Music you think is missing?

[ivanlerma]

You know, speaking musically, I feel like Ultimate deserved better with its victory themes. I made a playlist of themes I’d use if I were the one choosing the victory themes.

i see you have Shadow's Victory Track here, wonder were Shadow is in the roster?

 

[Perkilator]

i see you have Shadow's Victory Track here, wonder were Shadow is in the roster?

38ε, ‘s Echo Fighter. This is purely hypothetical.

 

[The Smash Nerd II.0.]

The former was renamed to “Overworld”. Here were the songs I was talking about:

Skyworld - Kid Icarus
Dark Pit - Kid Icarus: Uprising (this actually different from Dark Pit’s Theme, name and everything)

Oh sorry.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Splitting by franchise.

Keep in mind that there's a lot of gaps in what I've played and I have very little idea what I'm doing.

Spoiler: Super Smash Bros.

• Character Data (Super Smash Bros.)
• Battlefield (Melee) (Right now we just have the Brawl arrangement.)

Spoiler: Super Mario Bros.

• SMB1: Airship (Super Mario Maker)
• Super Mario Land Medley (Mario & Sonic 2014
• Standard Battle (Paper Mario)
• Vs. Fracktail (Super Paper Mario)

Spoiler: Donkey Kong

• Forest Stage (Donkey Kong '94)
• Showdown at the Tower (Donkey Kong '94)
• Title (Diddy Kong Racing)

Spoiler: The Legend of Zelda

• The Legend of Zelda Theme (Soul Calibur II)
• Tarm Ruins (Oracle of Seasons)
• Vs. Ganondorf (Ocarina of Time)
• Vs. Majora's Wrath (Majora's Mask)
• Silent Guardians (Hyrule Warriors)
• Eclipse of the Sun (Hyrule Warriors)
• Firestone Lake (Faces of Evil) (...I'm only half-joking. Not realistic, but I sure wouldn't complain if it was there.)

Spoiler: Kirby

• Sky Sands (Air Ride)
• Nebula Belt (Air Ride)
• Fountain of Dreams (Air Ride)
• Vs. Nightmare Wizard (Adventure/Nightmare In Dream Land)
• Title (Fighters Deluxe/Fighters Z)
• The True Arena (Super Star Ultra)

Spoiler: EarthBound

• Flippant Foe (Beginnings)
• Dangerous Foe (Beginnings)/Sanctuary Guardian (EarthBound)
• Mobile Foe (EarthBound)
• Formidable Foe (3)
• Mecha-Drago (3)

Spoiler: Game And Watch

• Main Theme (Game & Watch Gallery series)
• Ball (Game Boy Camera)
• Fire (Gallery)
• Oil Panic (Gallery)
• Helmet (Gallery)
• World of Game & Watch (3DS Theme Shop)
• Main Theme (Game & Watch Collection 2)

Spoiler: Wario

Vs. Wario (Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins)
Boss Fight (Land 3)
Medamayaki (Land 4)
Credits (Virtual Boy Wario Land)
Four Seasons (Mega Microgame$ - Party Games arrangement)

Spoiler: Sonic the Hedgehog

Blue Sphere (3 - Mania arrangement)
Windy And Ripply (Adventure)
Egg Rocket Zone (Advance)
I Am (Shadow)
Toxic Caves (Spinball)
Poloy Forest (Tails Adventure)

Spoiler: Animal Crossing

Not counting tracks from New Horizons.

• 6 PM (Population: Growing)
• New Year's Day (Wild World)
• Steep Hill (City Folk)
• Puzzle Boss Fight (New Leaf: Welcome Amiibo)
• Starlit Forest (Animal Crossing: The Movie) (...AC is pretty starved for Smash-suitable music in general.)
[/url]

Spoiler: Pac-Man

• Game Select (Namco Museum)
• Only Young Once (Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures)
• Buccaneer Beach (Pac-Man World)
• Vs. Toc-Man (Pac-Man World 3)
• Pac-Maze (Pac-Man: Arrangement)
• Vs. Pac-Man (Street Fighter X Tekken)

Spoiler: Street Fighter

• Retsu Stage (Street Fighter 1)
• The Judgement Day (Street Fighter 3)
• Jazzy NYC '99 (Street Fighter 3: Third Strike)
• Oceania - Volcanic Rim (Street Fighter 4)
• Unknown - Crumbling Laboratory (Super Street Fighter 4)

Spoiler: Final Fantasy VII

Even if they wanted to keep it strictly FF7 and have nothing from the rest of the series, there's still a ton of songs they could have used there.

