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[Xatres]

rather than talking about forum policy, why do you think lynching inactives is a suitable option when there are no scum candidates? would you start an inactive wagon, given a suitably unimpressive day phase?

Hypothetically yes, but usually someone beats me to it.

Then vote Lunchables with me, he hasn't posted.

Seeing as we're barely a day into the game and haven't even broken the first page yet, I'd rather just get a replacement. No reason to blast an inactive slot this early.

 

[JeXs]

And what leads you to believe that was my purpose?

To look townie.

 

[Dabuz]

No JeX, that's your conclusion based off a preconceived notion i'm scum therefore my purpose must be scummy; what i'm looking for is a context that would initially make you believe I am scummy and therefore have scum intent in what i'm doing.

 

[JeXs]

I already said my points were weak. I actually barely even think you're scum.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

vote jex

your lack of desire to progress your reads is showing

 

[asianaussie]

Was your previous vote on me serious or just a RVS vote?

uh, yes? it was like, the third post of the game or something

what answer did you think i would give, and why would that help your tells?

Then vote Lunchables with me, he hasn't posted.

Unvote
Vote: Lunchables

Badwolf is also a viable alternative.

why do you think votes will cajole people in talking and being not-inactive, and why are you offering a choice of wagons?

Hypothetically yes, but usually someone beats me to it.

Seeing as we're barely a day into the game and haven't even broken the first page yet, I'd rather just get a replacement. No reason to blast an inactive slot this early.

also no reason to keep talking about inactives and replacements

what do you think of JeXs' incredibly straightforward pressure on bunzy? what do you think of post #22, and more specifically the fact that he 'liked' it?

 

[Dabuz]

Your formatting got screwed up.

I actually misinterpreted that post initially and wasn't sure of the answer you would give as a result, not misinterpreting it this time, the answer is obvious and it was a poor question. <.<;;

It's not so much about the vote as it is getting a player to make a stance on the wagon (the choice of wagons is for sake of consistency with 2 players who have yet to post), which forces a response, a response leads to content for everyone to interpret. For example, will you join the wagon on JeX? This is a serious question and your answer may or may not be scrutinized.

 

[asianaussie]

not really, i dont think there are any particularly off-seeming agendas behind his posts

right now im iffy on jumping any wagons at all, still too many unknowns

anyway, i feel that jexs' straightforwardness may just be a personal trait, exemplified by his pattern of liking posts, and i honestly think he's just trying to create discussion by his actions

however, i do think that him being adamant about keeping his unjustified vote on you is entirely unhelpful to his own alignment

jexs, you liked his post, what exactly do you like about it?

 

[JeXs]

I don't know actually, I just felt like I liked it.

 

[Xatres]

@ Xivii - Requesting prods for our inactives

 

[Xivii]

Day 1!

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!​

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Lynch Nominees

#HBC | Bunzy 2 {JeXs, Asianaussie}
Lunchables 1 {#HBC | Bunzy}
JeXs 1 {#HBC | Gorf}


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Other Cast Members

#HBC | Gorf
#HBC | BadWolf
Asianaussie
Xatres​

Deadline is August 9th, 24:00 GMT-5


@ #HBC | BadWolf & @Lunchables have been prodded.​

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Hey guys I'm here and I've read (mostly >_>).... Sorry for the inactive-ness I've been at a con for the past 2 days and before that was prep and work as much as possible XP

Here's my thoughts after a quick read.

The one that's scum. If none are scum, we lynch none.

I really don't like Jex at this point, he's being dense, whether on purpose or not idk but I don't like it at this point.

His honesty is the only thing going for him at this point imo.

vote: JeXs

 

[asianaussie]

vote: Xatres

do you ever post about things other than inactives?

what do you think of badwolf voting jexs despite describing a degree of 'honesty'? on that note, what do you think of jexs' sitting so firmly in his rut?

badwolf, do you think scum really has anything to gain from 'being dense'?

 

[Dabuz]

I co-sign every single question of Aussie's.

