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Such Mafia
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Rake you better not be ****ing with me, man.
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Vote: Gheb
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Votecount 1.2
Gheb_01 (3) : Red Ryu, Such mafia, Ranmarru
NOT VOTING:
GHEB_01, XATRES
A LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED
As the townies gathered for the annual pie eating contest, they noticed gheb had some blood on his hands, literally. The townies wasted no time and soundly beat him about till he died. Gheb_01, Nameless Mafia Goon, had been lynched. They rejoiced as they returned to their homes for the night with his corpse still steaming in the town dump.
Night 1 begins now and ends Wednesday at 12 midnight. If actions are received sooner, the next Day will begin sooner.
Gheb_01 (3) : Red Ryu, Such mafia, Ranmarru
NOT VOTING:
GHEB_01, XATRES
A LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED
As the townies gathered for the annual pie eating contest, they noticed gheb had some blood on his hands, literally. The townies wasted no time and soundly beat him about till he died. Gheb_01, Nameless Mafia Goon, had been lynched. They rejoiced as they returned to their homes for the night with his corpse still steaming in the town dump.
Night 1 begins now and ends Wednesday at 12 midnight. If actions are received sooner, the next Day will begin sooner.
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As the townies awoke, they got a great surprise, Such Mafia Town Day Cop, had his throat slit at night. They gathered nervously in the town hall. And the day begun with accusations thrown like baseballs.
Votecount 1.3:
Voting:
No one
Alive:
@
Xatres
, @
ranmaru
, @
#HBC | Red Ryu
With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch
Deadline is Saturday at Midnight
Votecount 1.3:
Voting:
No one
Alive:
@
Xatres
, @
ranmaru
, @
#HBC | Red Ryu
With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch
Deadline is Saturday at Midnight
#HBC | Red Ryu
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Vote: Xatres
doing homework more later.
doing homework more later.
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I'm not sure where you landed, Ran, but if you are thinking I'm scum, I'd ask you to take your time and carefully consider before placing your vote. RR and I have no choice but to go after each other, so it's all on you.
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I was going to say "You are not even voting Ryu" but you just posted that two minutes ago. 
I'm still mulling it over, yes. I'd simply like for you both to concisely summarize your attacks on each other. I don't know what else you guys can say (since it's one of you faking towards the other).
I'm still mulling it over, yes. I'd simply like for you both to concisely summarize your attacks on each other. I don't know what else you guys can say (since it's one of you faking towards the other).
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Xatres has been trying to paint me as scum the moment he posted, he has beenn picking apart almost every action and post I made and trying to spin it as me being scum. There is a reason I did what I did, I've made my stances and motives clear before you were copped. I asked for a CC because Gheb easily could have been lying in that situation, he says I was trying to bait a CC and help Gheb out. But again, why should I trust the first person who claims cop? I've learned more than enough times on EM that reading how people claim is how you figure it out, not order.
He tried to spin my comments about asking people to unvote as being scummy when I made it clear he was spinning this to sound like I had read when I didn't at the time see the game started. It's clear how the order of these events happened, I asked for an unvote after the fact, and the other comments were for about how I was on early.
Xatres is trying to paint a portrait rather than look for something legitimately scummy, he's picking apart anything he can without trying too make a clear cut reason why I am scum, instead taking anything I did and make it look bad.
Such Mafia agrees here.
He tried to spin my comments about asking people to unvote as being scummy when I made it clear he was spinning this to sound like I had read when I didn't at the time see the game started. It's clear how the order of these events happened, I asked for an unvote after the fact, and the other comments were for about how I was on early.
Xatres is trying to paint a portrait rather than look for something legitimately scummy, he's picking apart anything he can without trying too make a clear cut reason why I am scum, instead taking anything I did and make it look bad.
Such Mafia agrees here.
In the middle of some much needed work hours now. Summary coming this afternoon.