• Fight On! (Dissidia arrangement)
• J-E-N-O-V-A (Dissidia 012 arrangement)
• Main Theme of Final Fantasy VII (Original)
• Electric de Chocobo (Original)
• Opening - Bombing Mission (Original)
• One-Winged Angel (There are way too many arrangements out there to put one here)

Eventually it just felt like I was throwing stuff in gratuitously... a lot of the games, I have very little prior knowledge of, so if your reaction is "why would you pick THAT track and not THIS track," there's your answer.

 

[Arthur97]

Actually, that's a decent point, why not throw in music from Game & Watch Gallery? it would give it a little variety. Though, I suppose there is the issue of whether it belongs in Mario, but G&W needs it more than Mario does.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Actually, that's a decent point, why not throw in music from Game & Watch Gallery? it would give it a little variety. Though, I suppose there is the issue of whether it belongs in Mario, but G&W needs it more than Mario does.

I don't get why G&W isn't considered a misc. series like the rest of the retro series. Not saying expanding G&W's music selection with music from the Galleries would be bad, mind you.

 

[Perkilator]

Actually, that's a decent point, why not throw in music from Game & Watch Gallery? it would give it a little variety. Though, I suppose there is the issue of whether it belongs in Mario, but G&W needs it more than Mario does.

Ah, I see you’re a user of culture as well. I even made my own list:

After some thinking, I’m beginning to wonder why there was never any Game and Watch Gallery series music in Smash. I think I’ll post some songs from that as well:

Game and Watch Gallery
Octopus
Manhole
Oil Panic
Fire
Title Theme (Game and Watch Gallery)

Game and Watch Gallery 2
Parachute
Helmet Level Medley
Chef
Vermin (original)

Game and Watch Gallery 3
Donkey Kong Jr. Medley (Game and Watch Gallery 3)
Mario Bros. (Game and Watch Gallery 3)

Game and Watch Gallery 4
Rainshower

 

[scoobymcsnack]

I guess to me, another song would be Ezio's Family from Assassin's Creed. It was used in that Altair mii costume reveal, and it would've been neat to have with it.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Actually, that's a decent point, why not throw in music from Game & Watch Gallery? it would give it a little variety. Though, I suppose there is the issue of whether it belongs in Mario, but G&W needs it more than Mario does.

Yoshi is still considered part of his own series despite the overwhelming majority of his appearances being Mario games and the rest of them (and I mean literally every single one of the rest of them) having Mario, Bowser, or both majorly involved somehow.

 

[Perkilator]

I just played PAC-MAN Championship Edition on my PS4, and I wanted to know; what are the most popular songs from both games?

 

[Deleted member]

Is it possible that one of Persona 5's song 'Whims of Fate" will get censored? Since the lyrics include "Champagne" and "Sexy"

 

[RodAcoPer]

I Wish that they added More Mario Galaxy Songs, Paper Mario Tracks And Modern Kirby Songs:
-Purple Comet
-Buoy Base Galaxy Above Water
-The Shadow Sirens
-Rawk Hawk Theme
-X-Naut Fortress
-Lineland Road
-Brobot Battle
-The Ultimate Show
-Revenge of the Enemy
-Warrior From Another World
-Masked Dedede

 

[DougEfresh]

I'm a bit biased because I loved the Banjo-Kazooie series when I grew up during the N64 era (and I love everything they did do to represent the series), but if I had to get greedy, I'd definitely say there's some crucial tracks missing from what came with the bear and bird duo themselves. The final battle theme from B-K fits so perfectly for smash that it's still surprising to me that they didn't include it. Clickclock Wood Spring theme is also great, and Weldar, Cloud Cuckooland and hailfire peaks are all great tracks from Banjo-Tooie that could be fantastic remixes for smash

 

[scoobymcsnack]

Is it possible that one of Persona 5's song 'Whims of Fate" will get censored? Since the lyrics include "Champagne" and "Sexy"

Melee censored "hell" in the DK Rap, so maybe, but I doubt it.

 

[Deleted member]

Although I'll never understand why you can say "hell" (Ken's "Hell Wheel") but not "damn" (Mass Destruction)

 

[scoobymcsnack]

Although I'll never understand why you can say "hell" (Ken's "Hell Wheel") but not "damn" (Mass Destruction)

It is odd. The only possible reason I could see wanting censorship is to avoid that T rating, but if hell doesn't, I don't see why damn would affect the rating too much.

 

[Guynamednelson]

It is odd. The only possible reason I could see wanting censorship is to avoid that T rating, but if hell doesn't, I don't see why damn would affect the rating too much.

