MK overrated?

[BOB SAGET!]

this thread is for the discussion of why MK is 1 on the tier list and whether or not he deserves to be 1 on the tier list please give explanations after your answer

 

[Falconv1.0]

I dont think you could possibly debate how he isn't the best character in the game...

 

[BOB SAGET!]

well hes light and lacks projectiles and has few ko moves. skilled player can jump up from mach tornado and dair mk.

 

[Falconv1.0]

well hes light and lacks projectiles and has few ko moves. skilled player can jump up from mach tornado and dair mk.

Yeah you aren't going to go anywhere with super general statements like that.

Mk has very fast kill moves, has amazing recovery, best gimper in the game, retardedly good range, his attacks besides for glide go through everything, etc etc. You cant just tackle that with statements like people can dair him through tornado. It's not that simple.

/thread

 

[BigLøu]

he doesnt need kill moves. He can jump out and **** your *** with gimps.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

he can gimp the best but he also cant spike

 

[=)@MePlz]

What Falconv1.0 said.

Meat Knight (that's right) is too good for the metagame.

The best in:

• Gimping
• Recovery
• Killing
• Range
• Planking

Tell me 5 characters that can beat ALL OF THAT.

He also has the best matchups.

/thread.

 

[BigLøu]

he doesnt need to spike either if he can already **** you by gimping. If he could spike too then more people would complain about mk. He could literally fly out to you and spike you then safely return

 

[yodazeltchy1]

he can gimp the best but he also cant spike

i've spiked people with metaknight befre you have to do his drill rush attack and just hit the very tip of there heads and instant KO XD(did no-one know that?

 

[=)@MePlz]

he can gimp the best but he also cant spike

When you can gimp too well, you don't need spikes.

Do you want Meat Knight (correct) to **** even more? Besides, his dair is better than a spike. High priority, range, combo potential. That's all you need.

That's what I thought.

 

[lil cj]

"MK Overrated?"

Nope he's the best character in the game obviously
he has proved himself numerous times by winning tournies
He's so good that he has his own tier and might get banned
He's every characters worst nightmare
He has no unwinnable matchups
his main kill move is the fastest in the game
he has priority for days
and he's the king of gimping

MK=The Best

 

[=)@MePlz]

i've spiked people with metaknight befre you have to do his drill rush attack and just hit the very tip of there heads and instant KO XD(did no-one know that?

A lot of us do, actually. But who's going to use it in tournament play?

Welcome to the Smash World Forums btw.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

he is the best gimper. ROB is way better at recovering. MK needs to get enemies at high precentages in order to actually kill someone. unlike other characters. range is good but not the best. marth certainly outclasses MK in range. he is the best at planking.

 

[BigLøu]

actually mks disjointed hitboxes allowd him to have more range then marth.(i think?)
rob is not better at recovering, mk can do 5 jumps, and if thats not enough he can GLIDE, and if THATS not enough he can drill rush and auto sweetspot the edge.
once again, he doesnt need kill moves, he can throw u off the stage and then **** you with gimps. (dair)

 

[Falconv1.0]

he is the best gimper. ROB is way better at recovering. MK needs to get enemies at high precentages in order to actually kill someone. unlike other characters. range is good but not the best. marth certainly outclasses MK in range. he is the best at planking.

ROB can be gimped, MK is almost impossible to gimp. MK ***** Marth in a 65/35 match up, so uh, who cares. MK has better match ups than any character you can name.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

wat match up thread/chart did u read

 

[=)@MePlz]

ROB is way better at recovering.

Do you even know the metagame? ROB's burner can and will run out.

This is how you recover: 4 jumps, glide, Shuttle Loop.

MK needs to get enemies at high precentages in order to actually kill someone.

Are you ********? If you can't below 100%, you're horrible with Meta Knight. He's the BEST edgeguarder in the game. Fair, jumps, Fair. Comeback with Shuttle Loop.

range is good but not the best. marth certainly outclasses MK in range.

But when you bring in the priority, it magnifies. It doesn't even matter anymore. Fair has so high priority IT'S A APPROACH BY ITSELF. If can't believe you even main Meta Knight.

You should educate yourself on the metagame.

 

[Praxis]

he is the best gimper. ROB is way better at recovering. MK needs to get enemies at high precentages in order to actually kill someone. unlike other characters. range is good but not the best. marth certainly outclasses MK in range. he is the best at planking.

ROB can cover more distance, but his recovery leaves him vulnerable.
MK's does not.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

i dont mean in prioriy i mean in just range. i main MK, and im pretty good with him, im not trying to put him down im just tired of people saying he outclasses other characters even though its the gamer not the character that decides who wins the match. i do believe he so far should be 1 in the tier list though as the game evolves new strategies will takeover

 

[=)@MePlz]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179463

It's the OFFICIAL MATCHUP THREAD. It's stickied. HOW COULD YOU EVEN MISS IT?!

Get off the MK boards. I'm serious. Once you know the metagame, come back and see how rapetastic MK is.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Diddy:
* Gimping
-Side-B > Footstool on MK (automatic)
-Dair spike
-Barrel spike
-nana lock > Grab release > spike
-nana lock > any Smash attack
These options put Diddy on roughly the same plain as MK, it just requires a much better player to execute than it does with MK (as with everything Diddy)
* Recovery
-peanut reversal
-side b
-side b gets refreshed when hit
-Barrel has long range, tilted angle, and explodes on contact with opponent (which after a brief recovery you can then up-B again)
(These things are great, but MK has Diddy beat here, sigh)
* Killing
(Both Diddy and MK suck at killing. They can KILL, but they aren't Ike. Gimping =/= killing, ie, at what percent without gimps you can expect to get kills, for both Diddy and MK its over 140%)
* Range
(Diddy wins this hands down. You can't mess with bananas)
* Planking
(Planking doesn't work against Diddy)

So MK versus Diddy:
Gimps: Tie
Recovery: MK's Favor
Killing: Tie
Range: Diddy's favor
Planking: no ones favor cause it doesn't work for either character

 

[Falconv1.0]

Ok you can shut up now.