Vote: Xatres

Badwolf, are there any slots you like?

 

[Deleted member]

I haven't had access to smashboards for a few days because I wasn't home, sorry guys

 

[Xatres]

also no reason to keep talking about inactives and replacements

what do you think of JeXs' incredibly straightforward pressure on bunzy? what do you think of post #22, and more specifically the fact that he 'liked' it?

Completely missed this question due to poor formatting.

I don't see anything wrong with JeXs' play, to be honest. Minis inherently require players to make cases based on less evidence than standard games, which he's being completely honest about. Jumping on him for making the best case he can to progress the game isn't doing anything to help town. It just shows your own lack of understanding of how this game need to be played.

do you ever post about things other than inactives?

what do you think of badwolf voting jexs despite describing a degree of 'honesty'? on that note, what do you think of jexs' sitting so firmly in his rut?

badwolf, do you think scum really has anything to gain from 'being dense'?

Again, I feel Badwolf is way off in calling JeXs dense. I think JeXs is actually playing a pretty good game right now, for the reasons stated above.

And as far as me posting about inactives goes:

1) People were asking me questions about inactivity, and I was answering them. This sort of thing happens to me at the start of every game I play, where someone jumps on my back for "only talking about X" when all anyone is doing is asking me about X.

2) The game had stalled for over 12 hours when I asked for those prods. Would you care to make a case about how anti-town it was for me to get the missing players posting or replaced? I'd love to hear it.

 

[JeXs]

Is badwolf's post alignment telling to you?

 

[asianaussie]

Completely missed this question due to poor formatting.

I don't see anything wrong with JeXs' play, to be honest. Minis inherently require players to make cases based on less evidence than standard games, which he's being completely honest about. Jumping on him for making the best case he can to progress the game isn't doing anything to help town. It just shows your own lack of understanding of how this game need to be played.

i seem to have missed the part where he had a case at all, or the part where i am apparently jumping on him more than i should be

he threw an apparent RVS vote at bunzy, and he has stuck to it despite essentially contradicting himself (#42 and #44), which just seems unhelpful to town if he's town, and unhelpful to scum if he's scum - this is not good play, and is honestly confusing to me, but it definitely doesn't scream scum either

2) The game had stalled for over 12 hours when I asked for those prods. Would you care to make a case about how anti-town it was for me to get the missing players posting or replaced? I'd love to hear it.

pushing for more activity is neither pro- nor anti-town, it is the moderator's duty to do so, not yours, and i expect that you will at least follow up on the now-more-active players soon

 

[Xatres]

i seem to have missed the part where he had a case at all, or the part where i am apparently jumping on him more than i should be

he threw an apparent RVS vote at bunzy, and he has stuck to it despite essentially contradicting himself (#42 and #44), which just seems unhelpful to town if he's town, and unhelpful to scum if he's scum - this is not good play, and is honestly confusing to me, but it definitely doesn't scream scum either

I don't see any contradiction between #42 and #44. His initial post (first post of the game, IIRC) was an RVS vote on Bunzy. Then Bunzy begins posting and JeXs continues to push that vote, based on whatever middling evidence he can find in a mini game. He's honest that his case is weak (as it SHOULD be this early in the game). But a weak case =/= no case. Nor does a weak case =/= dishonest case. Every mafia game starts with weak cases, which help create interactions that lead to larger cases.

So yeah... JeXs is playing fine.

pushing for more activity is neither pro- nor anti-town, it is the moderator's duty to do so, not yours, and i expect that you will at least follow up on the now-more-active players soon

Inactivity is a problem which effects everyone in the game, in every game. It's a problem that spans the metagame as a whole. If individual towns don't take an active role in preventing/punishing inactivity, then we're going to keep on seeing inactive players ruin games.

So you're right that it isn't inherently pro or anti-town to go after inactives. But you're also wrong for criticizing me for addressing an issue that can have seriously repercussions on current and future games.