"Damn" is allowed in E rated games IIRC. It'd fall under "mild language", which is a descriptor several E rated games have, although a lot more E10+ games have it.

 

[Perkilator]

I’m gonna say this: if we don’t AT LEAST get all the arena tracks from ARMS, I’m gonna be tilted.

 

[scoobymcsnack]

I’m gonna say this: if we don’t AT LEAST get all the arena tracks from ARMS, I’m gonna be tilted.

I can't see why Nintendo/the Smash Team wouldn't do this, literally nothing is stopping them.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ultimate has some amazing music, I'll give you that. Still a few things I'd add, and as a Zelda fan it's mostly Zelda...

Recategorize Super Mario World Medley to Yoshi series, so it can play on the SMW-themed Yoshi's Island (melee)

The original DK Rap, with all of the verses and without the weird remixed stanzas
Mix together the DK64 Main Menu theme and DK Isles. Maybe even throw in some of Funky's Armoury
Frantic Factory (DK64)
Mad Jack Battle (DK64)

Return the Great Sea and Molgera gamerips
A remix of All Three Days of Clock Town's themes, with a bit of the Final Day (MM)
The original Live Main Theme of Breath of the Wild. Yeah, it's a bit mellow, but it's so good.
A remix of the Attack on Vah Ruta theme, Waterblight Ganon battle, and Sidon's Theme
A remix of the Attack on Vah Medoh theme, Windblight Ganon battle, and the Revali's Flap memory
A remix of the Attack on Vah Rudania theme, Fireblight Ganon battle, and the Daruk's Mettle memory
A remix of the Attack on Vah Naboris theme, Thunderblight Ganon battle, and Riju's Encounter
A mashup of Mipha's, Revali's, Daruk's, and Urbosa's themes with The Champion's Ballad. Maybe even going into the main theme like Kass does.
The Hyrule Castle (interior) theme (BotW)
Skyloft theme from Hyrule Warriors
Title and Dragon from Hyrule Warriors
Molgera from Hyrule Warriors

...man Hyrule Warriors had some great tracks. Pity we got nothing from there (like Ganondorf's look)

 

[scoobymcsnack]

Lavender Town is incredibly iconic to the Pokemon series, and although a stage would be fantastic, just the music would be nice. This remix shows how it could work in Smash really well.

 

[RineYFD]

Honestly feel like Final Fantasy itself is missing a lot of tracks. Couldn't they have spared a bit more than TWO?
Also think Sonic is missing 'What I'm Made of', 'Spaceport', 'Windmill Isle (Day)' and ' I am, All of me'.

 

[Tako Tuesday]

One song that really should've been in is Menu 2 from Brawl: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Tzz5Qh09I

The song hasn't appear since it's debut in Brawl, and that's a shame considering how good this mix is, I mean just listen to that slap bass.

 

[ivanlerma]

One song that really should've been in is Menu 2 from Brawl: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Tzz5Qh09I

The song hasn't appear since it's debut in Brawl, and that's a shame considering how good this mix is, I mean just listen to that slap bass.

i think this was already in ultimate.

 

[Perkilator]

i think this was already in ultimate.

That’s a different version that debuted in Melee: https://youtu.be/XbOqFrTrFR0

Here’s the Brawl version: https://youtu.be/r1Tzz5Qh09I

 

[ivanlerma]

That’s a different version that debuted in Melee: https://youtu.be/XbOqFrTrFR0

Here’s the Brawl version: https://youtu.be/r1Tzz5Qh09I

Oh, i see now it's the melee version.

 

[Perkilator]

Still disappointed that Grunty’s task-failing, beat-taking, career-questioning MINION got his theme into Ultimate and Grunty didn’t (though I won’t deny being somewhat happy for HIM).

 

[Ben Holt]

Ai No Uta from Pikmin.
So out of place, yet so perfect.

And any other music that was cut along the way.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

If it were up to me, I'd change DK and Diddy's victory theme to Kingdom Clear -- Donkey Konga

 

[Speed Weed]

just
any classic sonic song
star light, chemical plant, metropolis, hydrocity, ice cap, flying battery, stardust speedway, metallic madness, mirage saloon act 2, i want them all

 

[Perkilator]

GUYS.

THIS REMIX OF ENDLESS BATTLE FROM FE11 IS SOOO GOOD

Why wasn’t this in the game, again?

