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[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

But im going to steal the credit and say i did it at the exact moment gheb was thinking it in a parallel universe. This guy

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah you did later, but it was easier to point it out then and there since from the way Gheb worded his post he sounded unsure Mafia Governor was confirmed possible

 

[Xivii]

and that ladies and gentlemen, is how you say GG

Nb4 I'm lynchee

 

[Xivii]

Also no wait please don't lynch me nooo

*Aubrey plaza voice*

 

[The Real Gamer]

Lol no. Flips dont happen till the end of twilight. Nothing would get shown before nightfall.

Not to mention it was mad scummy to even entertain the idea of slef hammering btw. Even if gorf was legit you still shouldn't be down to self vote as town ever imo

For some reason I legitimately thought my role would be flipped upon my lynch before Zen/Gorf could veto it, and clear my role as Town Doc to everyone. It's why I was so eager to do it in the first place. My mistake on that for not understanding the rules I guess.

All of the sudden I'm extremely suspicious of why Gorf pushed me to self hammer in the first place if it wouldn't even clear me.

Rake you pushed me to do it as well though I'm not surprised since it lines up with the rest of your game (being opportunistic as hell to get me gone).

Gonna let this marinate for the night.

 

[The Real Gamer]

In case anyone's curious this is how I assumed it would play out

1) I self vote to complete the lynch
2) Governor is given "x" amount of time to decide if he wants to veto the lynch or not
3) After the decision is made my role is flipped and revealed to everyone
4) Mod announces that the lynch was vetoed by Governor + if anyone was Night Killed or not
5) New Day Phase begins

Apparently step #3 is where I had things mixed up.

 

[Xivii]

We wanted you to hammer because someone was going on about proving our gov claim. It wasn't for your self, it was for us. If you thought your flip would show I have no idea on why you even hesitated.

 

[Xivii]

Why did you ask for us to approve being lynched if not vetoing you if you thought your role would be shown? Clearly if we didn't veto you after you being shown as town, we would obviously be lynched the next day.

 

[Xivii]

Oh nvm your post before makes sense.

 

[Xivii]

But your 2644 contradicts your 45

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I like Dietz' recent input.

Still haven't heard one good argument why TRG lynch is supposedly better than Rake lynch though. Doc being able to target himself is not poor modding. It's not unusual for a doc to be able to self-protect and I still haven't heard why he's supposedly scum based on his *play*. I will admit though, I can see the merit in lynching Zen toDay now and would be willing to drop hammer. I like Dietz' explanation on why he should be lynched and the fact that him and Orbo are my two strongest town reads and in support of the lynch. I can get behind that because the arguments have been solid. But they haven't been in TRG's case - therefore I'm sticking to Rake > TRG.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think I'll get to post a lot more today though and deadline's still far away so I take it there's no rush to actually hammer.

 

[Xivii]

Gorf you ok if u drop hammer?

 

[Xivii]

If I*
But u is fine too

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

For some reason I legitimately thought my role would be flipped upon my lynch before Zen/Gorf could veto it, and clear my role as Town Doc to everyone. It's why I was so eager to do it in the first place. My mistake on that for not understanding the rules I guess.

All of the sudden I'm extremely suspicious of why Gorf pushed me to self hammer in the first place if it wouldn't even clear me.

Rake you pushed me to do it as well though I'm not surprised since it lines up with the rest of your game (being opportunistic as hell to get me gone).

Gonna let this marinate for the night.

that was to see if you would. Although you explanation of why you got confuzzled is kinda meh to me, ironically zen worded ikt nicely saying that if u legit thought that way you shoulda been all over that self hammer like white on rice. Im forgivin the fact that being you've played mafia you should know how flips work because there is a gov though. See what a nice guy i am

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also TRG, lets assume i misread you somehow. If/when zen flips mafia, it doesn't matter, because town has won.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, with scum dead, we don't have to fear losing townies to the night phase, meaning it'll always be the same people playing. Town can just NL ,we don't have to lynch the lyncher, because he can't win if wee aren't lynching. That is ipso facto end game for the lyncher

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And finally, let me add a little wifom to the equation: Why would town Zen, choose to, as the town gov and possible lynchee, opt to self hammer ? I think if Zen was legit town he'd fight this tooth and nail and instead he's laying down and letting it happen. Gotta wonder why he'd do that as town.

