Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Jerkus]

But you said it was J who gave the question out? ...

I said it was J that called Mac "waffly."

That's a completely separate thing.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ranmaru dear god stop. Please for the love of goodness.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

We should lynch xat or wanted. Mac and jerkus needs more time to fully settle and I dont really want to lynch them over the above mentioned slots or someone like nabe

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

This is the J side both in the quote and posting so this'll be easy because it really is just my playstyle. I like forcing people to take a stance on reads and Mac is being waffly on stances so I want him to put his foot down and decide what he makes. This also forces Mac to have a papertrail which I can form connections and thoughts on. I do this quite practically every game. I choose to ask the hypothetical because I get more out of it then persuading him. I get him to make a decision.

Huh???? Didn't J said it was himself though

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Hey ran remember when dh and co mentioned sometimes its better to step back and take a breather and sort through things off the grid?
Yeah now would be a good time for that. Take a couple hrs and just think oo things

 

[Jerkus]

Huh???? Didn't J said it was himself though

He has tagged out since then. I thought I had made that pretty clear in this post.

 

[Jerkus]

Like seriously, when was the last time J spoke like this?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I was referring to your hydra as a whole, since you said to deal with you as one. I think it's better if you color code your posts or something, and I'll just tag you guys individually as it is confusing. I have no reason to ask Circus about that quote.

The question still applies to the #HBC| J side.

He can answer it later though, this convo can be on hold for now.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Ranmaru dear god stop. Please for the love of goodness.

How did you know I wanted goodness to love me. GOODNESS PLEASE LOVE ME MY DEAR. :3

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I take that back. I would rather see Jerkus's response (whichever head applies to macman) to #585 later, as that will resolve my question with the closed questioning. Forget my question as Circus was the one who noticed the connection. That is all, sorry for cluttering.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

We should lynch xat or wanted. Mac and jerkus needs more time to fully settle and I dont really want to lynch them over the above mentioned slots or someone like nabe

Why wanted? Do you have a scumread on him? Red, yet you tell me that they should stop talking. I would think you say that so that Xat can come back and respond, and therefore give you a stronger read, but you are already comitted to his lynch...

Cmon man.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Why wanted? Do you have a scumread on him? Red, yet you tell me that they should stop talking. I would think you say that so that Xat can come back and respond, and therefore give you a stronger read, but you are already comitted to his lynch...

Cmon man.

Wanted hasnt done jack****. Thats why I think we could go his way.
I said mac and jerkus and I meant has slots and my reads on them not mac bs jerkus.
I wouldnt say putting a guy at the third vote to lynch him out of 8 is really committed tk his lynch

 

[#HBC | Mac]

We are three days away from deadline. We are not even approaching consensus on a lynch. Half the player roster is still a question mark. I am not going to sit here and lay out a hunch I have on you and giraffes being mates, before I even know for sure that one of you is scum, just to have you dissect and explain why it obviously doesn't mean anything concrete. That gets us NOWHERE.

except this wasn't the case 2-3 days ago when I/Zen/Others asked you to explain your reasoning. Also don't see how making a single post to explain your thought process would prevent us from getting consensus on a lynch / finding a good lynch candidate. If you woulda just made that 1 quick post instead of the billions you've made to dodge the question, the thread would have been a lot less derailed that it has been now.

but w/e go ahead and choose to not answer / be unhelpful and i'll just continue to find it scummy and keep voting you

Since ppl are so tired of this mac/ jerkus thing, i'm not gonna bother with delving further into how J's waffly reasoning isn't an adequate explanation for what Ran was questioning about. maybe if other ppl find the Jerkus slot scummy they can continue to press on

 

[#HBC | Mac]

anyways, @ FullMetalLynch be sayign we should focus on other avenues since we're not getting anywhere with this. I've already discussed how I feel so far about every relevant slot in this game. We need more activity from more ppl in order to really get somewhere, and I mean we're still waiting to see what happens with the xatres wagon

I personally would love to see how @Gheb_01 feels about some of the other **** going down in the thread. Hope he didn't just plan on making one case on FML and bouncing without discussing other **** that's going down.

farreal though, we should lynch an inactive player... i'm cool with it being someone like Bardull since his flip will at least give us some semblance of information from his interactions and what ppl have said about him

alternatively, if the inactive players don't wanna get lynched, I suggest 3 of you guys lay some quick votes on Jerkus and push that lynch through real quick... I totally won't think negatively of you guys if you do so! =D

 

[Lore]

Yeah, I'm keeping my vote on Macman for now. Between earlier stuff and pushing for an inactive or Bardull lynch, I still don't like him.