 

[conr1201]

I really only play JRPGs so I cannot comment on most of the series represented in Ultimate, but I thought it was really weird that "Life Will Change" from P5 was not put in, and also "Overture" from Dragon Quest. Come to think of it, all of the Dragon Quest music in Ultimate are the MIDI versions, not the orchestral versions we heard in the trailers. Don't get me wrong, the MIDI versions are fine, but the orchestral versions are just way better and it would have been cool to hear them in Ultimate. I would have liked to hear Necrozma's theme from US/UM as well.

And of course there are a trillion songs from Final Fantasy that would have been great to hear, it is impossible to list them all.

Edit: Just after posting this I remembered "God-Shattering Star" from FE3H isn't in Ultimate, how the heck did they leave this one out?!

 

[Megadoomer]

I really only play JRPGs so I cannot comment on most of the series represented in Ultimate, but I thought it was really weird that "Life Will Change" from P5 was not put in, and also "Overture" from Dragon Quest. Come to think of it, all of the Dragon Quest music in Ultimate are the MIDI versions, not the orchestral versions we heard in the trailers. Don't get me wrong, the MIDI versions are fine, but the orchestral versions are just way better and it would have been cool to hear them in Ultimate. I would have liked to hear Necrozma's theme from US/UM as well.

And of course there are a trillion songs from Final Fantasy that would have been great to hear, it is impossible to list them all.

The Dragon Quest problem is an issue with the composer. By my understanding, Koichi Sugiyama owns the rights to the music in Dragon Quest (he even gets a special copyright section in Hero's Smash reveal trailer), and while I can't find a specific source on this, it seems as though he only allows Square-Enix to use the Midi versions of songs so that, if people want to hear the orchestral versions, they have to go to his concerts, where he gets a bigger cut of the profits.

No idea why Life Will Change, Opening/Bombing Mission, and the Chocobo theme aren't in Smash, though, since they were in Joker's trailer, Cloud's trailer, and the Chocobo Mii hat trailer, respectively. (maybe the Chocobo theme didn't fit Midgar, but the other two seem unjustified)

 

[conr1201]

The Dragon Quest problem is an issue with the composer. By my understanding, Koichi Sugiyama owns the rights to the music in Dragon Quest (he even gets a special copyright section in Hero's Smash reveal trailer), and while I can't find a specific source on this, it seems as though he only allows Square-Enix to use the Midi versions of songs so that, if people want to hear the orchestral versions, they have to go to his concerts, where he gets a bigger cut of the profits.

No idea why Life Will Change, Opening/Bombing Mission, and the Chocobo theme aren't in Smash, though, since they were in Joker's trailer, Cloud's trailer, and the Chocobo Mii hat trailer, respectively. (maybe the Chocobo theme didn't fit Midgar, but the other two seem unjustified)

Yeah I am familiar with the whole Sugiyama situation, it is the same reason why the original version of DQXI on the PS4 and PC didn't have the orchestral soundtrack either.

And it does seem weird that a lot of music from the trailers doesn't make it in to the game, but I guess getting the rights to the music for the trailer is different from the actual game.

 

[Deleted member]

GUYS.

THIS REMIX OF ENDLESS BATTLE FROM FE11 IS SOOO GOOD

Why wasn’t this in the game, again?

Probably because remixes from albums aren't included in Smash. If they were then you'd see me begging the Smash devs to put music from Mario Kart 64 on Club Circuit in Smash.

 

[Perkilator]

Probably because remixes from albums aren't included in Smash. If they were then you'd see me begging the Smash devs to put music from Mario Kart 64 on Club Circuit in Smash.

I didn't mean the remix itself, just the song in general.

 

[Perkilator]

Just wanted to ask something about X vs. Zero. Would anyone be okay if the MvC Infinite version of that song was used in Ultimate alongside the normal version?

 

[ivanlerma]

Just wanted to ask something about X vs. Zero. Would anyone be okay if the MvC Infinite version of that song was used in Ultimate alongside the normal version?

if the music was contracted with marvel and disney then it's probably impossible.

 

[Deleted member]

You know how in Mementos a T.V. shows an animation of Morgana running (or Teddie or the clip of the Persona 3 OP), if a music from Persona 1 or 2 (Innocent Sin or Eternal Punishment) is selected, what would the T.V. screen show?

 

[Perkilator]

Just speaking composer-wise for a sec:

Mansion Basement Re-imagined pic.twitter.com/ODGHQq2Hon

— Tee Lopes (@TeeLopes) May 23, 2020

Tee Lopes should’ve done a remix for Ultimate-even if it wasn’t for Sonic-if he can make the Director’s Cut Mansion Basement theme actually GOOD.