MultiVersus General Discussion

[CapitaineCrash]

That's... I dunno what to feel. I expected Fighter Road to be for base characters. With all the expensive effort they've been putting into new characters, around the tier of fighting game DLC, how are they going to make and sustain this game with cash? Characters were one of their biggest and more consistent sources of income even more than skins lmao.

Literally every free to play game makes more than enough money from skins and microtransactions. There was never any reason to have us to pay for them in the first place in my opinion.

 

[MBRedboy31]

That's... I dunno what to feel. I expected Fighter Road to be for base characters. With all the expensive effort they've been putting into new characters, around the tier of fighting game DLC, how are they going to make and sustain this game with cash? Characters were one of their biggest and more consistent sources of income even more than skins lmao.

You can still spend money to advance the Fighter Road, though. Since you can’t save up fighter currency for characters before they release anymore (since all future fighter road exp you get with all characters unlocked goes into battlepass exp instead,) you’ll have to grind for each new character that releases, encouraging longtime players to spend money if they’re impatient. (This won’t happen for a while since most veterans still have legacy character tickets and/or legacy fighter currency to spend, but it seems to be their plan.)

Literally every free to play game makes more than enough money from skins and microtransactions. There was never any reason to have us to pay for them in the first place in my opinion.

I know that the devs of Brawl Stars (a mobile game that has a very similar character unlocking method to the one Multiversus is about to have) have said very clearly that they make a lot more income from progression than from cosmetics. However, Brawl Stars brawlers are way more expensive to upgrade than Multiversus characters, so I’m not entirely sure how much it compares.

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

Literally every free to play game makes more than enough money from skins and microtransactions. There was never any reason to have us to pay for them in the first place in my opinion.

I haven't seen a single F2P game do what Multiversus is doing especially in regards to its high effort heavily animated roster and movesets. They also pump out way more skins and valuable content consistently than MVS does (with MVS giving some of their best skins away completely for free as soon as they come out). Doesn't seem smart. This reeks of them throwing whatever they can at a wall and hoping it works. I do hope it works out for this game, reminder, WB is very stingy and demanding so PFG's profit quota is less flexible than other F2P games.

You can still spend money to advance the Fighter Road, though. Since you can’t save up fighter currency for characters before they release anymore (since all future fighter road exp you get with all characters unlocked goes into battlepass exp instead,) you’ll have to grind for each new character that releases, encouraging longtime players to spend money if they’re impatient. (This won’t happen for a while since most veterans still have legacy character tickets and/or legacy fighter currency to spend, but it seems to be their plan.)

It just feels like a last ditch effort without a real plan to get players spending. But whatever, we'll have to see if this new "get a high quality dlc character for FREE!" system is sustainable.

 

[Will]

From what I understand, it’s how fighters will be unlocked from Season 4 onward.

Oh… That sounds terrible, to be honest. I’m sitting at 4.5k, what’s gonna happen to that 1.5k when I use what I can on another fighter?

 

[MBRedboy31]

Oh… That sounds terrible, to be honest. I’m sitting at 4.5k, what’s gonna happen to that 1.5k when I use what I can on another fighter?

I thiiiiink your extra 1.5 will sit in your inventory until you use it. If legacy fighter currency is a similar value to fighter road exp, it’ll take you half or a quarter of the way to getting another new character and you’ll have to grind fighter road exp to get the rest.
(Although the character you’ll be spending it to work toward might not be one you want, depending on how they’re ordered in the road…)

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

I thiiiiink your extra 1.5 will sit in your inventory until you use it. If legacy fighter currency is a similar value to fighter road exp, it’ll take you half or a quarter of the way to getting another new character and you’ll have to grind fighter road exp to get the rest.
(Although the character you’ll be spending it to work toward might not be one you want, depending on how they’re ordered in the road…)

Wasn't it stated that they're completely removing the currency from the game? I'm not sure if they'll let it sit.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Wasn't it stated that they're completely removing the currency from the game? I'm not sure if they'll let it sit.

“We’ll be introducing Fighter Road XP, a new type of XP that can be collected by players in matches, special events, or via direct purchase. If a player is really itching to get their hands on a specific character, they can still choose to purchase instantly with remaining Fighter currency or with Gleamium. Keep in mind that fighter currency will no longer be available in-game and can only be used should a player have a leftover surplus of the currency.”

