more shield breaks?

[TheBuzzSaw]

I noticed that Marth's "shield break" technique was virtually never used for that purpose since it was hard to do. Should Brawl have more techniques that break shields? I believe Ganondorf's Warlock Punch should've broken shields considering how hard it is to land. Similar moves should not be blockable with a quick click of the L/R-trigger.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Interesting. Full charged Smashes should break shields as well.

 

[TheMastermind]

I think in general shields, should have nearly half the life that tey have now. This will cause
players to shield less and to use there shield more spareingly.

I agree that more moves should break shields also. Even the Falcon punch would be more useable
if it broke shields.

 

[mikeHAZE]

why would you want less shield? wouldn't that just make really fast characters who can shield pressure easily pretty much ****?

 

[Dave the Perspicacious]

Well, the solution to the above, would be that characters have varying shield length/strength, depending on their weight class.

I do agree fully, however, that the shield could use a little modification. Quite a few moves should at least inflict damage through a shield, if shield break stun time is a little too harsh.

I would also love to see these powerful charge moves, become more practical and generally useful. Even in a free for all, most competent players will manage to dodge them (excluding storable charge moves, which rock :D).

Dave

 

[Eaode]

Eh, I would want the shield lifespan to remain the same as it is now. With CF I have to shield a lot 'cuase his spotdodge is teh sux.

I agree however that certain moves should break shields. No attack should break a completely full shield (unless that's its purpose like Marth's Shield breaker). Thins like Warlock punch or Bowser fsmash should take maybe 85-90% of your shield.

Something interesting to see would be if shields could absorb some things. Like if there was a weak energy based projectile that, if shielded would give around half the damage, but replenish your shield a tiny bit instead of reducing it.

 

[True Fool]

I think it's a good idea to reduce the shields, and to make certain attacks break shields. Just so long as that the fast attacks are weaker at breaking shields, it should be about 7ish fast attacks are equal one slow attack for breaking shields. We all know who wins in the strength-speed game, and they definately need to have a disadvantage somewhere.

 

[sirmackerel]

The number of hits required to break the Smash Ball already seems to be based on the weight class of the attacker (Bowser, who was by far the heaviest character in the demo, took only 2 hits to break the Smash Ball), so I wouldn't mind if shields were like that, too.

 

[TheMastermind]

I agree...

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

I did always think that shield-breaking was too rare. I tried looking at the Brawl demo videos to see if the shield strength has changed, but almost no one ever shielded.

 

[Judgment Angel Zero]

Yeah, we need more shield breaking moves, especially for those difficult to hit ones.

 

[Wreked]

I think almost all of the heavyweights should have a shield breaker.

DK-neutral b
Bowser-F smash
Ike-Up smash

 

[ZenJestr]

yea I think heavyweights should break shields with fully charged smashes....or any attack that requires charging...

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

why would you want less shield? wouldn't that just make really fast characters who can shield pressure easily pretty much ****?

Well, he wants a different ratio of power of attacks to shield damage, so that a weak move like shine that is used for shield pressure does little damage, but powerful attacks, like Warlock Punch do a lot of shield damage.

 

[Dragonbreath]

This makes sense. It would add to the uniqueness and tactical difference of each character, while replacing a somewhat bland feature with something dynamic and new.

But only if Sakurai makes it balanced.

Think about Stamina matches for a moment. Fox Vs. Bowser. Fox is a speedy character with good comboing ability and good dodge ability. Boweser is a heavy character whose strength lies in his ability to take damage and keep going. However, both characters lose when they take 150 damage. As you can see, Stamina mode is unbalanced in mellee. But if Bowser had more stamina (Which he should, from an anylitical standpoint), somewhere in the region of 300-400, then Stamina mode in Brawl would be more interesting and more balanced.

The principles in what I just wrote are similar to the principals in the shield issue, albeit on a smaller scale. However, considering the direction that Sakurai is going with Brawl, I think it's more likely that Sakurai would increase the shield on Bowser than decrease the shield on Fox.

Off-topic, but what if certain shields had unique buffs? Like something involving Bowser's spikes for Bowser.

 

[Chu2]

i hope it will be nice in brawl

 

[Chu2]

i hope its awesome in brawl

 

[Dragonbreath]

^^^Don't double post and try not to post if you don't have anything relevant to say.

Oh, and welcome to the boards.

 

[error_alt_delete]

hmm...different shield ratios sounds like it would be a welcome addition to brawl. I support this idea!

 

[Jisike]

I would just like this so that you don't end with people like DK whose shield didn't even cover his feet...

