My first team

[Fuelbi]

Awww man this took forever but I constructed a team for which purpose is to be rated to improve upon on so I can participate in the tests of skills that people often host.

I kinda used smogon to help me make the teams if it doesnt matter.

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Nature-bold
EV- Att 252/ Def 4/ Spe 252


Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Earthquake



Porygon-z @ Life Orb
Nature- Mild
EV- Att 252/ Spe 220/ Sp.Att 36

Hidden Power
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Tri Attack

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Nature- Careful
EV- Hp 252/ Spe 164/ Sp.Def 92

Baton Pass
Mean Look
Wish
Yawn

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Nature- Impish
EV- HP 248/ Def 252/ Spe 8

Attack Order
Defend Order
Roost
Toxic

Milotic @ Leftovers
Nature- Bold
EV-Hp 248/ Def. 252/ Spe 8

Ice Beam
Recover
Surf
Hidden Power (grass)

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature- Calm
EV- Hp 24/ Def 252/ Sp.Def. 232

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Toxic


Please rate and tell me how to fix this, I was planning on testing them...

 

[Charmander]

I would rate, except i dont know the first thing about rating. I like how you have a vespiquen though

 

[SpiredMoth]

Not bad for a first team.

I see a problem with Stealth Rocks. Without a spinner, Gyara won't last too long from coming in on rocks, LO recoil, and getting hit. Vespiquen likes them even less because of her typing.

Also Gyara doesn't seem like it would make a very good lead. If Gyara isn't meant to be your lead, next time remember to give your lead first.

I wish I could be more help with things like movesets and EVs/natures, but I don't know much about the actual metagame. I hope what I have given is/was helpful though.


Edit: Tried taking a closer look.

Gyara: Looks good except for (as Ultimario below me pointed out) the nature. You really should change it to adamant or jolly

Pory: Evs look odd - you haven't given him any physical attacks, yet are giving him 252 Atk EVs? Also which HP are you using on him?

Umbreon: Looks standard

Vespiquen: HATES Rocks (like I already said) It's typing and the fact it wasn't originally designed to do something really well are why most don't use her outside of lower tiers (if at all)

Milotic: Again, Ulti is right that Vappy does this role better

Blissey: Another standard set.

Overall, aside from what's been said already, the only thing I see missing is your own Rocks. Sorry, but I have no advice on a user. Again, I hope I helped

 

[UltiMario]

Awww man this took forever but I constructed a team for which purpose is to be rated to improve upon on so I can participate in the tests of skills that people often host.

I kinda used smogon to help me make the teams if it doesnt matter.

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Nature-bold <- WTF ADAMANT NOT BOLD BOLD IS -ATK ADAMANT IS +ATK >
EV- Att 252/ Def 4/ Spe 252


Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Gyarados isn't a lead in any way/shape/form wergysehsdfghsdfgsdfgsdbfyigsergHDFHSDFHSDGHSDF



Porygon-z @ Life Orb
Nature- Mild
EV- Att 252/ Spe 220/ Sp.Att 36

Hidden Power
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Tri Attack

PORYGON-Z SUCKS

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Nature- Careful
EV- Hp 252/ Spe 164/ Sp.Def 92

Baton Pass
Mean Look
Wish
Yawn

UMBREON SUCKS

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Nature- Impish
EV- HP 248/ Def 252/ Spe 8

Attack Order
Defend Order
Roost
Toxic

VESPIQUEN REALLY SUCKS

Milotic @ Leftovers
Nature- Bold
EV-Hp 248/ Def. 252/ Spe 8

Ice Beam
Recover
Surf
Hidden Power (grass)

MILOTIC SUCKS USE VAPOREON INSTEAD

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature- Calm
EV- Hp 24/ Def 252/ Sp.Def. 232

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Toxic

kool

Please rate and tell me how to fix this, I was planning on testing them...

My advice is to drop Vespiquen to get a lead, drop Milotic for Vaporeon, drop Porygon-Z for just about ANY special attacker (Specsmence, Heatran, actually, Heatran sounds pretty good prolly, give that a shot), and replace Umbreon with...... SOMETHING. Vaporeon will be able to replace Milotic's AND Umbreon's Roles, so throw in something thats Electric resist so I'd say go with the Standard Rotom.


Yeah this is like a rush review without me really thinking but hey I'm at school reviewing your team so be happy with this.

 

[Fuelbi]

hehehe sorry bout that. I just followed what smogon told me to do with each pokemon.... grrr this is hard...

Changing now... well later when I get ome

 

[UltiMario]

BTW, OU Pokemon are the good Pokemon

Just in case you didn't know.

 

[Wave⁂]

I like Vespiquen












__________________
In NU

 

[Terywj [태리]]

BTW, OU Pokemon are the good Pokemon

Just in case you didn't know.

He's just joking with you.

Although it's in your best interest to replace Vespiquen.

Also, what Hidden Power does Porygon Z possess?

-Terywj

 

[Fuelbi]

He's just joking with you.

Although it's in your best interest to replace Vespiquen.

Also, what Hidden Power does Porygon Z possess?

