KillerSOS
Smash Champion
Thought you guys might want to watch it.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E80CF9E839B5BDF8
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E80CF9E839B5BDF8
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Money Match vs OmniOstrich
- Thread starter KillerSOS
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asob4
Smash Champion
i like how you played against him, good job
and uhh is he considered like a good GnW in your area???
and uhh is he considered like a good GnW in your area???
kirbywizard
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well all those matches were ver pleasent to watch
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
He is pretty good. It is not his main though he plays DK so he had to attempt a CP lol. I should have won the RC match =/
Llumys
Smash Champion
Eh.
You weren't bad, but you played like an average Olimar.
You should cut down on the grabbing in place repetitively. Also, rolling so much isn't a good idea. You were really predictable with everything, but I guess it worked. You really need to work on creativity and mindgames, because all I saw was a few grab combos, some tossing and smashes. Also, your line awareness could use a little work. I won't go too detailed, but you just need to play more creatively.
And, just to let you know, Olimar can do aerials without throwing first...
You weren't bad, but you played like an average Olimar.
You should cut down on the grabbing in place repetitively. Also, rolling so much isn't a good idea. You were really predictable with everything, but I guess it worked. You really need to work on creativity and mindgames, because all I saw was a few grab combos, some tossing and smashes. Also, your line awareness could use a little work. I won't go too detailed, but you just need to play more creatively.
And, just to let you know, Olimar can do aerials without throwing first...
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
Why play flashy and risky when proper spacing gets the win?Eh.
You weren't bad, but you played like an average Olimar.
You should cut down on the grabbing in place repetitively. Also, rolling so much isn't a good idea. You were really predictable with everything, but I guess it worked. You really need to work on creativity and mindgames, because all I saw was a few grab combos, some tossing and smashes. Also, your line awareness could use a little work. I won't go too detailed, but you just need to play more creatively.
And, just to let you know, Olimar can do aerials without throwing first...
I started playing G&W like...that week lol. I know what i did wrong so dont worry about making me feel bad >_>
Llumys
Smash Champion
Yes, proper spacing gets the job done, but being predictable hurts you a lot.
Kyas
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, the G&W matchup leaves little flexibility for mindgames and creativity. If an olimainer wants to win, he generally has to play rather robotically against G&W, and just go for every opening, every time.Eh.
You weren't bad, but you played like an average Olimar.
You should cut down on the grabbing in place repetitively. Also, rolling so much isn't a good idea. You were really predictable with everything, but I guess it worked. You really need to work on creativity and mindgames, because all I saw was a few grab combos, some tossing and smashes. Also, your line awareness could use a little work. I won't go too detailed, but you just need to play more creatively.
And, just to let you know, Olimar can do aerials without throwing first...
At least, that's the way it works in my experience.
Llumys
Smash Champion
I disagree, actually. I, for one, tend to do a lot better when I play creatively against a Game & Watch.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Of course not, but you can always do better.
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
He will eventually, or at least thats the plan. Once I learn to tech chase dthrow and can switch up my uair nair upB juggle effectively enough i should be able to win consistently on stages without platforms to camp (BF mainly).
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
I have so many things to say.Eh.
You weren't bad, but you played like an average Olimar.
You should cut down on the grabbing in place repetitively. Also, rolling so much isn't a good idea. You were really predictable with everything, but I guess it worked. You really need to work on creativity and mindgames, because all I saw was a few grab combos, some tossing and smashes. Also, your line awareness could use a little work. I won't go too detailed, but you just need to play more creatively.
And, just to let you know, Olimar can do aerials without throwing first...
Grabbing in place works. It confuses people and you can move in a moments notice. As soon as they try to jump over to punish you perfect shield or roll.
You have to be predicitable in that matchup because it WORKS. I use the correct moves to counter what he is using. Its called playing SAFE. Olimar doesn't have many mindgames lolz. Just some pivot grabbing stuff.
Oh and when it comes to ariels WHY IN THE WORLD would you try to fight GAW in the air???? That is the worst thing you said in your entire argument.
Rinehart
Smash Journeyman
I did heard that Oli's Upair>G&W's Key ;D.
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
Only works like half the time... depends on how GAW DI's on the way down.