This makes it sound like you can only buy a character outright or not at all with fighter currency, though, so I don’t know if Will ’s last 1.5K will be usable. I apologize for my previous post likely being incorrect.

 

[Will]

Seeing 1.5k that I’ll never be able to use use forever is going to irk me until the end of time.

I hate you sometimes WB Games

 

[LimeTH]

Seeing 1.5k that I’ll never be able to use use forever is going to irk me until the end of time.

I hate you sometimes WB Games

Use the last five days to bring it up to a useable amount! Leftover event currency! Toasts! Infinite Battle Pass rewards! Mastery ranks!

Come to think of it, what's replacing Fighters Currency in Toasts? If it ends up being Perk Currency I swear to god.

 

[ivanlerma]

Considering her trailer is tomorrow, I agree.

And here is a bonus image of our newest fighters in game:

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Oh yes, it's Mar-Mar and Rae-Rae(TTG Beast Boy shall not be the only one to say that).

 

[Faso115]

They are retiring fighter shards just as i use the last bunch to unlock my final character and get a full roster. Funny how that works.

So i assume both marcy and raven are available from the start and you have to pick who you want to go for first? Cause otherwise i think Marcy is mid-season, which is fine i guess.

 

[SneakyLink]

They are retiring fighter shards just as i use the last bunch to unlock my final character and get a full roster. Funny how that works.

So i assume both marcy and raven are available from the start and you have to pick who you want to go for first? Cause otherwise i think Marcy is mid-season, which is fine i guess.

They only confirmed Raven will be available at the start, specifically she will have the 3 day early access release when the season starts, then be available through Fighter Road on November 15.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

My guess about the 2 battle pass is that this season (and maybe future seasons too?) will have 2 shorter 35 tiers 5 weeks battle pass. This way, you keep players who finished the battle pass super early more engaged, as they need to play mid-season, and for those who played averagely it changes nothing about the amount of rewards.

 

[SneakyLink]

It’s Raven time

 

[osby]

Funny how we're just getting a mage character who is a... well, mage.

But I'm a big fan of how she looks. Her moveset looks fun, too.

 

[Opossum]

Ruh roh

Not surprising but yeah, the game lost WB like $100 million.

 

[SneakyLink]

Ruh roh

Not surprising but yeah, the game lost WB like $100 million.

The initial source for those curious is a WB Earnings call today.

Unfortunately I cannot locate the call itself, however, while I think Multiversus under performed for WB, I’m not entirely confident this game alone lost WB $100 million. Granted, part of it is WB buying PFG (a decision which I don’t understand) and expecting Fortnite money, along with platform fighters in general being less popular than other gaming genres, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The gaming side isn’t the only WB part that decreased. Studio revenue is down too, with the underperformance of films released this year offset by the high performance of Barbie last year.

Edit: 2 more things

1. Here is the earnings call. Gaming is under the studios tab.
2. There’s been recent rumors on Fortnite getting DC again (for reference, last December was the last time WB was in Fortnite, with DC at the start of the month, and Rick & Morty stuff throughout the month), so it seems like they are prepping for external deals again to offset lost revenue.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Ruh roh

Not surprising but yeah, the game lost WB like $100 million.

Not surprising, and you can tell that this new seasons is them trying very hard to get players back into the game.

It's truly a shame because I still like the game for the gameplay and what it's trying to achieve as a celebration of WB, but game publisher really need to stop treating games like it's a full time job.

 

[LimeTH]

Ruh roh

Not surprising but yeah, the game lost WB like $100 million.

Aw damn, I hope the game manages to keep going for at least a while longer.

They really shouldn't have bought the studio, lets be honest, that's where a lot of that loss is coming from.
So if the game is shut down, it's probably not even going to be its own fault, just WB's stupidity as usual.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ruh roh

Not surprising but yeah, the game lost WB like $100 million.

So I have to ask, can Multiversus recover from this?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

As I've said before, at this point, no more Banana Guards and no more Nubias.

We need every character from this point onward to be a winner. They've had their niche picks but it's time to strap in before they get out out on the street. We need the heavy hitters NOW. Raven is a good start, but no matter how much the core fan base wants her, Marceline is not going to be a pick that pulls a lot of people in. People who like AT already have plenty to chew on here and probably already play.