-Terywj

I can't remember at the moment, but its probably grass, lemme check though...

well atleast when I get home...

 

[UltiMario]

BTW, OU Pokemon are the competatively viable Pokemon

Just in case you didn't know.

I fix'd myself.

Sorry gaiz

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Vaporeon > Milotic, but that's already been said
Vaporeon > Umbreon, read what I said about milotic

Replace Milotic with Vaporeon. There's a reason Vaporeon is OU and Milotic is UU, just saying.

Replace Umbreon with Latias. You really need the Electric resist.

Pory-Z's rather average speed puts him at a disadvantage against other special sweepers. LOJolt or SpecsJolt would both do a better job than LOPory-Z. ScarfTran is a good choice as well.

Give Gyara an Adamant or Jolly nature.

GET RID OF VESPIQUEN IMMEDIATELY.

 

[Fuelbi]

Alright dammit, but I have to get freaking HOME FIRST SO I CAN TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE POKEMON!!!

 

[SilentVerse]

BTW, OU Pokemon are competatively viable Pokemon

Just in case you didn't know.

I fix'd myself

Sorry gaiz

Not necessarily, while it's true that some pokemon are almost completely outclassed in OU (such as, Vespiquen and Milotic), there are still some "competitively viable" pokemon that are in the lower tiers, since they can fill a niche that others can't do nearly as well (for the sake of an example, Porygon-2 for instance). Generally speaking, OU Pokemon are better overall, but some niches that these Pokemon in the lower tiers fill are enough to warrant the occasional use in OU, depending on the team of course.


Onto the rate, well,
- Milotic, generally is outclassed by Vaporeon, unless you're going to use Hypnosis, which honestly, doesn't add enough to your team to make you use it over Vappy, so change Milo to Vappy to provide some nice Wish support.

-If you're going to insist on using Pory, change his nature to Timid, since I think it would allow to outspeed neutral base 90's and tie with +Speed 90's. This is pretty important, as Pory's special attack should be good enough anyways, and outspeeding neutral base 90's is quite important.

-Yeah, replace Vespiquen. There isn't any reason to use it in the higher tiers, unless you actually build a team around it (and even then, there are much better Pokemon that could be used).

I can't really say much, since I don't play too much OU, but these I feel are pretty obvious changes.

 

[9Kplus1]

Not necessarily, while it's true that some pokemon are almost completely outclassed in OU (such as, Vespiquen and Milotic), there are still some "competitively viable" pokemon that are in the lower tiers, since they can fill a niche that others can't do nearly as well (for the sake of an example, Porygon-2 for instance). Generally speaking, OU Pokemon are better overall, but some niches that these Pokemon in the lower tiers fill are enough to warrant the occasional use in OU, depending on the team of course.

With Machamp, Breloom, Latias, Suicune, Jirachi, Scizor, Mixmence, sandstorm, Stealth Rock being omnipresent in OU, I honestly don't see how Porygon2 can perform its task of checking Dragon Dance Salamence and Gyarados tbh. UU and NU Pokemon that are viable in OU require support in order to be effective.

 

[UltiMario]

You switch into Mence and Ice Beam.
You switch into Gyara and thunderbolt.

P-2 is really that simple.

 

[Metal~Mario]

You switch into Scarftran/Gengar and Thunder Wave.

 

[9Kplus1]

You switch into Mence and Ice Beam.
You switch into Gyara and thunderbolt.

P-2 is really that simple.

You switch in on Mence and eat a Draco Meteor

You switch in on Gyarados and realize that three layers of spikes are down

gg

 

[UltiMario]

1. DDMence isn't carrying Draco Meteors, not most, anyways.

2. If you let someone get 3 layers of spikes down then you don't have a Fire attack, and if you don't have a Fire attack on your team, you should commit suicide.

 

[9Kplus1]

1. DDMence isn't carrying Draco Meteors, not most, anyways.

2. If you let someone get 3 layers of spikes down then you don't have a Fire attack, and if you don't have a Fire attack on your team, you should commit suicide.

Erm... MixMence is more common than DDMence last time I checked =/. Also, the Mixed Dancer is rising in popularity.

Having a Fire-type attack doesn't prevent three layers of Spikes from going down; Skarmory and Foretress are commonly paried with Swampert, RestTalk Gyarados, etc and if memory serves me right, both Pokemon can switch into most of OU safely and have a turn to themselves.

 

[Gates]

Guys, focus on his team and not Porygon.

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Nature-bold
EV- Att 252/ Def 4/ Spe 252

Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Earthquake

First of all, this should not be your lead. In Gen IV pokemon, a lead should do one of the following:

1. Set up entry hazards (Stealth Rock, Spikes, Toxic Spikes) (Most leads do this).
2. Set up a weather condition (Most popular ones are Electrode for Rain, Abomasnow for Hail, Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sand, and Groudon and Kyogre in Ubers for Sun and Rain respectively).
3. Prepares for some other condition of the team like Trick Room or a Baton Pass chain (There are several Trick Roomers but nobody really uses the strategy, common passers include Smeargle and Ninjask).
4. Prevent the opponent from setting up entry hazards (via Taunt or killing the opponent's lead before it sets up) (Common anti-leads are Ambipom, Machamp, Dragonite, and in UU Moltres and Typhlosion).
5. Perform one or more of the above (Most of the more often used leads fit this category - Azelf, Infernape, Tyranitar, and Metagross in OU, Deoxys-S, Groudon, Mew, and Kyogre in Ubers, and TrickScarfers that also know an entry hazard move in any format).