I really don't like pushing for an inactive lynch where we get jack **** from the flip.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Werekill, can you get to Gheb's case? You said you'd explain what you disagreed with.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yeah, I'm keeping my vote on Macman for now. Between earlier stuff and pushing for an inactive or Bardull lynch, I still don't like him.

I really don't like pushing for an inactive lynch where we get jack **** from the flip.

i hate settling for lynching inactives just as much as the next guy, but it's wayy better than letting players continue to coast and lurk. Plus most of the active players (save Jerkus) don't seem scummy to me so obviously i'm inclined to look elsewhere

 

[Lore]

Werekill, can you get to Gheb's case? You said you'd explain what you disagreed with.

It was a long day at work, and I got heavily distracted by my new Wii U. I apologize. Can I get to it tomorrow? I'm about to sleep.

@ #HBC | Mac I guess, but if I had to pick an inactive I would immediately go to Xatres. My top picks are still you and Giraffes, though. No offense, but I want to see a flip of at least one of you two.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Maybe if you just give me a summary. You can do the rest tomorrow yeah.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

let's omni the **** outta this game. we can easily get the likes of wanted/kuz/nabe replaced out or policied if they're really gonna keep up their play, but i think if we go down the inactive route it should be the of the second-grade tier inactives that have at least made themselves out to be something in thread. bottom line, the overall activity is laughable. our deadline is in three days. i don't wanna totally throw away the Day by lynching a bare balls inactive, but im more than willing to go for the closest group to em. we got 3 days left for crying out loud -.-

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

maybe we can get ashemu to replace in

 

[#HBC | Mac]

let's omni the **** outta this game. we can easily get the likes of wanted/kuz/nabe replaced out or policied if they're really gonna keep up their play, but i think if we go down the inactive route it should be the of the second-grade tier inactives that have at least made themselves out to be something in thread. bottom line, the overall activity is laughable. our deadline is in three days. i don't wanna totally throw away the Day by lynching a bare balls inactive, but im more than willing to go for the closest group to em. we got 3 days left for crying out loud -.-

pretty much exactly what i was thinking when I suggested Bardull, i don't find his RVS posts to be anything but null, but at least he's had a wagon and ppl have discussed it. If we're gonna lynch an inactive I'd wanna get some semblance of info from it...

but tbh i'd be cool with any inactive going (I include gheb in that list too)

@ Nameless @Sworddancer is anyone eligible for replacement?

just realized that Nabe while he's posted a few times has yet to say anything directly about the game. pretty gross

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Oh just saw all the replace slots full haha.

Mod request replacement for Kuz, BardulL, and Wanted

Mod request deadline extension if there are replacements

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Nabe, BarDulL, th3kuzinator, ScaryLB59, Gheb_01, Xatres, x WaNtEd x

correct me if im wrong but i feel like the above players are the ones responsible for the little to no activity that's plaguing the game so far. of the 7, i mentioned the three that are essentially not here. xat has a laughable nonpresence which a vig should take serious consideration toward. gheb is the lightest offender of the 7, but considering that his contribution was an analysis of one players play so far and nothing more is really lame. ive discussed the other two so i won't go further. unless somebody else wants to weigh in, i think it's in our best interest to narrow our lynch pool down to the latter four since they'll at least give us SOME sort of info.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

+1 to deadline extension if we get replacements

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh just saw all the replace slots full haha.

Mod request replacement for Kuz, BardulL, and Wanted

Mod request deadline extension if there are replacements

@mod please ignore this request and follow your own procedures for replacing people

to be fair bardull and scary ARE declared vla. it's nabe kuz and wanted that have been prodded so far, and i don't think any mod will modreplace out slots after ONE prodding (though ive been wrong before).

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Fair enough. Mod request to make me a sandwich

 

[Nameless]

@ Nameless @Sworddancer is anyone eligible for replacement?

Rajam, Joey, and Vult have all volunteered to be replacements (check the op).

Oh just saw all the replace slots full haha.

Mod request replacement for Kuz, BardulL, and Wanted

Mod request deadline extension if there are replacements

BarDulL has just gotten back from a v/la. I'll only replace him if he requests it.

I'm going to ask Kuzi and Wanted if they want to replace out. If I get no answer in two days then I'll force replace them.

I'll consider the deadline extension.

Actually I didn't know that we were so close to deadline. If Wanted replaces then I will extend the deadline by 2 days.

