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[Vinylic.]

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THAT* JUST BOTHERS ME.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'd also like to point out that xatres can make some overexessive points that may mislead others, although very informative. I'd want to stay cautious over this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No. Ryu was not pointing that out, at all.

Order of events:
- I post "Hey, I'm not the sex robot, **** sucks."
- Ryu calls me scum exclusively for that post and votes for me.
- Ryu asks what the sex robot is and why I posted that, because he hasn't read the flavour post.
- I explain that I'm Mr. Sex, but more importantly I explain that I think Sex Robot to be cult, and wanted cult.
- Ryu says he wanted to be cult too.

The only reason Ryu voted for me was because I did something extremely common during confirmation phases, especially in open setups, which is that I didn't get a specific role. That's it.


@ #HBC | Red Ryu
Why did you like Xatres' post quoted above, when you know his interpretation to be entirely incorrect?

I liked his post because it is a tell I look for.

I don't like how you confirmed into the game.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

unvote

@ Xatres
What do you think of gheb and why?

@ Vinylic.
The reason why I didn't respond to your 3812 was because I understood that you were saying that you liked how nabe was trying to take matters into his own hands, instead of just cruising early game like he could have. I agree with that. I still think that some of his other actions have been more dammning.

And I'm curious where you're getting the "informative" part of xatres' posts. If they're misleading, wouldn't that make him the opposite of informative?

And I am trying to cook up something.

Meth.

 

[Vinylic.]

Good, good. I'll be expecting it. Xatres had made some points that are pretty good, but he also tries a little to hard, which results in others thinking that he's trying to reach. This made me look more into lynching him than ryu last game, and others agreed which lead to a loss. I'm not a fan of making mistakes, so I tend to look a little more harder. I think he's town right now, because

I'm pretty sure what he was actually pointing out is that you complained about not rolling indy. This can be seen as a scumtell, in the same way a person bringing up the doctor can be a scumtell/doctell. The first person to directly mention said roll often reflects on them possibly having that roll. It's a general rule, not absolutely proof, but can be a decent reason to pressure. These posts for example:

Basically... your post was a minor scumtell, RR pressures, interaction ensues.

This is informative.

For my part, I'm leaning towards Nabe as scum and RR as town.

Other possible scummy Nabe actions.

1. Unvoting and revoting RR during their interaction

2. Trying to deflect RR's attention to Vinyl as soon as voted RR

3. This post, which shows you tip-toeing around directly referencing a scum role. A basic, weak linguistic tell. Basically people tend to be more wordy when a subject makes them uncomfortable.

This is excessive, less or more. 2 and 3 that makes me think this was over the line.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

This is informative.

It's also not a town tell. Anyone can give armchair advice explaining why they think X is a scum tell.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

What am I doing

Unvote, Vote: Xatres

I'd still really like to hear what you think of gheb

 

[Xatres]

I love how whenever I make a point that is weak, and I point it out as weak, people still jump on me for "reaching."

Guys, I know it's reachy, but I'm not going to ignore a piece of evidence even if it's not enough to make a complete case.

@ #HBC | Nabe - Your reaction to my weak evidence seems like a thinly veiled AtE. Using so many bolds, italics, and caps can't help but make people feel like you are trying to use your supposed frustration to help your case. Also, just because RR doesn't know what a sex robot is, doesn't mean you weren't explicitly pointing out a role. I mentioned in my last post that mentioning any role outloud can be both a tell for that role and a scumtell (rolefishing). Given that you were in fact pointing out an indy role, I view it as a weak scumtell towards either indy or mafia.

As far as Gheb goes... Not really sure what to think at the moment. I'd need to do a reread. At the start of the game it felt like the standard attempt of baselessly pressuring someone (DH) and then waiting to see if they incriminate themselves. Since then I've been more focused on the RR/Nabe interaction.