No, it is like agreed upon by the entire community that he has NO bad match ups and not even half the cast goes even with him. Get some freaking knowledge before you make these threads.

 

[=)@MePlz]

i dont mean in prioriy i mean in just range. i main MK, and im pretty good with him, im not trying to put him down im just tired of people saying he outclasses other characters even though its the gamer not the character that decides who wins the match. i do believe he so far should be 1 in the tier list though as the game evolves new strategies will takeover

Maining MK is so easy a caveman can do it.

It's usually the gamer.

Sorry, but if you're playing MK, it's the character. He has NO bad matchups. He's broken. PM me a vid of yours, and I might change my mind.

 

[Teran]

If you're talking about the viewpoint that Meta Knight is the best character in the game, then no he's not overrated.

If you're talking about the viewpoint that Meta Knight is broken then yes, he is overrated.

Maining MK is so easy a caveman can do it.

Then why don't you?

 

[=)@MePlz]

Diddy:
* Gimping
-Side-B > Footstool on MK (automatic)
-Dair spike
-Barrel spike
-nana lock > Grab release > spike
-nana lock > any Smash attack
These options put Diddy on roughly the same plain as MK, it just requires a much better player to execute than it does with MK (as with everything Diddy)
* Recovery
-peanut reversal
-side b
-side b gets refreshed when hit
-Barrel has long range, tilted angle, and explodes on contact with opponent (which after a brief recovery you can then up-B again)
(These things are great, but MK has Diddy beat here, sigh)
* Killing
(Both Diddy and MK suck at killing. They can KILL, but they aren't Ike. Gimping =/= killing, ie, at what percent without gimps you can expect to get kills, for both Diddy and MK its over 140%)
* Range
(Diddy wins this hands down. You can't mess with bananas)
* Planking
(Planking doesn't work against Diddy)

So MK versus Diddy:
Gimps: Tie
Recovery: MK's Favor
Killing: Tie
Range: Diddy's favor
Planking: no ones favor cause it doesn't work for either character

Thanks Alpha. This is why I mained Diddy.

Wait...Isn't the matchup 55:45 MK? Still, it doesn't matter. BANANAS!!!!

 

[Falconv1.0]

If you're talking about the viewpoint that Meta Knight is the best character in the game, then no he's not overrated.

If you're talking about the viewpoint that Meta Knight is broken then yes, he is overrated.

^This

Ok, I think we've come to the conclusion he's a pillock and this thread can die now?

 

[Jigglymaster]

What makes MK's recovery stupid is that his up b dosn't have much vertical recovery and glide won't help you from way below, however his b foward makes up for that since he can go strait up with it and it gives an extra jump at the end of it making it possible for MK to recover from like anywhere.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

I can tell you're blind to the metagame and that you're an anti-tier, so this post is meaningless. That being said, I'll post anyway because I lurves ROB.

ROB's recovery is good, but you have to recharge it. VS MK, ROB's recovery is null and void because he can edgeguard with ledgehang>fair (priority) repeatedly until ROB's booster is out. even if ROB grabs the edge, his booster does not recharge and MK can stage bounce him.
MK's recovery IS EXCELLENT. He can glide. He can attack out of his glide. He has an up+B kill move that leads into a glide. he has a mach tornado recover as well as side and down B. So he has 5 jumps, a glid and every special is a recovery move. He has his infinite dimensional cape glitch.
someone close this? its blasphemy.

 

[akkon888]

He is the best character in the game, it is a widely accepted fact. The ONLY people I can see who might have a slight advantage over him (Again this is a SLIGHT advantage like 52:48 or something) Would be Falco and DDK.

Falco can semi prevent Mach Tornado with reflector. He is also quite hard to gimp if he is knocked off horizontally and uses Phantasm. I believe he can CG MK to about 45%, and follow through with a dair spike, and based on the stage, it might kill him. Aerial lasers can stop some of MK's recoveries, such as his glide. MK has the superiority in gimp, and that is what keeps him on top mainly, the fact that he can fight and no one can fight back.

DDK has a pretty versatile projectile, as well as good aerials that compare with MK's. I really do not know much about DDK other than the fact that their boards were debating 45:55 D or 50:50 vs MK.

Oh, and MK is NOT the least gimpable char in the game. GW is probably the least gimpable.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

I can tell you're blind to the metagame and that you're an anti-tier, so this post is meaningless. That being said, I'll post anyway because I lurves ROB.

ROB's recovery is good, but you have to recharge it. VS MK, ROB's recovery is null and void because he can edgeguard with ledgehang>fair (priority) repeatedly until ROB's booster is out. even if ROB grabs the edge, his booster does not recharge and MK can stage bounce him.
MK's recovery IS EXCELLENT. He can glide. He can attack out of his glide. He has an up+B kill move that leads into a glide. he has a mach tornado recover as well as side and down B. So he has 5 jumps, a glid and every special is a recovery move. He has his infinite dimensional cape glitch.
someone close this? its blasphemy.

this is for the discussion of why MK is 1. i do believe he should be 1 but it is possible for someone to takeover 1

 

[Falconv1.0]

1 but it is possible for someone to takeover 1

For the last time

NO NO NO NO NO

 

[Hylian]

Yes, MK is 1st on the tier list:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214428