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

The shield really was too good in Melee. I mean, it wasn't necessarily game-breaking or anything, but it was just too convenient in my eyes. The shield can save you from a lot. On the other hand, certain characters had horrible shields. Roy and G&W stick out in my mind as having weird shields. They both suffered lots of shield pokes. >_<

 

[G-Bis]

breaking shields that sounds nice.

 

[cam`]

have you guys tried grabbing

 

[Team Giza]

Shields should be just as strong as in melee when fighting fast characters. However, bigger characters really need to give more shield stun and make shields shrink faster. I would really love it if they did things like this because it would not only make it more balanced but leave nice room for a lot more character diversity.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

have you guys tried grabbing

LOL! Why no! What does grabbing do?

 

[cam`]

trolls up your junk

 

[Sadnap]

Wouldn't a smaller shield length mean my DK getting shield stabbed more so than necessary? Unless the size of the shield is more proportional to the size of the character, the heavy weights will suffer from even more ways to go through their shielding.

 

[Team Giza]

Well they could make shields have different strength per character to solve this. It would even create more character diversity. DK could have a strong shield, so faster characters would have a pretty hard time breaking his shield, however after awhile he would still be open to shield pokes simply because he is a bigger character (but wouldn't make it horribly easy to poke because it takes longer to get their shield smaller).

 

[Dr. UnKnown]

LOL! Why no! What does grabbing do?

i think he's lying, wtf @ grabbing, whoever heard of such a thing, next he'll probably tell us we can link them together

 

[Red Exodus]

I would only want this for strong moves, like fully charged Samus blasts or Falcon Punch. I'd hate to get my shield broken by stuff like missiles or fireballs.

 

[PIT_IS_BACK]

Someone should make a thread of good ideas. I keep on seeing them everywhere.

 

[Sliq]

I love this idea, mostly because it takes 3-4 Pounds from Jiggs to break a shield, and after the 2nd Pound, most people know better then to shield the 3rd hit and either go on the defensive or offensive.

I think if Pound broke in 2 hits (as in immediate consecutive hits), or 3 hits if they got away and let it recharge for a bit, it would worth hitting shields with, considering how easily punished it is if you hit someone's shield with it.

Thinking about it, shields shouldn't regenerate AT ALL until you do damage, and the amount of shield recharged should be equivalent to the amount of damage done.

I'd like to see more moves like Bowser's Klaw that allows people to grab from the air. I think it would be cool to see "status effect" moves likes Jigg's sing and Mewtwo's disable, only USEFUL. Maybe a move that disables aerial moves, reverses controls, slows character, weakens character, steals health, etc.

 

[Jisike]

I actually think it would be all good if it just took more time for shields to regenerate...

 

[Blubba_Pinecone]

I actually strongly disagree. Sure, it would be nice to break enemy sheilds more often, but that would make the game way unbalanced if you ask me. Plus, it would discourage newer players who keep getting their sheilds massacred.

It would add up to having way too many free hits and devastating blows that wern't really earned as much as they were given. It takes the human brain time to react to situations, infact, reaction time for driving happens to be recorded around an average of 3/4 a second. Although exagerated for this topic, I think you get the idea. Maybe more ways to break sheilds would be fine, but not weaker sheilds! That's jsut ridiculous if you ask me.

Example: Ganondorf warlock punches someone's sheild and it breaks... guess what Ganondorf does while they are stunned? Another warlock punch! BOOM! Free KO practically!

Of course that's assuming you actually have your sheild hit by it but you understand what I'm saying I hope.

 

[Team Giza]

You hit someone's shield with a warlock punch in brawl? OMFG. You definitely deserve to at least break down 3/4 of your opponent's shield.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

But for how slow the Warlock Punch is, the victim deserves to have his shield broken.

 

[Blubba_Pinecone]

You hit someone's shield with a warlock punch in brawl? OMFG. You definitely deserve to at least break down 3/4 of your opponent's shield.

xD yeah. but that was an example.

Think about it, lots of noobs and newer players actually might be hit by the move. This would discourage them.

Taking away 3/4 sheild is very possible, and infact a good idea. But instant sheild break? No! The horrors of all that recovery time! It would deeply discourage newer players to get killed like that so often.


Also, take into account that the warlock punch was just an example to be used, it doesn't have to be that exactly.

 

[Blubba_Pinecone]

But for how slow the Warlock Punch is, the victim deserves to have his shield broken.

In our competetive world, yes! By far they deserve it!

But not newer players, and casual people who arn't very skilled. Which, for fact, do make up the majority of the Smash players worldwide.

 

[greenblob]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u_LY9WrE1uk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DaAo3j-h6xE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2lMh2WoP1U
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zzXhF36dJmE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2baExmi71g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2i8PUlNDplI

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

LOL! Nice videos. I don't support shield-breaking COMBOs necessarily, but certain moves hit so hard that it is stupid they can be shielded.