MLG Melee

[Morin0]

Hi, is there anyone on here that went to MLG's tournaments when they had Melee in their circuit? I was wondering if anyone remembers if the way the tournament ran was ran better in comparison to the most recent grassroot nationals (e.g., Apex). Can you be specific?

 

[Cactuar]

They threw money at the winners.

 

[Tink]

ya, it was pretty dope 0_0....they treated melee very legitly other then dropping us =((.

 

[Morin0]

They threw money at the winners.

ya, it was pretty dope 0_0....they treated melee very legitly other then dropping us =((.

Well, what I'm trying to get here is whether a company like MLG with the means of money, can host a better and more efficient tournament than say, a grassroot national like Apex. DmBrandon, one of the hosts of Apex, said that Apex wasn't even a Smash tournament.

 

[Tink]

it all depends on what tournament you would be comparing it too really....i mean, the best tournaments for smash imo were the FC's(grass root tourny series).....but for compensation, nothing beat mlg and what they could do with their sponsors....mlg just seemed big time....big everything....and it was def an awesome experience. stepping into a football size builiding with 1000s of ppl.....the rooms were electrifying.

 

[BigD!!!]

mlg's werent run any differently, they just paid some grassroots smash TOs to run the tournaments

they occasionally had some dumb rules, and they had a season so there was some seeding in place, but it was mostly the same style tournament

they generally brought a lot of tv's though, that helped

 

[Sinji]

I miss MLG..... sob.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Aside from most people are mentioning: MLG tournaments ran on time.

 

[Morin0]

Aside from most people are mentioning: MLG tournaments ran on time.

This is what I mean by running more efficiently. Do you know why MLG tournaments ran on time?

 

[Tink]

they just had the means too...they always had AMPLEE setups that allowed things to flow smoothly.....staff helped too, cause they wernt scrubs and knew how to run tournaments.

they also made their own version of our pool system that made things go alot faster(not better tho).

 

[Strong Badam]

It's really important to have tourney staff that aren't participating in the tournament. Then you can always have someone running stuff.

 

[Bones0]

Yeah, staffing is a lot more of a help than most people think. I only attended one MLG event for Halo, but they had a ref for every pair of matches (every 4 teams of 4). That basically meant that at any instant there was a ref within "loud talking distance" to tell you to start the game, what the game type was, your opponent is having technical difficulties, etc.

 

[Gea]

TOs really aren't supposed to enter their own events, but the community doesn't really care

 

[Strong Badam]

Good luck trying to find someone that cares enough about the game to host an event yet still wouldn't enter their own event for locals.

 

[Rubyiris]

^I've considered being a dedicated TO a few times, actually.

 

[Strong Badam]

okay that's one. how many local scenes are there? approximately 40 million?

 

[Rubyiris]

Not enough. :3

If it would attract larger audiences, I would totally be down for helping the community out by being a dedicated TO.

MLG, like any other major sponsored event ran on time due to various factors, such as structure, and ample set ups.

For Yugioh, Pokemon, Etc, we run tournaments far earlier than Melee/Brawl does. It's always confused me why you guys start so ****ing late when tournaments take far longer to run than competitive TCGs do. If Yugioh tournaments with 2000-3000 people can end around 6PM DAY TWO with like 30 side events throughout the weekend, why can't we end a tournament on ****ing time? Start registrations around 8 or 9 am. enforce a time-limit cutout without prior arrangements. set up time limits for tournament sets, and force sets to end that take too long. force automatic game losses for people who show up late, and full set losses for people who show up even later. Provide more incentive for people to bring TVs. Provide T.O.s with incentive to be a full-time T.O. for the event.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Actually I think the big reason was DQ's in both the Melee days and Brawl. For Brawl, for example, we only had 20 setups for a 250 person tournament and averaged over 180 people over the 5 MLG events. It was straight double elimination, but even then that would have been impossible to do without adhering to a very strict time schedule.

I DQd the #2 overall player in the country (Ally) out of winners and a few other top 20 players in the same tournament for being late. Most TOs will not have the guts to do that, and the few that have done it (myself, Plank, a few others) have gotten flak because enough people side with the top-players for bad reasons that is makes things difficult. Sigh.

But really, almost every single large tournament I've seen can trace their issues with time to not DQing people. Setups is an issue, but as a TO, you know the amount of time you have to work with, and you know the amount of setups you have to use. Therefor you should be able to derive a schedule that will finish the tournament in that timeframe, failure to do so is either bad/terrible planning or matches running longer which is usually (entirely) do to players not showing up on time.

 

[GTZ]

I agree with 95% of this, except that T/O's can't enter their own events. I am passionate about the game, and carry that passion into competing in my events. The community has had no issues whatsoever with this and my tourneys have been running pretty well considering the high turnout.

 

[Bones0]

I agree with 95% of this, except that T/O's can't enter their own events. I am passionate about the game, and carry that passion into competing in my events. The community has had no issues whatsoever with this and my tourneys have been running pretty well considering the high turnout.

From what I can tell, most TOs have no problem playing in their own tournaments. It can certainly become a big deal though. TOs are infamous for their friends with good seeds, so you can imagine how often TOs either intentionally seed themselves above what they really should be, or even unintentionally due to simple bias. Often times it works out because a lot of TOs accept that they aren't that good or they are just hosting locals where their general ranking is pretty known, but there HAVE been scenarios where the TO favors themselves FAR above where anyone else would have seeded them.

 

[Gea]

Isn't it a legal issue (technically) that TOs are not supposed to enter their own events? Pretty sure it is. That's why I said no one really cares about it, but it is still a no-no.

 

[iRobinhoood]

I think it leaves a more professional vibe if TOs don't enter their tournaments. It just looks more organized and structured and gives the TOs more time to focus on tasks at hand.

 

[dmac]

fun fact: mlg dallas (melee, 2006?) singles pools were limited to only two matches in a set, ie, you could have a 1-1 set count and it was done

 

[NTA]

didn't know apex wasn't a smash tournament

 

[Morin0]

Surely I'm not the only one that thinks a majority of the tournaments shown here are Smash tournaments. You don't simply add a couple of other games (for the sake of sponsors and moar attendance) and not call it a Smash tournament. That's just not right :'(