Okay, mission accomplished. Now on to mafia.
Here are things from my perspective:
Sunday afternoon I was online around midday before the game officially started and then again late in the evening. During this 8-10 hours I was offline, everything with Gheb and Such Mafia happened, condemning Gheb and clearing everyone but RR and myself. So from the very moment I was caught up and able to post, the game was completely solved for me. I didn't have to do any work. Gheb and RR were confirmed scum.
At that point, in order to even play the game, I pretty much had one choice: Make a case against RR and get him lynched D2 instead of me.
RR is accusing me of painting everything he has in a scummy light, and he's right. I'm doing exactly that. I can't be expected to do anything else. I have 100% assurance that he is scum. Maybe some of of my reasoning is stretchier than would be ideal, but my opinions have literally been biased from the start. There's no getting around that fact. I'll cop to it, because it's true. But my bias doesn't make me wrong.
Now, as for my specific case against RR, a lot of individual points have already been expressed in earlier posts. The crux of my case rests on two things:
1) RR's play has perfectly aligned with Gheb's. This is a speculative case that examines motivations. You can reject it if you want, but I've found these to be very helpful in the past. The scumteam went into this game with a very specific plan. Gheb would claim DayCop and wait for the CC. He'd give an all clear to a random townie, and then wait to see what happened. If his confirmed townie CC'd him, his scummate could easily bus and make sure the DayVig died in the night. If any other townie CC'd, they would only need to convince one other townie to vote that player for a victory. This a VERY solid plan for scum in this setup. They are guaranteed two rounds, while the townies only get one mislynch.
Given how things turned out, RR's play fits perfectly with this plan. MY play, however, does not. If Gheb was going to run this gambit, he would need his scummate at his side from the get-go. You see how Gheb came right out the gate with his claim, and RR came right out the gate asking for a CC. So far, the gambit has gone exactly as planned. Scum was able to nightkill the DayCop, bus Gheb, and cast suspicion on the last townie (me).
Now consider this scenario if I had been Gheb's scummate. I was completely absent for the entire 12-sum hours during which Gheb ran his gambit. I wasn't around for the claim, counter claim, or debate that followed. Do you think Gheb would have run this gambit if he knew his partner would be absent the first 12 hours of the game? I replaced out of my last mafia game and was largely inactive during the last mini. Do you think I would have approved of a plan that required consistency? Do you think Gheb, who saw how my play has been the past few games, would have gambled on my activity being intense enough for such a gambit? Do you think either of us would have chosen "me showing up after the fact" as the ideal scenario?
Yes, you can call WIFOM on this is you want, but these are legitimate observations. It goes to intelligence, motivation, and planning.
2) RR's case against me failed to take into account the unique situation we've found ourselves in. He's saying I'm scummy for reaching, for showing bias towards every action he's taken this game. He's failing to point out that given the way the game has gone, I have no choice BUT to show bias towards his actions. I entered the game with everything solved already. I know he's scum, which means everything that seems scummy to me I know is 100% accurate. I can't help being biased when I know I'm right.
As I pointed out earlier, proving you're town means showing honestly as often as possible. This is why I choose to play my cards close to my chest in most games I play. I'm not willing to lie as town or to put my name on an opinion that I'm not sure of. I want every word I say to be completely honest, even if it weakens my case against someone. I'm willing to admit my bias, because bias in unavoidable. RR has not only refused to acknowledge that bias is inevitable on my part, but he's actively trying to use that unavoidable bias to paint me in a scummy light.
Here are things from my perspective:
Sunday afternoon I was online around midday before the game officially started and then again late in the evening. During this 8-10 hours I was offline, everything with Gheb and Such Mafia happened, condemning Gheb and clearing everyone but RR and myself. So from the very moment I was caught up and able to post, the game was completely solved for me. I didn't have to do any work. Gheb and RR were confirmed scum.
