Social Mii Swordfighter Social: Guide Hype

Trieste SP · Jun 20, 2015

MisterFinch said:
What do you mean by topping this game? As far as I can tell, the DLC characters may just keep coming with the Polls. There may be more than one poll for player-choice characters.

And yeah, this game is definitely the most balanced (Minus Ryu, Roy and Lucas who may need patches in the future... especially Roy). With how often the patches keep coming, Swordfighter may soon enough become a fantastic character to use... not that he isn't. I love Mii's style so much that I plan on buying the Swordfighter Amiibo

What I meant is for future installments of this series. Although, it may be far too early to think about that.

Good luck on getting your hands on that Amiibo.

Edit: We seriously need more people here. I'm resorting to editing my posts just to post something else.

Edit2: I been thinking about ways of cleaning this place up. Like making/merging threads.

Edit3: @

Antonykun What's the progress of your guide. I'll help you out if you want.

Edit4: Been thinking of setting up a Swordfighter index thread. Would be useful for newer people.

GS3K · Jun 21, 2015

This made me Lol waaaaaay harder than it should have.

In case you don't know what that is and think "why is a nerf gun pointed at a fly?", that's the bug-a-salt. It's a mini shotgun designed to kill bugs with table salt.

Antonykun · Jun 21, 2015

GS3K said:
This made me Lol waaaaaay harder than it should have.

In case you don't know what that is and think "why is a nerf gun pointed at a fly?", that's the bug-a-salt. It's a mini shotgun designed to kill bugs with table salt.

gosh the poor things

GS3K · Jun 21, 2015

It's overkill but hilarious at the same time.

Trieste SP · Jun 21, 2015

Finally done with the compendium. That took a while.

Thought, I'll do some organisation here. The urge is strong.

Edit: Made it colourful~~ :colorful:

Edit2: It's stickied. That was fast. lol

Edit3: I mean this thread is decently active compared to some other social threads around here.

Edit4: I'm going to keep making this place all neat and better.

AEMehr · Jun 21, 2015

Don't be afraid to ask for help if you need it

Trieste SP , anything for my butter knife buds.

Trieste SP · Jun 21, 2015

AEM said:
Don't be afraid to ask for help if you need it Trieste SP , anything for my butter knife buds.

Thanks, I appreciate it. :happysheep:

If I have anything related to mod stuff I'll ask for your help. I'd do it myself if I could.

Edit: What other threads do you think I should make next, I'm thinking a Q&A thread.

Edit2: I'm going to start compiling all the tournament results of Swordfighter and format it real nicely in the tournament results thread that I've made.

Edit3: Do anyone here know a easier way to search for Swordfighter's tournament results?

GS3K · Jun 21, 2015

I'd do that for gunner, but I'd feel like a copycat and I'm extremely lazy (I need to fix that problem)

Darklink401 · Jun 21, 2015

Trieste SP said:
Thanks, I appreciate it.

If I have anything related to mod stuff I'll ask for your help. I'd do it myself if I could.

Edit: What other threads do you think I should make next, I'm thinking a Q&A thread.

Edit2: I'm going to start compiling all the tournament results of Swordfighter and format it real nicely in the tournament results thread that I've made.

Edit3: Do anyone here know a easier way to search for Swordfighter's tournament results?

Look up Trela on youtube

That's really it. lol

Antonykun · Jun 21, 2015

Darklink401 said:
Look up Trela on youtube

That's really it. lol

gratz on being a mod btw

Darklink401 · Jun 21, 2015

Antonykun said:
gratz on being a mod btw

Thank you! :3

I hope to help out as much as possible (gotta clean up OTL first XD lol, make it look nice XP)

GS3K · Jun 21, 2015

I finally got a GC controller.

Trieste SP · Jun 21, 2015

Darklink401 said:
Look up Trela on youtube

That's really it. lol

That's going to take a while. Hmm....

GS3K said:
I finally got a GC controller.

Congrats!

Luggy · Jun 21, 2015

So, I started using the Mii SwordFighter as a secondary. So far I'm liking it, using the sets 2132 and 2131.
Any tips for beginners for this character ?

GS3K · Jun 21, 2015

Why is this control scheme agitating me? I'm playing like I've never used a GC controller before...

Darklink401 · Jun 21, 2015

Luggy said:
So, I started using the Mii SwordFighter as a secondary. So far I'm liking it, using the sets 2132 and 2131.
Any tips for beginners for this character ?

Dthrow to upair
Dair janky spikes

That's all, really.