 

[Jdietz43]

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

[1] Red Ryu - Nabe
[1] Nabe - Red Ryu
[2] Xatres - Potassium, Dark Horse
[1] Dark Horse - Gheb
[0] Gheb -
[1] Potassium - Xatres
[0] Vinyl

[1] Not Voting - Vinyl

Deadline is Midnight, Thursday the 13th!

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Saying that it's weak doesn't really excuse you.

 

[Xatres]

What's there to excuse?

There's a big difference between being wrong and pointing out circumstantial evidence. The things I pointed out ARE scumtells. Not big enough ones to condemn someone in a large game, but they certainly shouldn't be ignored, especially in a mini.

 

[Kantrip]

I can't see nabe as scum yet. Must be because he's igniting a discussion until he sees a spark.

I can't see him being serious on voting ryu.

What if he is? Is he scum if his vote on Ruy is serious?

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not really getting anything firm on Dark Horse, can you explain this a bit in depth on what he is doing that is scummy at the time you voted him?

Was your pressure towards Nabe just early game aggression for reactions? Who do you want to lynch?

 

[Kantrip]

Ryu's not asking whether I'm mafia. He voted for me, then said, "so you're claiming mafia then?!" by way of being a ****bag.



Yeah, an off-the-cuff confirmation where I make a callout to the OP flavour post that you haven't even read definitely warrants an immediate accusation of my being scum from your first post, then you continuing to be snarky for no reason.

Do you think Ruy's push on your slot is serious? Does he himself believe the accusations he is setting before you?

 

[Kantrip]

I'm pretty sure what he was actually pointing out is that you complained about not rolling indy. This can be seen as a scumtell, in the same way a person bringing up the doctor can be a scumtell/doctell. The first person to directly mention said roll often reflects on them possibly having that roll. It's a general rule, not absolutely proof, but can be a decent reason to pressure.

Basically... your post was a minor scumtell, RR pressures, interaction ensues.

So what's your read on both of them?

You wanted to try less armchair and more immersing yourself. This is a good opportunity.

 

[Kantrip]

For my part, I'm leaning towards Nabe as scum and RR as town.

Other possible scummy Nabe actions.

1. Unvoting and revoting RR during their interaction

2. Trying to deflect RR's attention to Vinyl as soon as voted RR

3. This post, which shows you tip-toeing around directly referencing a scum role. A basic, weak linguistic tell. Basically people tend to be more wordy when a subject makes them uncomfortable.

Oh hey you gave it like two posts later!

Thank you for this. Keep it up.

 

[Kantrip]

I think @ #HBC | Dark Horse is suspicious because he finds Nabe scummier than anybody else but chooses to not vote him. This is where a townie would put on the pressure, rather than remaining passive. He also tries to downplay the fact that I try to get him lynched as joke, which makes him appear all the more unconstructive.

Can't say I really dig Xatres' last post though. Would prolly lynch him if people keep on cockblocking a DH wagon.

What exactly was wrong with Xatres's post?

Now that Dark Horse has voted Nabe, does that further prove your point or shut it down? Why would a scum Dark Horse not vote his scumread?

 

[Kantrip]

Stupid crashboards

As for why I wasn't voting nabe earlier:

1) I wanted to see xatres post, after he promised to.

2) I wanted to see nabe post again to see if anything would change.

Considering that Xatres posted, and Nabe vs RR wasn't going anywhere, I voted.

What do you think of Gheb's push against you, now that you know it's not a joke?

 

[Kantrip]

Can I ask why?

You sure can, and I'm glad you did. I'll get to it in a bit.

 

[Kantrip]

unvote

@ Xatres
What do you think of gheb and why?

@ Vinylic.
The reason why I didn't respond to your 3812 was because I understood that you were saying that you liked how nabe was trying to take matters into his own hands, instead of just cruising early game like he could have. I agree with that. I still think that some of his other actions have been more dammning.

And I'm curious where you're getting the "informative" part of xatres' posts. If they're misleading, wouldn't that make him the opposite of informative?