 

[Xivii]

See: Any game I've ever been frustrated in. Only one I can think of is Ryker mafia though.

Now you gotta wonder, why would mafia Zen, with no mafia buddies, opt to self hammer? I think if Zen was legit mafia he'd fight his tooth and nail instead of laying down and letting it happen. Gotta wonder why he'd do that as solo mafia.

 

[Xivii]

zen i may have town read you btw but that by no means i dont have my eyes on you. Cmon man

But that has nothing to do with Orbo's point. He was saying that I was only pushing you because you were pushing me, but you weren't.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Gorf

 

[Xivii]

Oh a second opinion from someone in the same slot as the first person to give that opinion, I'm sure thatholds weight.

Theory: if Mafia Gov blocks every lynch attempted under the pretense that it's "not who they want" they get free shots.

Second theory: If Mafia Gov blocks all wagons on those that town deems scummy (and if town is to be crowdsource trusted: have best potential to be lyncher) a stubborn Gov can drag out the hunt for the lyncher until nearly the end of the game.

Confirm/Deny?


(This post brought to you by Dietz's innate desire to see a Gorf/Zen slot suffer)

But gorf had the opinion as he was reading the game. Which is shown by how he wanted to replace into my slot in particular.

Theory 1: Why the heck would gov want to block shots, that would make the game go longer, and thus more chance for him to be lynched.
Theory 2: Uh I think maf would want lyncher gone just as much as town does.

 

[Xivii]

No sane mafia would shoot a town gov intent on stopping lynches this hard as long as they weren't the one on that person's acceptable lynch list, and you've already made it more than clear your opinion is Rake = Lyncher and Rake is the only acceptable lynch, so why would mafia shoot you.

You want doc to be on you so you have free range to find the lyncher/lynchee, which you think is Rake/TRG and are more than confident you can shoot one of if town doesn't bend to your Rake lynch proposition yes?

Nah. Look at it form my view of Orbo maf and Rake Lyncher. I'm not letting any lynch other than Rake (and my self) go through. Upon a Rake lynch who would be next? Orbo. So his best option would be to night kill me so that he isn't the only one (other than myself) that could be lynched during the day. Now say he were to kill TRG during the night (assuming we had no lynched/vetoed), that would completely discredit the 3 musketeer alliance and put power into my hands.

 

[Orboknown]

Well that was an unexpected vote to wake up to.

 

[Xatres]

For the sake of clarity, I'll just ask:

@Zen: Was that intended to be a self-vote? (This is why I should have just forced you guys to use a hydra account)

 

[Xivii]

Well that was an unexpected vote to wake up to.

Rake scum?

 

[Orboknown]

I need to take another look at him if you flip town.

 

[Xatres]

Quick mod ruling: All votes for the Zen/Gorf slot need to reference both players in order to count. Votes should read: "Vote: Zen/Gorf" or "Vote: Zorf" ect. The votecount current stands as follows...

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Votecount:

[3] Anomandaris_Rake | Voted by: TRG, Gheb, Zorf
[3] Zorf | Voted by: Orbo, Jdietz, Rake

[0] Gheb_01
[0] Jdietz43
[0] Orboknown

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With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline: The last minute of Thursday, December 26th

 

[Xivii]

Still self hammer, Orb?

 

[Orboknown]

Gheb will if you won't. I don't particularly care hoe it happens so long as it does

 

[Xivii]

Haha scumbag

 

[Orboknown]

Says the guy about to die about the dude the vast majority of the game is townreading.

