Midna ! Out of the Shadows ! (New DLC means a new chance !)

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Welcome To the New Midna Support Thread !
The Impish Ruler of the Twilight Realm is here !

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Who is Midna ?
Midna is a member of the Twili race from The Legend of Zelda : Twilight Princess, their ruler as a matter of fact. In this game she have been cursed by another Twili, Zant, into this impish form and have been overthrown by him, that form have become iconic of her, she team up with Link as your partner through all the story on your quest to defeat Zant. As the story goes, she develop alongside Link, into an amazing ally and friend to the Hero in Green.

Moveset Potential
Imp Form Vs True Form
Midna is a complex character, as she posses two different forms, with widely different abilities, her Imp Form fight with her hair that she turn into an hand to grab or punch people, that coupled with variety of magic, a full concept using the Imp Form can be found right here
Gameplay Overview : Midna in her Imp form would be a very light character due to her little form and her floating abilities. Being able to use her Hair for lots of uses like Grab enemies from afar, Punch them with a Giant Hair fist, stab people with it as well, or flattening them with a push of the palm of her hair hand, it would most probably be her main weapon as a fighter, but it’s far from being the only thing she use. She can use portals to warp herself through any solid object, can slip in the shadows to surprise enemies from nowhere as well as creating projectile with both her normal hands, and her Hair Hand.
She could become a very frightening character with lots of tools to use in lots of different situations, a “High Risk/High Reward” sort of character, with really powerful moves that have to be used correctly as to not get punished, she also can call on to the Fused Shadows and her ElderLich Form as a final attack.

Jab : One attack only, transforming her hair into a giant fist, she threw it at the opponent before pulling it back


Forward Tilt : One quick slap with her giant hand in front of her


Down Tilt : Using her hair as a palm this time, she slap directly into the ground with it, grounding opponent touched for a short time


Up Tilt : A swipe of her hair, start from the ground in front of her, and do a quick swipe above her


Forward Smash : She charge up her fist behind her, the more she charge it, the more Purple magic drop of it, (it's a cosmetic effect, charging up just do like every other Smash attacks), and then she release it with one big hit with her hair


Down Smash : She partially merge with the shadow, as her hit box become very small and near the ground, she then do one spin with her Hair, hitting first in front of her, and then behind her


Up Smash : Using her Magic, she make a pointy rock rise up from the stage, and upward hitting the enemies in the air with this powerful projectile


Neutral Aerial : Her hair take the form of a palm, before doing a quick spin around her, slapping away the enemies near her


Forward/Back Aerial : She create a shadow ball in her hand in both case, but use it differently for the Forward and aerial one, for the Forward one, she throw it in front of her, it goes à bit of distance before making a little explosion, it explode before if encountering an enemy, when using her back aerial though, she explode it immediately, making a large hitbox around her back, and propelling her a bit forward


Up Aerial : Making her Hand into a Palm form again, she make a big push up her head, if an enemy get hit by this attacks, he won't receive much damage, but will be pushed upward rapidly, the knock back increase very slightly with damage, but it always push pretty high


Down Aerial : Using her magic, she make a drill kick straight down while laughing, she isn't able to stop herself mid way, and it's a pretty fast, multi hit attacks that will drag down the enemy with you


Grab : She use her hand to grab the enemy, after that she just stand lazely as the Hand either constrict to deal damage (Pummel), or throw the enemy violently in one direction (Throw)


Neutral Special : Using her Hand as a palm, she start charging up a big orb of Dark Energy, she cannot move while she is charging it up, but she can keep the charge by rolling or dodging, when throwing it she throw it right at her feet causing a big explosion, the more charged it is, the bigger the explosion is, and the more damage it deal, those hitted only by the explosion will take less damage than the one that got caught by the orb throw and the explosion


Side Special : A Special type of command grab, she will stretch her hair in the direction chosen, and will grab any enemies her hair meet, she will then stretch her hair back to her, and throw the enemy in one direction, by pressing the button a second time, the grabbing hand will change into a fist, dealing good amount of damage and of knock back in the direction the fist is going, she cannot move while using this move and cannot cancel it in the middle of it either