 

[Xatres]

Is badwolf's post alignment telling to you?

Post alignment?

 

[JeXs]

Post alignment?

Does his post give you any idea on his alignment? Bad wording on my part probably

 

[Xivii]

@ #HBC | Gorf has been prodded.

 

[Xivii]

Day 1!

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!​

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Lynch Nominees

JeXs 2 {#HBC | Gorf, #HBC | Badwolf}
Xatres 2 {Asianaussie, #HBC | Bunzy}
#HBC | Bunzy 1 {JeXs}


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Other Cast Members

Lunchables
#HBC | Gorf
#HBC | BadWolf
Asianaussie​

Deadline is August 9th, 24:00 GMT-5
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[asianaussie]

I don't see any contradiction between #42 and #44. His initial post (first post of the game, IIRC) was an RVS vote on Bunzy. Then Bunzy begins posting and JeXs continues to push that vote, based on whatever middling evidence he can find in a mini game. He's honest that his case is weak (as it SHOULD be this early in the game). But a weak case =/= no case. Nor does a weak case =/= dishonest case. Every mafia game starts with weak cases, which help create interactions that lead to larger cases.

So yeah... JeXs is playing fine.

we might only have two pages worth of stuff, i just realised i havent actually seen you take a stance on anything aside from policy, and every post you make about somebody is generally defending their play as perfectly fine

do you still think what you're doing is 'right'?

i hope that you respond to jexs' question about badwolf's post soon

So you're right that it isn't inherently pro or anti-town to go after inactives. But you're also wrong for criticizing me for addressing an issue that can have seriously repercussions on current and future games.

gorf, lunchables, badwolf, you guys mind spinning me a yarn on why i might be wrong to press this issue?

 

[Xatres]

we might only have two pages worth of stuff, i just realised i havent actually seen you take a stance on anything aside from policy, and every post you make about somebody is generally defending their play as perfectly fine

do you still think what you're doing is 'right'?

Again, you can't really criticize me for only talking about X and Y when people keep asking me about X and Y. It's the kind of the nature of conversation.

You might call my play passive, but that just happens to be my playstyle. I like to sit back, watch, and answer questions early game. I do this because I think giving out your reads that early tends to tip mafia off to what they're doing wrong so they can adjust. It's not a playstyle I think every player should take, but its one that I think works for me and the way my brain works.

As far as whether or not BadWolf's post makes me judge his alignment one way or the other... Jury's still out. He's made one post. Hardly enough for me to make a hard judgement one way or the other.

 

[Dabuz]

Xatres, this game is a mini so for someone who is posting as much as you, we expect more work, heck, we expect you to not justify what you're doing as meta when this game has about 50 posts to work with, less than that when factoring out RVS shenanigans.



Right now I hate this game and am on the border of replacing.

The only slot who is attempting to do stuff I like is AsianAussie.

Jex doesn't seem like he exists because despite the fact he's posted, his content is awful and i'm not sure if his play is just bad or if he's not putting effort in.

Xatres actually admitted he doesn't do anything until others have. That's "acceptable" in normal games but there's not enough content in minis to justify that play as helpful to town.

Lunchables needs to read the whole 40 or something posts of this game (<.<) and say something before he gets hard bodied outta here.

Gorf's pressure in 29 + 31 with a followup vote on Jex in 45 is actually pretty cool but now he's gone and I want to see if he has thoughts on the other slots.

Badwolf has one post and he needs to answer questions related to that post.

 

[JeXs]

I haven't had access to smashboards for a few days because I wasn't home, sorry guys

Are you going to join us?
I want to know your thoughts on what has happened so far.
@ Xatres
As of now, who do you think is town and why? You've been posting but I have no idea on your stances.
unvote

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, I just went through some of the posts.

tbh I'm not quite sure how I feel yet, no one has been lynched so we have to go off of peoples behavior and due the inactivity and the TALK about the inactivity it gives me less to go off of. I know its mostly my fault because I'm one of the people who has been gone...

who else is being inactive? Or is it just me now?