 

[Xivii]

Reminds me of pretty much every mafia game I've ever been in.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Btw to weigh in I don't want to hammer.

Dietz town. Lynch pool of choice is orbo > Gheb > Dietz after toDay.

@haters game = 4 vt 1 maf gov 1 lyncher doc mod win

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I need to take another look at him if you flip town.

Stop being so damn thick. Rake is scum regardless of whether Zen flips town gov or mafia gov. Zen's flip has no bearing on Rake's alignment because Zen would pursue Rake lynch in either position.

 

[Orboknown]

On zen town id have to look for a second scumpick as opposed to just rolling with my trg indy pick

 

[Orboknown]

Also Rake we can't NL to endgame lyncher because town needs to lynch lyncher to win

 

[~ Gheb ~]

On zen town id have to look for a second scumpick as opposed to just rolling with my trg indy pick

Legit

 

[The Real Gamer]

We wanted you to hammer because someone was going on about proving our gov claim. It wasn't for your self, it was for us. If you thought your flip would show I have no idea on why you even hesitated.

I thought we already established that you were actually Gov though? Plus how exactly would that have helped us considering you could still be Mafia?

But your 2644 contradicts your 45

How so?

I like Dietz' recent input.

Still haven't heard one good argument why TRG lynch is supposedly better than Rake lynch though. Doc being able to target himself is not poor modding. It's not unusual for a doc to be able to self-protect and I still haven't heard why he's supposedly scum based on his *play*. I will admit though, I can see the merit in lynching Zen toDay now and would be willing to drop hammer. I like Dietz' explanation on why he should be lynched and the fact that him and Orbo are my two strongest town reads and in support of the lynch. I can get behind that because the arguments have been solid. But they haven't been in TRG's case - therefore I'm sticking to Rake > TRG.

Agreed. Dietz is town.

Also TRG, lets assume i misread you somehow. If/when zen flips mafia, it doesn't matter, because town has won.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, with scum dead, we don't have to fear losing townies to the night phase, meaning it'll always be the same people playing. Town can just NL ,we don't have to lynch the lyncher, because he can't win if wee aren't lynching. That is ipso facto end game for the lyncher

Is it really that easy? Cause if that's the case it would be too easy for Town to win in this setup every time by forcing the Doc to claim and using PoE to figure out who the remaining Mafia is among the five.

Also Rake we can't NL to endgame lyncher because town needs to lynch lyncher to win

Welp nvm.

Btw to weigh in I don't want to hammer.

Dietz town. Lynch pool of choice is orbo > Gheb > Dietz after toDay.

@haters game = 4 vt 1 maf gov 1 lyncher doc mod win

What about Orbo's play has been scummy?

Why has Rake been dropped? I thought the general consensus was that either Rake or I are lyncher?

 

[The Real Gamer]

Town
TRG (Town Doc, Lynchee)
Orbo
Dietz

Null
Gheb

Null Scum
Zorf (Mafia)

Scum
Rake (Indy Lyncher)

Now that I understand how Gov works I don't like Zorf's reasoning behind wanting me to self hammer, cause even though he gets the chance to clear himself as Gov there's still one aspect not a lot of people are bringing up: we'd be giving Mafia a free opportunity to NK someone and it all depends on who I choose to protect (which would likely be myself since I consider myself to be threat #1 to Mafia). Why risk having a Townie NKed just to clear Zorf as Gov? And now he wants to self hammer? Something's not adding up here.

I've agreed with most of Dietz's reads (that don't concern me of course) since he's came back. Reasoning seems to be solid. Gives me fuzzy Townie vibes.

Orbo has been a town read since the beginning.

Gheb is still null with a slight town lean since we've been on the same page throughout this game so far.

Rake is still clearly lyncher based on how desperately he wants me gone IMO.

 

[Orboknown]

Rakes not getting lynched today. Lynch zord and roll from there. Also you are mistaking rakes natural overconfidence with a lynchers tunnel