 

[Faso115]

I think Multiversus is doing fine, unfortunately fine is not enough for AAA studios but i still have hope for the future.

MVS is definitely doing better than Suicide Squad.

 

[ivanlerma]

Ruh roh

Not surprising but yeah, the game lost WB like $100 million.

Noooooo.......

Edit at 10:47 AM: This could also be in general not JUST multiversus plus the studio buying PFG too, had they not lose a lot of money from their other stuff then this shouldn't have happen.

Hopefully the game doesn't die or atleast if it gets shutdown then PLEASE make it offline similar to Mega Man X Drive.

 

[Opossum]

As I've said before, at this point, no more Banana Guards and no more Nubias.

We need every character from this point onward to be a winner. They've had their niche picks but it's time to strap in before they get out out on the street. We need the heavy hitters NOW. Raven is a good start, but no matter how much the core fan base wants her, Marceline is not going to be a pick that pulls a lot of people in. People who like AT already have plenty to chew on here and probably already play.

It wasn't even Nubia that caused this. The article specifically calls out the Q3 performance: the characters released in that time frame were Samurai Jack, Beetlejuice, and the Powerpuff Girls. And considering two of those were highly anticipated CN characters and the other is a multigenerational, multimedia icon, it's not an issue of character choices necessarily, but the game itself.

 

[Donaldtoon]

What if they gonna push Daffy Duck over Wicked Witch of the West and Aquaman, not only because he more requested and popular season 4 ends in january and The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie premieres in february, they could promote the movie

 

[Capybara Gaming]

It wasn't even Nubia that caused this. The article specifically calls out the Q3 performance: the characters released in that time frame were Samurai Jack, Beetlejuice, and the Powerpuff Girls. And considering two of those were highly anticipated CN characters and the other is a multigenerational, multimedia icon, it's not an issue of character choices necessarily, but the game itself.

I'm not saying Nubia did cause it, I'm saying if the game's clock is ticking then we need to get the rest of the big choices in or they won't get a chance at all. I've been saying this for months: infinite time is theoretical and if this is to be believed then we have even less time than I was expecting.

 

[ivanlerma]

I'm leaving this here in case some people need to understand to catch a breather without changing opinions.

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[SneakyLink]

I'm leaving this here in case some people need to understand to catch a breather without changing opinions.

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Any chance you can summarize the thread?

I deleted Twitter yesterday so I am unable to view anything but the first post.

 

[Opossum]

What if they gonna push Daffy Duck over Wicked Witch of the West and Aquaman, not only because he more requested and popular season 4 ends in january and The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie premieres in february, they could promote the movie

There's almost no chance of this honestly. Daffy had barely any work done at the time of the relaunch when a few animations were found, to the point where he didn't even use the official internal numbering system. He was VERY early on in development. Meanwhile the Wicked Witch and Aquaman have been heavily worked on since the beta and have had their voice files in for a long time. They're almost certainly coming before Daffy. In fact, those two in particular are almost definitely the season five characters.

I'm leaving this here in case some people need to understand to catch a breather without changing opinions.

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This...doesn't change anything. It's essentially just an ad hominem attack against IGN as a whole for...reporting on the earnings report.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

With all the doom & gloom going on with this article I hope PlayerFirstGames can reassure everybody that they have plans to keep making this game better and that hopefully their not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[SneakyLink]

After reading both the IGN article and the WB report, I believe MVS isn’t the entire $100 million loss, but rather a part of it.

According to the report, gaming revenue as a whole is down 31% from Q3 of last year, with the reason cited as better performance of titles released last year around the same time (Mortal Kombat 1 was name dropped here as an example). Now, Multiversus actually launched in Q2 (April - June) but since it’s a live service game, we can count content releases and the PFG acquisition as part of the loss (the acquisition was in July). Additionally, Harry Potter Quidditch Champions launched in September, and I admit I have barely seen any hype surrounding that release (for context, most people were asking for Quidditch DLC in Hogwarts Legacy instead). Admittedly, that game would have minimal impact on the Quarter, but it is worth mentioning as, outside content updates and any mobile games I missed, WB’s only release this Quarter.