At that point, in order to even play the game, I pretty much had one choice: Make a case against RR and get him lynched D2 instead of me.
RR is accusing me of painting everything he has in a scummy light, and he's right. I'm doing exactly that. I can't be expected to do anything else. I have 100% assurance that he is scum. Maybe some of of my reasoning is stretchier than would be ideal, but my opinions have literally been biased from the start. There's no getting around that fact. I'll cop to it, because it's true. But my bias doesn't make me wrong.
Now, as for my specific case against RR, a lot of individual points have already been expressed in earlier posts. The crux of my case rests on two things:
1) RR's play has perfectly aligned with Gheb's. This is a speculative case that examines motivations. You can reject it if you want, but I've found these to be very helpful in the past. The scumteam went into this game with a very specific plan. Gheb would claim DayCop and wait for the CC. He'd give an all clear to a random townie, and then wait to see what happened. If his confirmed townie CC'd him, his scummate could easily bus and make sure the DayVig died in the night. If any other townie CC'd, they would only need to convince one other townie to vote that player for a victory. This a VERY solid plan for scum in this setup. They are guaranteed two rounds, while the townies only get one mislynch.
Given how things turned out, RR's play fits perfectly with this plan. MY play, however, does not. If Gheb was going to run this gambit, he would need his scummate at his side from the get-go. You see how Gheb came right out the gate with his claim, and RR came right out the gate asking for a CC. So far, the gambit has gone exactly as planned. Scum was able to nightkill the DayCop, bus Gheb, and cast suspicion on the last townie (me).
Now consider this scenario if I had been Gheb's scummate. I was completely absent for the entire 12-sum hours during which Gheb ran his gambit. I wasn't around for the claim, counter claim, or debate that followed. Do you think Gheb would have run this gambit if he knew his partner would be absent the first 12 hours of the game? I replaced out of my last mafia game and was largely inactive during the last mini. Do you think I would have approved of a plan that required consistency? Do you think Gheb, who saw how my play has been the past few games, would have gambled on my activity being intense enough for such a gambit? Do you think either of us would have chosen "me showing up after the fact" as the ideal scenario?
Yes, you can call WIFOM on this is you want, but these are legitimate observations. It goes to intelligence, motivation, and planning.
2) RR's case against me failed to take into account the unique situation we've found ourselves in. He's saying I'm scummy for reaching, for showing bias towards every action he's taken this game. He's failing to point out that given the way the game has gone, I have no choice BUT to show bias towards his actions. I entered the game with everything solved already. I know he's scum, which means everything that seems scummy to me I know is 100% accurate. I can't help being biased when I know I'm right.
As I pointed out earlier, proving you're town means showing honestly as often as possible. This is why I choose to play my cards close to my chest in most games I play. I'm not willing to lie as town or to put my name on an opinion that I'm not sure of. I want every word I say to be completely honest, even if it weakens my case against someone. I'm willing to admit my bias, because bias in unavoidable. RR has not only refused to acknowledge that bias is inevitable on my part, but he's actively trying to use that unavoidable bias to paint me in a scummy light.
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Nice AtE, RR. The truth is we're BOTH trying to paint a picture. That's how forming an argument works. The difference is that my picture happens to actually represent reality.
@Ran: Just take a look at both our play for the past two Days, think about scum's strategy this game, and make the decision that you're most comfortable with. I don't particularly want another loss on my record, but I've done all I can do to convince you at this point. Ball's in your court.
Not sure how much I'll be online tonight, so I'll go ahead and place my vote now. I didn't want there to be a sense of urgency up to this point.
Vote: Red Ryu
@Ran: Just take a look at both our play for the past two Days, think about scum's strategy this game, and make the decision that you're most comfortable with. I don't particularly want another loss on my record, but I've done all I can do to convince you at this point. Ball's in your court.
Not sure how much I'll be online tonight, so I'll go ahead and place my vote now. I didn't want there to be a sense of urgency up to this point.