And I am trying to cook up something.

Meth.

Why the unvote?

Saying that it's weak doesn't really excuse you.

Excuse him from what?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Was your pressure towards Nabe just early game aggression for reactions? Who do you want to lynch?

Yes and no.

I dislike Dark Horse on how he handled Nabe.

I want Nabe, if not Dark Horse.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@ #HBC | Nabe - Your reaction to my weak evidence seems like a thinly veiled AtE. Using so many bolds, italics, and caps can't help but make people feel like you are trying to use your supposed frustration to help your case. Also, just because RR doesn't know what a sex robot is, doesn't mean you weren't explicitly pointing out a role. I mentioned in my last post that mentioning any role outloud can be both a tell for that role and a scumtell (rolefishing). Given that you were in fact pointing out an indy role, I view it as a weak scumtell towards either indy or mafia.

There are very few ways to show universal emphasis in text, but that becomes necessary when one's not being understood. The point at hand though is that what you thought about my play is wrong. If I'm emotional about it and you see that as a gut-tell, that shouldn't matter against factual evidence to the contrary of your POV.

Do you think Ruy's push on your slot is serious? Does he himself believe the accusations he is setting before you?

I think asking if it's serious takes away from the real possibility that he's just scummy. Maybe my tolerance for BS today is just a little low, but he's trying to hold me to something in his head I've never agreed to, and I think he'd have dropped it by now if there weren't meaning in following it through.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I liked his post because it is a tell I look for.

... But not one you've seen in me this game.

I don't like how you confirmed into the game.

Let's not make me quote every post at you of anyone else in every game who has ever confirmed in a similar manner, ever. Let's really not do that, because you know and I know that you are not reading me as scum off of a single post whose reasoning I explained and you agreed with the sentiment of. (That being "I wish I were cult.")

 

[Kantrip]

Wow so Ruy you really think him saying "man I wish I was the sex robot cultist because I love sex and I love the cultist role" is scummy?

Like you're going to hold onto that?

You can't tell me when I ask that "yes and no" your pressure towards Nabe was faked for reactions and then continue to maintain that you don't like his first post in the game.

 

[Kantrip]

Gheb's DH push is reachy
Gheb/DH disliking Xatres is opportunistic
Vinyl trying to play is cool.
Xatres trying to branch out from playing armchair critic is also cool.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What exactly was wrong with Xatres's post?

I think it's reaching quite a bit. Maybe scummy but at the very least wrong imo. Nabe isn't a player to make that mistake.

Now that Dark Horse has voted Nabe, does that further prove your point or shut it down? Why would a scum Dark Horse not vote his scumread?

1.) Neither
2.) There's a number of reasons for that. Don't see why I should point them out though.

Gheb's DH push is reachy

1.) No, it's not.
2.) Bring something better to the table.

Gheb/DH disliking Xatres is opportunistic

Somewhat opportunistic from DH, not opportunistic from me.

Xatres trying to branch out from playing armchair critic is also cool.

No, it's not.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Dark Horse
Potassium / Xatres

My lynchpool for toDay. It may be subject to change regarding the order but these are the three slots I'd lynch.

 

[Vinylic.]

I see your reasons on 2 of those lynchpools, but what about potassium? All questions and no action, perhaps?

 

[Vinylic.]

What if he is? Is he scum if his vote on Ruy is serious?

There's no confirmation, only assumption. If nabe is scum, then playing like that just says that he needs to get his groove back. I don't exactly know how he plays, but I'm assuming he can do better after all those other games. The thing is, do people think the same way about it? I'm not saying he's gut-town, but I'm just assuming that his suspicion on ryu's a start, not a target.

Blah.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I like vinyl

Gheb

How was gheb opportunistic? He was the first person to suspect xatres and hasn't voted him or anything like that.

Excuse him from what?