So while I don’t think MVS actually lost WB $100 million on its own, I do think it was a cause and effect and that the game contributed to a loss.

 

[fogbadge]

What if they gonna push Daffy Duck over Wicked Witch of the West and Aquaman, not only because he more requested and popular season 4 ends in january and The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie premieres in february, they could promote the movie

sure if WB actually releases this one

 

[darkvortex]

sure if WB actually releases this one

it's coming out but they're not the ones distributing it

 

[Capybara Gaming]

sure if WB actually releases this one

Actually, despite being a Looney Tunes movie, they aren't even distributing it. It was produced by their aniamtion studio, but a company called Ketchup Entertainment is actually distributing it.

ninja'd

 

[fogbadge]

it's coming out but they're not the ones distributing it

Actually, despite being a Looney Tunes movie, they aren't even distributing it. It was produced by their aniamtion studio, but a company called Ketchup Entertainment is actually distributing it.

ninja'd

oh, good

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Even the stuff that’s supposed to distract and make us happy in the face of all that’s going wrong in the world can’t do that because of how horrible the world has gotten.

 

[Opossum]

I'll be blunt: as much as I'd like to be wrong, I don't think the game will reach season seven. I think season six will be the final season, as that's the one that lines up with early April/late March, which is usually the end of the fiscal year for game companies and also when they announced the shutdown of the beta. I absolutely think this revelation is a major death flag for the game.

With that, my prediction for the final two seasons is as follows:

Season 5: Wicked Witch and Aquaman, with the stages being Cat Concerto and the Riverboat.

Season 6: Scooby-Doo and Daffy Duck, with the stages being Wabbit Season and Coyote Canyon.

The stages could be mixed around admittedly, but I definitely think those four are the most likely, with the sole potential exception being that Cat Concerto is passed over for Camp Crystal Lake. Both of those are at similar development stages.

And if there really are only four characters left and the game ends with season six, those are at least a banger set of four characters to end the game with.

 

[PeridotGX]

As I've said before, at this point, no more Banana Guards and no more Nubias.

We need every character from this point onward to be a winner. They've had their niche picks but it's time to strap in before they get out out on the street. We need the heavy hitters NOW. Raven is a good start, but no matter how much the core fan base wants her, Marceline is not going to be a pick that pulls a lot of people in. People who like AT already have plenty to chew on here and probably already play.

I mean, we have a pretty good guess at who the next few characters are, and by and large it's a fairly strong lineup.

• Aquaman - the only non-Batman DC character to break $1 billion at the box office
• The Wicked Witch - The Wizard of Oz is a classic, and Wicked seems like it's going to be big (I know it's not WB but it helps the brand either way)
• Freddy Kreuger - Another one of the big icons of horror
• Daffy Duck - do I need to explain this one?
• Dexter - Relatively popular early cartoon network show
• Ruby Rose - easily the least iconic of this lineup, but RWBY has a fanbase.

But I don't think the game is in a position where character choices save it.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I'll be blunt: as much as I'd like to be wrong, I don't think the game will reach season seven. I think season six will be the final season, as that's the one that lines up with early April/late March, which is usually the end of the fiscal year for game companies and also when they announced the shutdown of the beta. I absolutely think this revelation is a major death flag for the game.

With that, my prediction for the final two seasons is as follows:

Season 5: Wicked Witch and Aquaman, with the stages being Cat Concerto and the Riverboat.

Season 6: Scooby-Doo and Daffy Duck, with the stages being Wabbit Season and Coyote Canyon.

The stages could be mixed around admittedly, but I definitely think those four are the most likely, with the sole potential exception being that Cat Concerto is passed over for Camp Crystal Lake. Both of those are at similar development stages.

And if there really are only four characters left and the game ends with season six, those are at least a banger set of four characters to end the game with.

I don't know if I think Season 6 will be the end but unless we get a substantial uptick in players happy with and spending money on the game, I don't see it lasting more than another year; I.E. I expect it to end on probably Season 9 or 10.

Man I just want Ben at this point, he's the most requested character according to fan polls, work on him..

 

[Faso115]

I'll be so mad if this gets shutdown before Suicide Squad. That game has less players and this one is not that dead, i can find matches quickly all the time.