Midnight Ops Mafia: Game Thread. Game Over!

[ExLight]

no one else to counterclaim or do anything to indicate that you think he's lying

wait what? even if he isn't?

 

[ExLight]

I would. Cause your wincon is scum majority. If you did as traitor you don’t win with mafia. Vice verse is still a win.

I don't get what you mean

 

[fontisian]

wait what? even if he isn't?

Correct. Even if you are certain Boom is lying, don't say anything, don't even talk about him, just yeet Rajam and we can deal with Boom Tomorrow.

 

[Xivii]

Why not just yeet and have him claim tomorrow.

 

[ExLight]

Correct. Even if you are certain Boom is lying, don't say anything, don't even talk about him, just yeet Rajam and we can deal with Boom Tomorrow.

ooh, I think I see what you're doing
that's an interesting strategy

 

[Chaco]

Understood Fonti.

 

[Z25]

I don't get what you mean

I believe their point, is that the traitor should still win even if their mates die, as they are technically of a separate alignment. In most games if you had a traitor, they can work like a third party, and still win if they are alive.

Cha's point is that he would have bused frozen if it helped him in that scenario reach his win con.

Plus day 1, FF got piled on fast, I don't think it matters if the traitor bused them or not.

 

[Chaco]

I don't get what you mean

Nevermind I was thinking of a traitor where they don’t win unless they’re alive at endgame when scum win. There’s to many types of traitors. But looking at the front it just seems to be an additional number. Which is something to think about actually.

UtopianPoyzin Does traitor win if they are dead and scum takes majority?

 

[Chaco]

I believe their point, is that the traitor should still win even if their mates die, as they are technically of a separate alignment. In most games if you had a traitor, they can work like a third party, and still win if they are alive.

Cha's point is that he would have bused frozen if it helped him in that scenario reach his win con.

Plus day 1, FF got piled on fast, I don't think it matters if the traitor bused them or not.

Yeo this with addendum of what I just said. Cause I was thinking that it was typical traitor where they have to be alive to win since it’s a non recruit. But asking for clarification on that one.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Vote Count 2.04

[4] BoomFrog: Chaco, LaserGuy, Z25, Xivii
[2] Chaco: ExLight, Darkpit54
[2] Rajam: BoomFrog, Malakandra
[1] ExLight: Trisscar
[1] Z25: Rajam

Not voting: Fontisian

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

Day 2 ends on July 12th at 8 PM EST​

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

UtopianPoyzin UtopianPoyzin Does traitor win if they are dead and scum takes majority?

Yes

 

[ExLight]

I believe their point, is that the traitor should still win even if their mates die, as they are technically of a separate alignment. In most games if you had a traitor, they can work like a third party, and still win if they are alive.

that's just wrong tho
you can read they have the same wincon as the main mafia in the OP post

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

The traitor is not a separate faction; for all tenses and purposes, they are mafia. They can still win with mafia if they are lynched or killed. However, they do not share the factional communication, and the mafia is unaware of their existence.

 

[BoomFrog]

If I am mason and claim and we yeet Rajam I still get shot. Yes, this takes away the downsides of a late claim if I'm scum, but not the downside of an early claim if I'm town. I'll claim if Xivii concurs with you.

 

[fontisian]

Fine.

Vote: Rajam

 

[Chaco]

 

[Chaco]

We were right there. On the cusp of greatness. But a tall glass of wine stood in the way.

 

[Xivii]

I'm voting rajam UtopianPoyzin

 

[Xivii]

Traitor is informed of who the entire scumteam is.

Z25 how does this affect your read

 

[Xivii]

The traitor is not a separate faction; for all tenses and purposes, they are mafia. They can still win with mafia if they are lynched or killed. However, they do not share the factional communication, and the mafia is unaware of their existence.

They cannot win solo though correct?

 

[Chaco]

For all sakes and purposes though what Boom says is accurate, it’s still not solid enough to not pursue a Lynch imo. If Boom is scum, we could potentially be handing them a mislynch with Rajam.

 

[Chaco]

Obviously I support a Boom Lynch over Rajam, but am willing to go for Rajam if majority doesn’t pursue.

But if Boom is town, good chance he gets shot anyways if we don’t lynch on those grounds.

welcome to the vineyard.

 

[ExLight]

They cannot win solo though correct?

the role pm suggests they can though

 

[ExLight]

actually, it depends whether or not they can perform the kill if they're the last ones remaining
so I guess maybe they can't

 

[Chaco]

UP over here getting sweated by the infinite traitor variants

 

[Chaco]

They don’t have any abilities, so no kill. I CAN DECIPHER THAT PART!

 

[Chaco]

On a non player in game related note, UtopianPoyzin , if you ******* modded this setup we would have been ****ed on that one.

 

[Darkpit54]

Unvote

Vote: Rajam

 

[Chaco]

Sigh.

Unvote
Vote: Rajam

 

[Darkpit54]

But if Boom is town, good chance he gets shot anyways if we don’t lynch on those grounds

This may be true, but it would save us a mislynch toMorrow. That's still a win for us overall

 

[Xivii]

Obviously I support a Boom Lynch over Rajam, but am willing to go for Rajam if majority doesn’t pursue.

But if Boom is town, good chance he gets shot anyways if we don’t lynch on those grounds.

welcome to the vineyard.

What even is this logic

 

[Xivii]

and lol at the quickhammer. Chaco does not live to endgame

 

[Malakandra]

Wait is that hammer?

 

[Chaco]

No that’s 5

 

[fontisian]

It's hammer, Xivii is voting. It's fine.

 

[Chaco]

What even is this logic

Dead on what it reads.

 

[Xivii]

Up didn't count my vote on the last vote count

 

[Chaco]

the vote count is messed up.???

there should be allowance for that then.

unvote

 

[BoomFrog]

This may be true, but it would save us a mislynch toMorrow. That's still a win for us overall

Shhhh....

Although obviously scum are competent this game so you didn't actually spoil anything.

 

[Chaco]

UtopianPoyzin Can you disregard my prior vote due to inaccurate vote count? Thanks.