Your Gyarados does none of these things.

Well ok, to be fair it can kill an Azelf or Infernape, but so what? They'll have set up rocks and/or Taunted you and then all you can do is sit there and either die as your opponent brings in something with TBolt or Stone Edge to kill it. Then you can either retreat your Gyarados to bring it in at a later time (at 65% health with Life Orb) and have something else (probably Blissey) come in and take the hit and not set up rocks, or you can let your best pokemon die. Your opponent has still damaged two of your pokemon and set up an entry hazard, which is pretty significant even though you've potentially cut them down to 5 pokemon.

Even though it's been said a lot in this thread before, I'll say it again - you need a better lead. There are many options you may wan to look at, but a few that come to mind off the top of my head include Azelf, Metagross, and Infernape.

If you are serious about having Gyarados as a lead though, at least put Taunt on it, probably in place of Stone Edge.

Other than that, your Gyara looks average for the most part. As Ultimario said, you don't want a -Atk nature on a physical attacker so you should go with either Adamant or Jolly. I personally prefer Jolly but your lack of entry hazards makes Atk more important than speed. If you do go with Adamant though, I'd recommend Thunder Wave on Blissey to spread a -Speed status around your opponent's team to make your life easier when sweeping.

The use of Life Orb over Leftovers is also debatable. The argument for Life Orb is that it makes sweeping easier while the argument for Leftovers is that your Gyara will live longer to sweep more and will survive more than one switch-in. If you have entry hazards, Leftovers generally wins since the extra damage from Life Orb is not as necessary. However, since you don't for now it's a very close debate. If you do put in a lead who sets up rocks, go with Leftovers.

I also have to wonder about the type coverage of Stone Edge. What exactly makes it superior to Ice Fang? It can kill other Gyarados? Lots of Gyarados use Bounce now which makes hitting them with a move with the accuracy of Stone Edge even harder. On top of that, it only hits Latias and most grass types for neutral damage. Ice Fang, however has coverage that's just as good if not better and accuracy that is definitely better. It also takes out a lot of threats that Stone Edge doesn't. You could also use Bounce, but I've never really been that into that route.

Porygon-z @ Life Orb
Nature- Mild
EV- Att 252/ Spe 220/ Sp.Att 36

Hidden Power I'm assuming this is grass?
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Tri Attack

There are better sweepers out there. Porygon-Z was great in the early days of D/P but now there are far better special attackers in OU. Latias, Starmie, Heatran, Gengar, Magnezone, Azelf, Togekiss, Lucario, Infernape, Empoleon...the list goes on and on. They all have great coverage and they all have better ways of just plain existing in the current metagame.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Nature- Careful Any reason for this instead of, say, Impish?
EV- Hp 252/ Spe 164/ Sp.Def 92

Baton Pass
Mean Look
Wish
Yawn

If I were you I would ask my self if I seriously need this kind of Umbreon on my team and if this slot could be improved more by another pokemon or not. I personally would say no.

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Nature- Impish
EV- HP 248/ Def 252/ Spe 8

Attack Order
Defend Order
Roost
Toxic

It's already been said but Vespiquen is baaaaaaad. She takes 50% from coming in on Rocks and after that her defenses aren't good enough to keep her around for longer than a turn at most. The most she'll reasonably be able to do is use Toxic once, and if you use someone who's better at spreading that status instead of her you'll have better results.

Milotic @ Leftovers
Nature- Bold
EV-Hp 248/ Def. 252/ Spe 8

Ice Beam
Recover
Surf
Hidden Power (grass)

Everyone has already talked about Vaporeon, but to be honest you already have Gyarados and I'm not sure if you want something else with electric weakness on your team with the prevalence of Rotom in the metagame. You also seem to be in need of a physical wall since your sweepers can't take hits as is and Blissey can't take physical attacks well even with max defense. I would probably recommend a Rotom-A form, Hippowdon, Gliscor, Curse Snorlax, or even Cresselia as a replacement to Milotic. Skarmory can also work - while it's weak to electric like Milotic, it can shed this weakness with Roost. Its use as a wall is debatable but Latias could even fit in this role since it has all the resistances you need and also access to Surf.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature- Calm
EV- Hp 24/ Def 252/ Sp.Def. 232

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Toxic

I'd say use Bold, but otherwise it's fine. You might want to think about Thunder Wave over Toxic as well to make things safer for your sweepers by lowering the opponent's speed.

So to sum up, a team I would reccomend for you would be (new additions in bold):

Metagross
Gyarados
Latias
Umbreon
Rotom-A
Blissey