MKGD: A new Bat watches over the town

[sGale]

Well, might as well post in here too. I'm a relatively new MK main. Been to two tourneys (One OoC) and I'd like to think I'm improving quickly. Nice to meetcha

 

[GOofyGV]

hi there =)

 

[Reckless4Christ]

I've been to two tourneys as well, have one or two more next month

 

[sGale]

I may go to a tourney in April, if I have money by then. Problem is, the host doesn't really like MK, and he initially wanted him banned, but it was argued against, and now he has added alot of other restrictions, like MK can't pick port first, and Omnigay is banned with MK, but not with Kirby :/

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Why would someone ban MK Omnigay but not Kirby Omnigay?

 

[TM_icecream]

Go Kirby in dubs

 

[Joaco]

You don't really need those things to win. F*ck stupid TOs who hate mk.

 

[KassandraNova]

Meh, this game has always been divided by rules.

You'd think we'd all be used to it by now. @_@

Also Hello new little bats~~

 

[sGale]

Ya, there isn't really any Snakes here, so w/e It just feels kind of annoying when some people can't respect a person playing MK :/

 

[Player-4]

Just split for first in dubs with Trela last weekend

 

[GOofyGV]

ow that's really nice =O good job<3

 

[sGale]

Trela plays again? Cool :D Any use of Anubis?

 

[Player-4]

Plenty of use of Anubis

 

[sGale]

Coolio. I actually enjoy using that strategy, but hate using it. Same thing with camping/timing out

 

[Reckless4Christ]

enjoy AND hate it?^

 

[sGale]

Yep. Super boring to watch, but I enjoy doing it. Can't really explain why, maybe I'm a bad person who like to see people suffer

 

[GOofyGV]

or rather seeining game characters suffer

 

[sGale]

Eh, that too Wish I had a Lucario that I could team with regularly. The best option for a static team-mate I have is a R.O.B./Marth :/

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Seriously?I only have an Ike to team with, and that's not even ALL the time.
AND I barely even use MK in doubles, I mostly go Ness & Fox.

 

[sGale]

Yeah, problem is: Our synergy sucks donkey-balls xD Speaking of dubz, what kind of MK do you guys play in dubz? Aggro, support, do you switch? And favorite team combination?

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Me and the Ike that I team with both go aggressive...
Not pretty...

 

[BlueXenon]

 

[ぱみゅ]

Oh, Xyro.
lol those rules, none of them actually matter for MK.
srsly, when TOs can't make good rulesets because of their sentiment for/against players, characters, stages, etc, you have all the right of complain.
Even I had to make changes on mines, like reducing the stagelist from 21 to 17.

 

[sGale]

http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=14031 Here is the tourney I'm talking about. Ignore the swedish section and go down to the rules. Pretty dumb

 

[ぱみゅ]

So GW's clause IS a rule. And people are still too lazy to strike 11 stages. I died a little inside...
I have always disliked limiting Infinites (mainly because you never know when something is actually an infinite, like DDD's on any non-DK character), but that aside, why would anyone ban any infinite except Ganondorf's on Wario? In the end it won't matter anyway, but WTF?

The whole thing is surgical as hell.

 

[sGale]

You should have seen it before... ZSS infinite on R.O.B. was limited to 120%...

 

[GOofyGV]

lol banning every infinite on your own character (xzx=wario main) and your brothers(ccst)character who mains rob.

anyway we need some kind of life in here. Anyone feels like discussing some mu's or teams for MK in doubles with me?

 

[sGale]

I'm up for dubz talk Any specific team? I have exp. in teaming with R.O.B. and Marth if it means anything.

 

[ぱみゅ]

You can start at any time, I'll follow you (:

btw, if the waifu argument from a couple pages back would've continued, we even could've changed the thread title to "Be a better player by being loyal to your waifu" or "Your waifu gives you superpowers". But it didn't soo.... Matchup away!

 

[GOofyGV]

yay MU dubz talk.
most of the times I am the one giving answeres. Anyway
to start mu discussions.
Should we ever use our tilt game vs Snake?
I actualy think it's great to punish his ftilt or utilt once he misses but we can also grab which is much better vs Snake. and if we miss Ftilt 3 we probably have some fresh 21%,grab or an Utilt @ kill%

about doubles
as MK should you be the tank or the slayer if you team with Wario. I think Wario is a better tank then MK in this team.

EDIT: I'm 100% no wait 200% loyal to my waifu :O

 

[sGale]

From what I've experienced with Wario, MK should go aggro. He has great setups for Wario and I find Wario to be able to cover MK quite well. Tires are always fun to use. Also, Wario has kind of the best D-Throw for doubles imo, as it combos into everything really.

I don't really have any Snake experience. From what I've played, it's just to spot the holes in his camping, and punish them. I prefer to punish stuff with grabs, mostly B/U-Throw, since D-Throw blows up nades (That is, if they are on the ground)

 

[GOofyGV]

yeah I see al ot of mk's just going in on him dsmash and get blowed up by nades. to play good vs Snake you need to play really patient and bait/adapt really well. As foor MK wario I kinda think MK's Dthrow is better then Wario's :$ since you got tons of infinite combo's with it. japanese do it so much. Dthrow>peanut repeat,Dthrow MK,s bair first hit then grab and repeat. You should look up the video (maguro and Kakera vs M2K and Vinnie from srt) but yeah MK can also combo stuff really weel into Wario's fart.

 

[sGale]

What exactly is it that makes the D-Throw + Peanut thing possible? Is it just the popgun having really low damage/knockback?

 

[GOofyGV]

yes. every move with 0 knockback can do that. damage doesn't matter. if you hit the mk without knockback the oponent will suffer from grabrelease lag which allows the mk who didn't have any knockback or hitstun to regrab before the oponent can react. It works with things like MK's bair, Diddy's popgun, Lucario's aura sphere, Mario's fire ball etc.

 

[sGale]

Oh, that's cool :D Makes MK even more broken in teams

 

[Reckless4Christ]

Yeah I was a victim of this against Player-1 and his teammate

 

[KassandraNova]

I like mk + toonlink, and well....any not garbage character. xD

 

[ぱみゅ]

MK is far from perfect, but he's extremely versatile, he's basically an excellent complement for pretty much everything. Getting gimped? MK saves you. Lacking range? MK adds pressure. Laggy attacks? MK punishes punish attempts. Need a stock tank? MK can camp. Heck, even Olimar, Snake, Falco, TL and others don't need to use their projectiles much because MK is all the pressure they need.
The problem with MK is that he can't do everything at the same time. He can't be the stock tank and add pressure, or pressure and save you all the time. Which is why I feel double MK is not perfect. It would be perfect if both MK have absolute complementary styles, or are well-synchronised to switch offensive, pressure, defensive, safe, etc just as they need to... But that's realistically impossible, so the team has its flawls.

 

[Joaco]

> For Meta Knight, the G&W clause is disregarded by any means.
wtf is this?
btw 10 minute matches booooring

 

[ぱみゅ]

Thinking a little more on it, the rule written like that is even dumber than I originally thought.
-I'm guessing it implies that MK is always considered the "loser" of it, but it should say so.
-The "GW clause" doesn't even include port selection lol
-What about MK dittos?

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