Antonykun · Jun 21, 2015

Luggy said:
So, I started using the Mii SwordFighter as a secondary. So far I'm liking it, using the sets 2132 and 2131.
Any tips for beginners for this character ?

practice your jab cancels
jab 1 or 2 into d-tilt for example and go watch trela

Trieste SP · Jun 22, 2015

Luggy said:
So, I started using the Mii SwordFighter as a secondary. So far I'm liking it, using the sets 2132 and 2131.
Any tips for beginners for this character ?

Spacing is really important. Practice on that.

Edit: Finished the tournament results from what I can find.

Edit2: AEM helped out with some minor changes that'll make navigating a bit more easier.

Edit3: Do you guys have any requests on what I should work on next?

GeneralLedge · Jun 22, 2015

A very, very large stretch:

We need some collection of damage, movement speed, jump height, and frame data between different Mii sizes.

If we can get the four corners* and the default, we might be able to figure out exactly how sizes affect these things (ie. 'Min height reduces landing lag on x by 2 frames' or something).

*(four corners being height/width: "Min/Min", "Min/Max", "Max/Min", and "Max/Max")

Trieste SP · Jun 22, 2015

GeneralLedge said:
A very, very large stretch:

We need some collection of damage, movement speed, jump height, and frame data between different Mii sizes.

If we can get the four corners* and the default, we might be able to figure out exactly how sizes affect these things (ie. 'Min height reduces landing lag on x by 2 frames' or something).

*(four corners being height/width: "Min/Min", "Min/Max", "Max/Min", and "Max/Max")

I can make the threads but I don't know where to get the data. I don't have Smash with me at the moment so that's a major problem.

GS3K · Jun 22, 2015

This controller is going to be the death of me. DX

Antonykun · Jun 22, 2015

GS3K said:
This controller is going to be the death of me. DX

Stand strong you can do it!

san. · Jun 22, 2015

GeneralLedge said:
A very, very large stretch:

We need some collection of damage, movement speed, jump height, and frame data between different Mii sizes.

If we can get the four corners* and the default, we might be able to figure out exactly how sizes affect these things (ie. 'Min height reduces landing lag on x by 2 frames' or something).

*(four corners being height/width: "Min/Min", "Min/Max", "Max/Min", and "Max/Max")

Assuming around a 13% damage attack when I tested a few months back (most of it was just approximate):

0/0 damage reduction is around -0.5
100/100 damage increase is around +1.2-1.5 Damage changes are a smooth curve.
Despite this, kill % were roughly the same, +/- 1 or 2 %.

weight increases damage at roughly 2x the rate of height.

Height decreased landing and ending lag by only a few frames (may be % based/more noticeable on slower attacks) at 0/0.

Movement differences were tough to split between height and weight. Both affect it and that was all I was looking for.

Someone will have to test again, since this is just by memory of stuff I tried to look at months ago.

GS3K · Jun 22, 2015

Antonykun said:
Stand strong you can do it!

I'm slowly getting better, it's just annoying constantly doing an fsmash when I mean to grab out of a shield.

Trieste SP · Jun 22, 2015

san. said:
Assuming around a 13% damage attack when I tested a few months back (most of it was just approximate):

0/0 damage reduction is around -0.5
100/100 damage increase is around +1.2-1.5 Damage changes are a smooth curve.
Despite this, kill % were roughly the same, +/- 1 or 2 %.

weight increases damage at roughly 2x the rate of height.

Height decreased landing and ending lag by only a few frames (may be % based/more noticeable on slower attacks) at 0/0.

Movement differences were tough to split between height and weight. Both affect it and that was all I was looking for.

Someone will have to test again, since this is just by memory of stuff I tried to look at months ago.

Hmm... this seems harder than I thought.

Are the effects the same with the other Mii Fighters as well or it's just specifically Swordfighter?

san. · Jun 22, 2015

Trieste SP said:
Hmm... this seems harder than I thought.

Are the effects the same with the other Mii Fighters as well or it's just specifically Swordfighter?

I think they're the same.

Trieste SP · Jun 23, 2015

san. said:
I think they're the same.

Thanks.

I'm going to ask the other Mii boards.

Antonykun · Jun 23, 2015

wow that f-air landing lag buff (i counted around 8 frames)
im pretty sure its still very unsafe

Trieste SP · Jun 23, 2015

Alright, so...

We need data.

Min/Min

Min/Max

Max/Min

Max/Max

GS3K · Jun 23, 2015

Now would be a really good time for me to learn frame data.