Cook
Smash Master
If the Oli doesn't tech the d-throw (which KillerSOS didn't) then just d-smash. It sends Oli at a terrible angle.
Also, KillerSOS, don't take the full turtle. If you get hit by it then SDI up and a little toward G&W and drop a fast-falled n-air on him, followed by up-smash. I love doing that; it makes the G&W sorry they ever hit me in the first place.
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
Yeah I was screwing up the tech so much =/
I don't mind the turtle but I will try what you said.
thanks for the advice.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Go back to worshipping Fino, scrubs. AndyG and KillerSOS style is where it's at.
Llumys
Smash Champion
I doubt grabbing in place three times, tossing a few, then grabbing a few more times will work against someone who actually knows how to play against Olimar well. I know grabbing in place works, but grabbing in place over and over isn't worth anything. You can move, but if they're smart they'll just punish your roll or sheild...
... and that's why you're an amateur Olimar. No offense, but saying your character doesn't have any mindgames, and the only thing he can do is pivot grab, is a terrible thing to say. You're limiting your Olimar to average play and I don't think you'll get any better just by grabbing, smashing and tossing. You have to play smart. I'm pretty sure virtually everyone here comes to these boards to get better and or to help people out.
Olimar's up air beats G-dubs' down air. You can jump on top of his fair/bair if spaced and timed correctly. You could've landed so many things in the air on him, you just didn't have faith in your character.
Olimar can do more than grab...
Cook
Smash Master
During the first match he up-aired a TON.
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
I do upair alot.... lol
Watch the videos again. On BF there is no reason to U-air as U smash is much easier and the platforms support that fully. There is no reason to attempt to perfectly space GAWs B air when you can just pikmin throw for nearly the same amount of damage. I do have faith in my char. I just use the safest possible moves.
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
Uairing G&W Dair is the only thing Olimar should be doing in the air against G&W.
G&W can Nair if you try to get above him and Olimar cant stop that, the whole objective of G&W in the match is to get Olimar in the air so he can juggle, you really dont want to voluntarily get in that position. Playing boring is safe, there is no reason to play flashy and risky.
Cook
Smash Master
My matches against G&W are always hella boring, but I usually win. The best way to beat him is just to camp really hard and punish.
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
This.
I donno why people are saying I am not "flashy" enough.
thats not how to win with Olimar.
If you like flashy go play MK.... or Cpt Falcon lol
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
Llumys
Smash Champion
Playing boring is always safe if you're smart, but you can play safe and flashy.
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I noticed some things you can work on.
-Someone mentioned DI up and towards G&W against the turle. It works. Do it.
-Try incorporating more upb. It's incredibly safe because of it's range and angle. Use it more to finish combos, but don't sacrifice your safety and/or stage position to do it. ALSO, when you do decide to use upb against G&W, you have to land laglessly (short hop or land on platform), or if you miss, he'll just key you.
-Pivotgrab! Where'd it go??
-Key versus upair: From my experience, the key will only beat your upair if the key's hitbox touches Olimar's hurtbox. If you do get beat out, it means you either didn't use it quickly enough, or the pikmin didn't reach G&W's hurtbox.
-Work on teching the dsmash.
-If you're going to be predictable, make sure you're safe while doing so. Your grabbing at nothing is safe because you were spaced from him, but if he gets close enough to punish it, then don't do it anymore.
-Someone mentioned DI up and towards G&W against the turle. It works. Do it.
-Try incorporating more upb. It's incredibly safe because of it's range and angle. Use it more to finish combos, but don't sacrifice your safety and/or stage position to do it. ALSO, when you do decide to use upb against G&W, you have to land laglessly (short hop or land on platform), or if you miss, he'll just key you.
-Pivotgrab! Where'd it go??
-Key versus upair: From my experience, the key will only beat your upair if the key's hitbox touches Olimar's hurtbox. If you do get beat out, it means you either didn't use it quickly enough, or the pikmin didn't reach G&W's hurtbox.
-Work on teching the dsmash.
-If you're going to be predictable, make sure you're safe while doing so. Your grabbing at nothing is safe because you were spaced from him, but if he gets close enough to punish it, then don't do it anymore.