 

[th3kuzinator]

yo i havnt read anything promise something substantial very soon real talk my motivation to play this game is not what it used to be :/

 

[th3kuzinator]

gonna start my read through tn

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (5) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Macman, ScaryLB59, Zack Fair
4. FrozenFlame (1) - BarDulL
5. Macman (1) - Werekill
6. BarDulL (1) - Gorf
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (2) - Nabe, Xatres
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres (2) - Jerkus, FrozenFlame, FullMetalLynch
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) (1) - Gheb_01
13. x WaNtEd x
14. Werekill
15. Zack Fair

Not voting: X WaNtEd X

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Rajam, Joey, and Vult have all volunteered to be replacements (check the op).

yea I meant if any of the currently player slots had yet fit the requirements for their forced replacement. your post answered the question ty

anyways, I think we should assume that we won't get any replacements or extensions

 

[Xivii]

My town read on @ Ilovegiraffes is solidified. #408 had already won me over, but his play since then has removed all doubt. iluv you have been reading my mind these past two pages.

@#HBC | Nabe is a slot I'm OK with. I believe I know his reason for voting iluv, and if it's actually what I'm thinking, then it is very towny type of insight. Nabe please explain your reasoning for your iluv vote.

@ #HBC | Mac is cool in my book for today.

@Xatres reasoning for iluv makes sense to me from a Xatres point of view and I'm OK with him today. However, Xatres this game is not actually that large. Please stop using that as an excuse for not playing the game properly.

@FML you are still a town read of mine, but I feel you have been so anti-town these past couple of pages. You've been **** blocking possibly useful content. First by interjecting between Jerkus and Macman. Then by Ranmaru's questioning of J's slot with regard to his quote from zombies. Please stop block avenues just because you don't personally feel you can get something out of them. There are others who can.

@ Lore is obviously townie. But I feel almost all of your reads are wrong and also that you're being manipulated.

@ #HBC | Gorf you have also been cockblocking a bit. You're white knighting like crazy. Please stop defending your town reads, and let people push what they want, especially when it's on slots that haven't contributed much. Alright, here I'm mainly referring to you shutting down Jerkus for pushing Frozen. That was really frustrating because it was a new interaction and we don't have a lot on Frozen. It's fine disagreeing with reads, but please let peeps explore their own avenues.

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Kooz, Wanted, Bardull I would prefer to be replaced over policy lynched. But the group probably contains at least one scum more likely than not. I feel that lynching one of the scummies below consist of a greater chance at hitting scum though, as opposed to shooting randomly at one of these three.

@X WaNtEd X I vouched for you and you let me down. Thanks a lot man.​

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@ Jerkus has soared very high on my scumdar after the ending of the last page / beginning of this page. Jerkus is a hardcore scum read and the slot I want lynched today without a doubt. Aside from the reasoning presented in #405, here is what has recently solidified my read on Jerkus.

More Forcing Scum Reads

I feel their reaction to Ran's misinterpretation- once again- was far too over the top. Ranmaru and Ryu are both hardcore town. Their reaching for this slot to be scum is quite possibly the most grimy thing about them so far. Especially since J of all people has iluv as his strongest scum read. Ran was clearly just asking for some clarification and it showed that he didn't believe the point he was insinuating to be true if it wasn't the J side who was arguing the logic the hydra was providing. But Jerkus reacted as if Ran was being the most malicious person on earth. His pushing of him is so insincere to me, the same way I feel his Mac push to be insincere. Once again Jerkus has failed to just be straight up in the game. Instead of simply explaining to Ran his inaccuracy, they instead knee-jerk, and twist the situation into Ran being malicious. It seems to me they will use anything to push their made up scum reads.


Appeal & Manipulation

#469 is hella wonky. J was about to push something here but completely backtracked after gorf told him he didn't like it. And since then he has completely abandoned it. J as a person is so independent and gives a **** what other people think about his reads. If he's reading someone a certain way, then he's going to stick to it. His backtrack from his #465 shows clear signs that J cares about his image this game and that he is trying to appeal to gorf- the white knight master. Looking at J's interaction with gorf since then, there is surely something odd there. It is possible that they are so awkward because it is s/s. Right now, however, I'm giving gorf the benefit of the doubt and taking it as J just molding his views to appeal to gorf's. Here's the quotes from #465-#469 for reference:

Spoiler

Well FF, to be fair, you have been incredibly vague and then we you decided to do something, it's actually a whole of nothing. Anyone can get away with activity policing. You were not clear on the fact that you disliked all the wagons, however, you failed to answer my better half's question:

Do you town-read all the current wagons then? You can dislike the wagons, sure, but what are your reads on the slots in question. (I.E. Macman/Jerkus/I<3Giraffe) Plus you put a vote on Wanted yet you don't do much to "pressure" him. If I were to come in and see a vote like that on me I would not even bat an eye, hell I still am not batting an eye because the wagon formed on us is not due to scumspicion put morely based on people disliking that Circus is not spoonfeeding everyone his every thoughts.