~~Yikes that's a lot of stuff to do~~

Trieste SP · Jun 23, 2015

GS3K said:
Now would be a really good time for me to learn frame data.

~~Yikes that's a lot of stuff to do~~

Yep, try to learn it. It's a bit confusing at first but you'll get a hang of it eventually.

That is a ton of things to do. The sad thing is I don't have Smash with me so I can't do it alone.

I really hope someone is willing to spend the time to gather the data. I'm out of options. Especially with the latest patch.

Edit: Maybe I need to work out default Swordfighter's moveset data. (1111)

Edit: I got my hands on some data but it's only min/standard/max sizes. Oh well.. beggars can't be choosers.

san. · Jun 23, 2015

Size should only affect damage, IASA (endlag), and landing lag. All other factors such as startup, angle, base knockback, and knockback growth should be the same.

Trieste SP · Jun 24, 2015

Sorry, I haven't made much progress on the data collecting, I'm working my way to collect damage values from Dantarion's Dump and some frame data from a Japanese guy. Although, his data is actually relevant to the latest patch. Finding it a bit tedious to find a GM to help out with some mod stuff for the Swordfighter boards. Still have a ton of things to do to make this place neater.

The reason for the lack of progress is that I was working on some new threads for Squidboards like the ''official'' Q&A thread, Game Play Advice thread and the Story Mode Discussion thread because I need a place to centralize most of the discussion to avoid people making excessive threads.

Though, I did find out I wasn't strict when it comes to modding. Someone has criticized that I wasn't strict when I comes to modding. I understand that I'm not a person who immediately gives out warnings or infractions. Instead I warn them first with a post before I ever take any action. Though, because of this the Competitive section of the site have gotten very negative and it's because of my neglection of moderating that side of the boards.

I suppose the best thing I can do is to channel all this negativity into a single thread and be more unforgiving to people who's deliberately breaking the rules. However, I need to remember to not go overboard with it because it may cause backlash if I'm too strict. Seen this happening to many mods of subreddits and forums. That is a situation I want to avoid at all costs.

Hopefully, my efforts will work out in the end. Somehow, I have a feeling it's going to get much tougher from here. This is a responsibility that @Warchamp7 have entrusted me and I can't let him down.

san. said:
Size should only affect damage, IASA (endlag), and landing lag. All other factors such as startup, angle, base knockback, and knockback growth should be the same.

Interesting...

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind.

Edit: This place is dead again XC

I've completed a rough draft of the table. Will post as soon as I can, probably around this week.

Edit: Mods please merge this to the one above.

Pegasus Knight · Jun 28, 2015

That table looks like a good start. I don't have any special tools, and only one copy of the game on 1.0.8 (none on 1.0.7 or earlier)... is there some way I can help, regardless? Pretend I know nothing about data gathering and would be starting from square one.

Trieste SP · Jun 28, 2015

Pegasus Knight said:
That table looks like a good start. I don't have any special tools, and only one copy of the game on 1.0.8 (none on 1.0.7 or earlier)... is there some way I can help, regardless? Pretend I know nothing about data gathering and would be starting from square one.

Sure, thanks for offering your help.

I need you to help me find some damage values for Swordfighter's moves. Including his customs. I'd do it myself if I had the game with me.

GS3K · Jun 28, 2015

Ugh, I feel like dropping this game, or at least temporarily. Lately it's just been giving me headaches and I don't want to keep going if it just puts me on ~~ow the~~ edge. If you don't hear from me in a while, you'll know why.

Pegasus Knight · Jun 28, 2015

Will try to do some of that later tonight, heading out across a good chunk of the state in a few minutes. What should my 'control' be for the data gathering, a default size Guest Mii Swordfighter?

Trieste SP · Jun 28, 2015

Pegasus Knight said:
Will try to do some of that later tonight, heading out across a good chunk of the state in a few minutes. What should my 'control' be for the data gathering, a default size Guest Mii Swordfighter?

Yep. Default is good.

Pegasus Knight · Jun 29, 2015

I ended up getting back in town so late I had no energy to do data testing. I'll try to get on it tonight or tomorrow. All you're asking me to gather at this time is Damage? My controls for this would be Default Guest Mii Swordfighter, Omega Gaur Plain, hitting Mario and being sure to record sweet spot and sour spot hits for the moves they apply to along with regular damage for moves that don't 'spot'.

RidleyDX · Jun 29, 2015

Very briefly got to talk to trela at CEO, super nice guy wish I could have do some dittos but casuals were packed, poor guy he was telling me he had to set up a mii every time he went to a different station, the mii struggle is real.

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