Missed tech Flame Choke followups confirmed by Japanese

[A2ZOMG]

From http://sns.prtls.jp/smashterra/newly_diary_login.html?id=398&did=034b3a35167de914b

You get NO followups on the following:





Jab only on:



D-tilt only on:



D-tilt and F-tilt on:




D-tilt and F-tilt and Jab on:





D-smash


The tests do not include Miis, Shulk's Monado arts, and how DI affects followups (especially the D-smash one on Olimar). Dash Attack was not tested either due to difficulty of input on a 3DS. I can't really understand the other remarks they made given I'm working with google translate.

They also call the testing preliminary, and that things may be wrong or missing. I'll be editing this either when I hear word from anyone that there are corrections.

I'm personally keeping my eye on this, just for curiosity's sake. Good to know there's Japanese enthusiasm for Ganondorf at least.

 

[Exalted]

It's kinda funny how Ganon, in a way, is immune to his own Flame Choke.

 

[Shogger]

From http://sns.prtls.jp/smashterra/newly_diary_login.html?id=398&did=034b3a35167de914b
Good to know there's Japanese enthusiasm for Ganondorf at least.

I've seen some pretty sick Japanese Ganondorfs. Hear hear.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Might as well move Marth to the no follow ups list and add Greninja as well. I played against them online and I couldn't land any of his tilts or jabs, otherwise the list is accurate, I can vouch for it because I've faced this characters online and wasn't able to land a single move after Flame Choke.
Except for Sheik, I was able to follow-up on her with Down Tilt but perhaps the player wasn't teching enough.

 

[HeavyLobster]

Could someone test Dark Fists? Flame Choke -> Dark Fists registers as a true combo in the same way FC -> Dtilt does in training mode on Mario and Dark Fists kills him(no vectoring) off the top of FD at 80%, so it would be really good to know if that can be landed reliably.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Any information if there are any characters that can NOT tech flame choke?

 

[Z1GMA]

Seems like "Soft Tilting" is not needed to properly buffer after a Gerudo.

 

[Opana]

Might sound kinda stupid, but I go by the rule that agile human(Or human-like, aka Greninja) fighters aren't affected. I know that's not true, but it helps me remember, then just focus on the exceptions.

 

[rahsosprout]

http://smashboards.com/threads/flame-choke-follow-up-guide.371320/

posted this a while ago, but it's different from brawl in that followups are actually dependent on what they do. (roll away can have different results from roll towards)

buffering another side b on greninja or marth or cf (many more) catches them before they even fully come out of the roll if they try to roll away.

 

[Lilfut]

This isn't 100% accurate from what I can tell. You can land dtilts on A LOT more than just the characters listed, and some bigger characters (such as bowser and dk) can be hit with an fsmash.

 

[Z1GMA]

This isn't 100% accurate from what I can tell. You can land dtilts on A LOT more than just the characters listed, and some bigger characters (such as bowser and dk) can be hit with an fsmash.

What you see is a list of what attacks are garantueed to hit if they fail to tech the Flame Choke.

 

[Xinc]

Any information if there are any characters that can NOT tech flame choke?

I haven't seen any character not been able to tech yet. Isn't it just a player's skill? Could be just me though.