 

[Dabuz]

Vote: Lunchable

There's 68 posts in this thread total, READ, it's an easy to answer question.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

#proddodge

sorry guys i was swamped with work these past few days, but now that my show is over ill be able to get back into the mafia motion!...

as soon as i feel like it.

 

[JeXs]

Alright, I just went through some of the posts.

tbh I'm not quite sure how I feel yet, no one has been lynched so we have to go off of peoples behavior and due the inactivity and the TALK about the inactivity it gives me less to go off of. I know its mostly my fault because I'm one of the people who has been gone...

who else is being inactive? Or is it just me now?

Well so going off of people's behavior who do you think is scum? If none then who do you think are town? Why?

 

[Deleted member]

Usually when I play stuff like resistance I can tell when people are and aren't town based on their play, (Well, its spies in resistance but you know what I mean) but I haven't played with any of you before so I can't read you guys yet. Is it normal for bunzy to always be so talkative/aggressive?

 

[Dabuz]

That's a good question, while we wait for someone who knows my play pretty well at this point ( @ #HBC | Gorf ) to answer that; does my behavior give you a solid read?

 

[Deleted member]

It's early game, no one has been lynched yet. I don't 100% know anyones roles yet so I can't make any full accusations but I can take a note of this.

 

[Dabuz]

I hate this excuse, if you don't know **** then make an effort to develop reads, we barely have posts but I have some weak reads, I have directions, it sucks but you are only making it worse.

 

[asianaussie]

bunzy, i really hate having to grill the only other person who wants to get **** done, but imo #66 and #75 are a whole lot of nothing. A lot of summary and berating with few (if any) directed questions that are too easy to slink around, plus some empty threats, which I have nothing against, but I have learned to never overlook

I mean, it's not even your fault, everyone else is doing jack-all for various reasons, but I can't let you slide just because you've posted more than a few fluffy one-liners.

Are you going to join us?
I want to know your thoughts on what has happened so far.
@ Xatres
As of now, who do you think is town and why? You've been posting but I have no idea on your stances.
unvote

why did you unvote? what purpose does it serve, we already knew your vote wasnt a justified one and the chances of a sudden quick bus would be both absurdly out of place and honestly quite suicidal for whoever voted

tell me, what do you think of gorf's #36? honestly, you can even speculate flavour for all i care, but did that actually influence your reads, like it seems to have? (you tell me, poe's law is a thing)

Alright, I just went through some of the posts.

tbh I'm not quite sure how I feel yet, no one has been lynched so we have to go off of peoples behavior and due the inactivity and the TALK about the inactivity it gives me less to go off of. I know its mostly my fault because I'm one of the people who has been gone...

who else is being inactive? Or is it just me now?

no, please stop talking about inactivity

this is the list of people from most to least active, not that it's even slightly relevant

me/xatres when i grilled him/jexs' lack of content
bunzy
everyone else (gorf voted i guess)

answer my question in #64 please

It's early game, no one has been lynched yet. I don't 100% know anyones roles yet so I can't make any full accusations but I can take a note of this.

what even is the point of this post? if you've played resistance you should know that uncertainty is the real name of the game, especially early on

ill tell you that im town. did that change your read on me at all? did gorf's #36 make you think he was actually miller?

 

[JeXs]

Can you quote 36? On phone and can't see post numbers. I unvoted because I believe bunzy is more likely to be town.

 

[asianaussie]

i claim miller and am informed that there is no godfather, and that a townie has a posting restriction where they must claim and keep to their godfather claim. how does that alter your opinion about dabuz?

10millers

 

[JeXs]

Didn't influence my reads. Claim is unbelievable. If it's a real claim it'd clear bunzy as town which is ridiculous in a 7 man game.

 

[Xatres]

You guys seem to be confusing "not telling you what I'm thinking" with "not doing anything at all."

Some people learn more by stirring the pot, other by watching how others stir the pot. I'm one of the latter.