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Man, this move sounds completely OP! Oh wait, if you shield it, you have so much time to punish it that you can drop your shield, quite literally walk straight through his spinning sword, and hit him with any goddamn move you please. I can't believe that with all of the mildly infuriating tools that Link has, people are still complaining about his up-b of all things.
That argument doesn't work, only because it would literally work for any move in the game. Yes, some form of counter play exists at all levels against all attacks. That's part of what makes smash great. By your standard, there are no moves that are too powerful because everything has counter play.The question is balance and risk vs reward, and in this case while the risk for using it is moderate due to end lag, it is still incredibly strong, fairly safe due to it's range, and takes little skill input from the user. (I would rather be Ken combo'd then killed by this. At least the ken combo's feels like it takes skill from my opponent.)
Name one other attack that you can shield, drop your shield, and act back with a CHARGED fsmash before the attack ends. There is literally no other move that is more punishable than a shielded up-b from Link. If you think that Link's up-b is safe you are probably just REALLY bad at playing around it.
The easy obvious answer here is Jigg's Rest, which you can easily hit with any charged smash if it is whiffed. Ike's forward smash, and probably zelda's neutral special as well are just as end laggy.
whenever my friend pulls out his diddy, I have to pull out the squirtle. Otherwise diddy is a pain.
Posts like these make me question if people sometimes forget that combos in P:M are significantly more varied than in Brawl. There are ways Link can get Up Specials out of other moves, if the player is smart enough. Yes, I can shield it, but only if my opponent is even more stupid than I am and just throws it out for no reason.
I am bad, yes. In fact, I'd argue that I am downright awful at all Smash games, mods included.
I'm sooooooo glad none of my friends play Diddy. Those bananas, or any items for that matter, in competitive play are just so foreign to us that we don't know how to deal with them
and are pushing the boundaries of creative and just downright silly.
+1 on the withdrawel. The move is lower than most projectiles, fast and has armor. I'm not going to claim it's OP because truthfully i haven't tried all options but it is REALLY annoying to deal with.
It's a good thing that half his moves don't make the same noise then.
PM Gold Changelist
Wario's and Ganon's Side-B beats it, Ganon's and Falcon's Down-B beats it, and I believe characters with disjointed grabs have an easier time since they can grab him out of it. Dedede's and Kirby's Swallow also might beat it
I didn't know. Thank you for the knowledgable information. Much appreciated. I don't know why. I'm a Link main. I just hate Squirtle and his play style. His shell shifting is the main problem I can't stand. Now, I just SH and drop bombs along the ground in a trail which limits squirtle' options once he shell shifts, forcing him to jump over the bomb(s) towards me.
I used to have the same opinion as you. For me
's Pk fire was the most annoying thing but then i learned how to DI and space properly which made it more reasonable to deal with. I'm still having trouble with. i don't think would be as difficult to fight if he was just a bit larger. It's one thing to be olimar sized but it's another when you can move like sonic as well.
Personally, I think Link has some pretty significant advantages against Squirtle, but I don't main Link so I'm not super knowledgeable about the character.
What do you recommend for DI-ing out of Ness' PK fire and spacing? My friend mains as him and his PK fire is the most annoying thing in the world :/I used to have the same opinion as you. For me
Forewarning: I'm no pro but this has worked for my friend group that i play with semi competitively.
In lameman's terms, do this:
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+ when you predict an incoming pk fire or you can throw out a nair or . (i think lucario's nair beats ness' pk fire.) Lucario has a nasty moonwalk and dash dance that you can also use at the peak of pk fire's range to fake him out. General tip. Get more comfortable with lucario and make sure your watching your opponent at ALL times. When you get used to not looking at your character it becomes easy to react to others.