You are one I have my eye on FF. I need to talk to Circus since this is the first time in a while just you have played alone, but lately you are kind of dead weight for now.

although i will say that antagonizing frozen doesn't suit your slot very well

Eh if FF wants to have a go with us too then so be it. I'll be heading up that debate if it came down to it, but FF just irks me this game and his buddying of Zen read as disgenuine>town just wanting to buddy. Actually reminded me of what I did to JakeStan in Flavorless.

Not saying that FF is a candidate for toDay, but someone I want to talk to and have a conversation with. Mainly because I disagree with a lot that he has posted.

Other than gorf, I feel it is highly evident that Jerkus is making it a point to appeal to Werekill. I mean what is this even: Monster Mafia - Day One - Deadline is 6/21/14???

Please read those lines of posts and tell me how this fits in at all other than to appeal to WK. This isn't the only time they've done this. They have reiterated how much they like him on multiple occasions. It's quite possible they are lovers. Reason being that 471 was completely random. And also that Werekill has made attempts to handhold their slot, only to be ignored. This makes me feel that (A) they don't want to be too direct/open with their manipulation or (B) they have been answering him in private. Whatever the case is, I very much believe they are trying to manipulate him.

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Another thing of note that was really funky odd suspisous scummy to me was J's #538. The logic presented in this post seems so scum-faked to me. It doesn't line up. J's meta on Scary would insinuate he is scum. But even though the premise to Scary scum is filled, J come so the conclusion of null/nothing on him.

"I asked him to make a huge reads post so I could dissect it and possibly read into it and find a really glaring scum-tell from him since Scary has a problem with reads when he is scum. When he is town, it will show through easily. At the moment, I got nothing from him."


@ScaryLB59 of course is my second strongest scum pick (previously my first) based on the reasoning presented in #405.


@#HBC | FrozeηFlame is odd to me as well. More of a null scum lean. Most of that scum lean in tentative, circumstantial. In the way that Nabe's is for my town read. I really don't like his reads (well mainly his Jerkus read haha) and he doesn't seem to be hunting for scum. Just really reading and commenting. Anyways this is a read that can easily change and I don't really feel strongly about.


@Gheb_01 is null as well. I'm not sure if he really believes his FML post or not. It looked to me as just some sort of Gheb agenda. idk.

Would be satisfied with lynching any of the four above. Actually while typing this I realized I'd rather lynch an inactive over Frozen, but I'd lynch the other three over an inactive.

In my opinion though of course, Jerkus is the best play for today.

 

[Xivii]

@ FullMetalLynch why did you change your read on Mac from town, earlier in the game, to scum? I realize you feel better about him now, but why did you start to dislike him and vote him in the first place when you had him as town?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@ FullMetalLynch @ Lore

How do you guys feel about FrozenFlame and Gheb? (I think you both have commented on Scary already)
How do you feel about Jerkus now after reading Zen's #632?

@ #HBC | Gorf @Gheb_01

How you feeling about Jerkus now?

@#HBC | FrozeηFlame

Same question to you as well, how about Jerkus now? I think you said that you might go back on them if a misstep occurred, and Zen's #632 seems to outline another, which I agree with.

@BarDulL @#HBC | Nabe @Xatres

Get in on this Jerkus wagon. (But consider the votecount, not saying pile all your votes at once) If you support it, voice it first.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I agree on Frozenflame and Gheb. Frozen for having townreads across the board and then nulls, seems like playing it safe to me. I wouldn't look at Frozen today for it, but he is one of concern.

Gheb is also a null. Just has these gut town reads and then comes out of no where to drudge up a case on FML and WHOOSH, gone again.

I also agree on Jerkus being the absolute lynch for toDay. I also didn't like his Xatres push, as it seemed a desperate push to get ANYTHING. (Simply from a few posts from Xatres) I also agree that Xatres is playing like classic Xatres, as I saw him in FEA. He goes by the book, as he scumread me in FEA. I do think he should try to re-evaluate after seeing my response to him.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Now I also would like @ Jerkus to actually respond to Macman's #585 to resolve my question I asked a page or so back.

 

[Lore]

So I'm being manipulated, Zen. I see.

@iluvlongneckedmammals Gheb and FF are both nulls to me; we haven't seen nearly enough from them other than a few posts here and there. These are two slots that will be figured out as the game moves on.

Personally I still like Jerkus. I feel like several points of Zen's argument aren't solid enough to make me stop liking him. I can answer on any of his points you want me to explain why I don't like them, but I'm not going through the whole thing when I still have my FML read to explain.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Get in on this Jerkus wagon. (But consider the votecount, not saying pile all your votes at once) If you support it, voice it first.

But totally pile all your votes in at once


And lol I was suspecting the same thing about Werekill getting manipulated

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Yeah I would like for you to do that. You only need to look at the main points.

I also love how Zen refers to me as I luv you haha.