Vote: Red Ryu
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And deadline reached.
Who was scum?
Who was scum?
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I was actually thinking Ruy was scum, but I'm still gonna whip out the popcorn and wait for the result.
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I was scum.
I win with or without that vote.
I win with or without that vote.
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Told Gheb to guilty but he claimed the Inno too early before he saw my message.
Such Mafia should have waited to cop because me vs Xatres was too null at points since we just tunneled each other of actions rather than play.
Xatres was pretty legit case wise except the claim part. Me asking for a CC is null.
Such Mafia should have waited to cop because me vs Xatres was too null at points since we just tunneled each other of actions rather than play.
Xatres was pretty legit case wise except the claim part. Me asking for a CC is null.
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Blah blah flavor blah blah. The last renaming townie fought among themselves, one came to a snap decision and in the action, Xatres, Vanilla Townie was killed, Red Ryu, Mafia goon, quickly rose and shot the remaining townie.
Welp, so the cookie crumbles. Sorry Xatres you reached way too hard on intent for me not to see it badly.
Thanks @ Gheb and Ryu for not instantly hammering the unthinking RVS votes so we could at least have a game to play.
Thanks @ Gheb and Ryu for not instantly hammering the unthinking RVS votes so we could at least have a game to play.
Sorry, I couldn't convince him the merits of using a QT so it's all in a on-hydra PM convo.
EDIT: looking back there's not much there though. Pretty much everything you saw was what he thought minus a thought from him to pretend to agree with Xatres for reads despite suspecting him which I told him wouldn't give him great results, and me coaxing him to elaborate on his feelings on Ryu and Xatres while eventually telling him I suspected Xatres of being slightly more likely scum, he said back he agreed Xatres was stretching it with the CC thing, and that was about it for the hydra convo. He didn't ask me about most of the game wrt cop actions etc, so most of what was in thread was there when I got here as well including that decision.
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#HBC | Gorf
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Idk guys Red Ruy was pretty obv imo.
I never claimed to be any good at this lol , only to be down to help.
I did get a vastly improved version of my avatar of choice out of it though :D
Honestly I think the factor that swayed me the most between the nulls was the fact that the game wasn't already over before I even got to thread. I know alphas aren't the easiest thing in the world, but there was a period there where Ryu and Gheb were online while Ran's vote was on Xatres. In my mind that meant it was more likely that Gheb's partner was Xatres since he clamored for an unvote on someone they could have hammered if it was Ryu. I was wrong about that.
, only to be down to help.I did get a vastly improved version of my avatar of choice out of it though :D
Honestly I think the factor that swayed me the most between the nulls was the fact that the game wasn't already over before I even got to thread. I know alphas aren't the easiest thing in the world, but there was a period there where Ryu and Gheb were online while Ran's vote was on Xatres. In my mind that meant it was more likely that Gheb's partner was Xatres since he clamored for an unvote on someone they could have hammered if it was Ryu. I was wrong about that.
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I guess I can just quote what I and Dietz discussed about, but I'm pretty concerned how this game went.
At first, I was looking at xatres trying to find every possible way of finding how ryu's scum.
Ryu defense was weak, plus I felt like he was laying low and trying to get along with us.
I had to go with xatres since Me and Dietz felt the same way about him, so ****.
Also, my bad. Ran's questions were kind of frustrating to answer. I was like 5 years old and didn't understand.
Plus, you're welcome, J.
At first, I was looking at xatres trying to find every possible way of finding how ryu's scum.
Ryu defense was weak, plus I felt like he was laying low and trying to get along with us.
I had to go with xatres since Me and Dietz felt the same way about him, so ****.
Also, my bad. Ran's questions were kind of frustrating to answer. I was like 5 years old and didn't understand.
Plus, you're welcome, J.
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Then you must grow up, son.
Also I'll hydra with you in a mini. (Only because I can't commit to a bigger game than that now)
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