deleted member]

I dont play luigi, but very good. Your aerial game is great, love the bairs. Again i dont play luigi, but ive played some good ones, and jab to fire punch is too good =P Also, like previously said, for your kills try some smashes. YOu dont need to say aerial ALL the time. Also at high percents u can try for some grabs, since each grab attack helps regenerate your moves, which will really help keep your aerials at full power. I believe it takes 10 hits to regenerate your moves, so 5 grab attacks plus a throw is already 6.

I dont think you are the best (no offence, you are amazing, but i would go so far as to say the best luigi), but you definately could become the best. Very solid, good job =)

 

[The Grinch]

Pol and Burnt:

Thanks a lot for your comments and suggestions! It's always nice to hear complements from other smashers who can also give me constructive criticism =]

Pol: Looking forward to those vids man. Maybe we'll see each other at a big tournament one day and settle the score!

Burnt: I'm gonna put more throws in my game now, that all sounds great. But throws don't look as cool as juggling =P

Thanks for all the comments everyone! More vids to come soon.

 

[josh123]

id like to play your luigi with mine.