From reaching. Yes, smaller things will matter more in this game. That doesn't excuse the fact that many of Xatres' points are either plain wrong (The voting-> unvoting) or incredibly reachy (even in the context of this game). I thought that my reasons for suspecting nabe were reachy (Odd time to vote, then tried to justify it with some PCTKB stuff once his original reason fell apart), yet they're miles better than what xatres has been saying.

 

[Xatres]

So, in the interest of playing more open this game, I'm going to post a read list, which I normally abhor.

Town-lean
Potassium: Active, interested in generating content, and nothing really reading "false" as I've seen happen in his scum games.
Gheb - Seems more active than I've seen from his scum games, and more bold in making real plays. As scum and indy, I've seen Gheb play with more interest in objecting to poor town actions (gaining town cred) and generally spreading suspicion in all directions until a solid mislynch option presents itself.

Null
Vinyl - Like some of what you say, dislike others. My gut says you'll likely the kind of town player I would just disagree with in game, but you'll stay null for now since I really can't say for sure.

Indy
DH: His play has resembled what I have seen from indy in the few games I've played. He stated off avoiding direct interactions, playing things off as jokes, and generally trying to fly under the radar. Under legitimate pressure, he's quickly buckled and down whatever seems most likely to get people off his back. This includes voting Nabe when pressued by Gheb, and then finally starting asking questions when Vinyl pressured him about laying low. His play seems more interested in personal survival than anything else.

Scum
Nabe: For reasons already explored.

 

[Xatres]

I suppose I should remove my RVS vote to match my current reads.

Unvote

Down for either a Nabe or DH lynch, depending on which way people want to go.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Scum
Nabe: For reasons already explored.

You should probably explore them again.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I'll get to what you're saying later but I love how you only start bringing that stuff up when I start voting you, despite the fact that most of it was already present.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I see your reasons on 2 of those lynchpools, but what about potassium? All questions and no action, perhaps?

Yeah and I think the accusary tone of his posts and his general outlook on the game would justify his lynch.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Xatres can definitely die. I will not let him get away with his "read" on Nabe and the fact that he feels the need to differentiate between the "scum" read on Nabe and the "Indy" read on DH is telling. A townie wouldn't care.

Unvote

 

[Xatres]

Why shouldn't a townie care?

Indy players and mafia players play very different games, which means they have different tells.

And DH, as for you saying I'm "only bringing this up since you voted for me," if you look at my earlier posts, you'll see that I hadn't taken a hard look at you or Gheb previously, because my attention was focused on RR/Nabe.

 

[Jdietz43]

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

[1] Red Ryu - Nabe
[1] Nabe - Red Ryu
[2] Xatres - Potassium, Dark Horse
[0] Dark Horse -
[0] Gheb -
[0] Potassium -
[0] Vinyl

[3] Not Voting - Vinyl, Gheb, Xatres

Deadline is Midnight, Thursday the 13th!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why is Xatres a priority over DH Gheb?

 

[Kantrip]

I like vinyl



How was gheb opportunistic? He was the first person to suspect xatres and hasn't voted him or anything like that.



From reaching. Yes, smaller things will matter more in this game. That doesn't excuse the fact that many of Xatres' points are either plain wrong (The voting-> unvoting) or incredibly reachy (even in the context of this game). I thought that my reasons for suspecting nabe were reachy (Odd time to vote, then tried to justify it with some PCTKB stuff once his original reason fell apart), yet they're miles better than what xatres has been saying.

Gheb was opportunistic because he jumped on scumreading something convenient that came up preemptively. I personally believe the albeit reachy Xatres post was not actually scummy in any way and it's opportunistic for anyone to call it scummy for reaching when Xatres clearly admitted it was reachy. There's no scum intent to saying reachy stuff if you admit it's reachy and don't try to stretch it to be more than it is.

You can be the first to say something and still be opportunistic. You don't have to vote to be opportunistic.

You think Gheb is town right?