Up B : Midna create a warp portal and use it to teleport up her current location, she cannot be hitted when teleporting, but the Teleport cannot be aimed, it will only go up, the Teleport pass through solid object, but will always teleport in the air, it isn't possible to recover directly on a platform, her teleport does not have a hurt box, but she do not get into free fall mod after the warp


Down B : When using this move, a start up animation start where Midna slowly slip into the platform and in the shadows, she is hittable during the beginning of this attack even if her hitbox shrink down into the platform during it, once inside the shadows, she is invincible for a little bit of time, she is visible by a clear shadow on the platform (just like Greninja's), once the timer is up, she get back from the shadow and attack the nearest enemy, if no enemy is near her at that moment, she simply slip back to the stage


Final Smash : The Fused Shadow appear around her as she suddenly transform, anyone touched by her Spider Form limbs get sended into an animation where Midna, in this new Beastial form, unleash a brutal combo with her Giant Spear, if no one get touched, the Fused Shadow simply parts away, leaving Midna in her normal form again


Taunt :

-Up Taunt have her reaching her hand out, making the Fused Shadows appear, she look at them, before wrapping them away and laughing

-Side Taunt have her making the Ordon Shield and Sword appear, the Shield on her head as a mask, and the sword back handed, she give a quick swing, before pulling the items away

-Down Taunt have her extending her hair into a palm, before sitting on it and laughing, then coming back to her normal stand


Idle Animation :

-Midna pull off the Twilight Thorn, playing a bit with it in her hand, before pulling it away

-She start levitating in a laying down position as she start to hum the first few notes of her theme

Twili Midna is a much different fighter than her Imp counterpart, less floaty and more of a medium weight fighter. She could either use the “Twilight Spear” that she is seen wielding with ease as a special in Hyrule Warriors, which would give us our first Spear fighter, or she could use the “Midna’s Hands”, Giants Hands guardian of the Twilight Realm that she use as an extension of hers, and as a replacement from her Hair Hand. That, coupled with a lot of magic that she can use with a lot more ease now that she is in her True Form, she would be a Fighter quite quick on her feet, with powerful attacks to back her down with enough distance, I do not currently have a fleshed out of moveset for Twili Midna, you are more than welcom to submire one if you so want too

What does she have going for her ?

Midna have on her side the fact of being an extremely well loved character in the fan base, as well as being requested for Smash since the year of her creation, people want her, and Nintendo know of her popularity, she is one of the few Zelda character to receive an Amiibo appearance, as well as the only character that isn’t a Triforce Bearer to get multiple playable slots in Hyrule Warriors. She was also used as the only character in the Picross Spin Off instead of characters like Link or Zelda, which does mean that Nintendo recognise how popular she is, Easter Eggs in multiple Zelda games referencing her are also a good sign.

While her game did release more than 10 years ago, it got a re-release 3 years ago, that also worked well, Twilight Princess was a high selling point for the Wii, and sequel of this game have been talked about in the past, if that sequel do come true one day, we may just get a new occasion for her to get in. Being an Assist Trophy also help since she is recognised by the creator of Smash, and might just be seen as more important later on, and following Dark Samus or Little Mac exemple, she could get promoted to Fighter.

Counter Arguments against Midna

Why her over x Zelda character ?
Midna is a beloved character of the franchise, she have been popular in the fan base since her game came out, even a bit before that, and since then, be it in the Zelda fanbase or the Smash fanbase, she stayed at the top of the popular characters of this franchise. Since Super Smash Bros Brawl, Midna have been a popular choice for Zelda characters in Smash, that's what earned her a spot as an Assist Trophy, Skull Kid is her biggest competition, a rising star in popularity since Ultimate. It's a little bit of a battle between those two, but Midna had that spot for a long time, even if Skull Kid offer a good fight in popularity as it is

But she's just a one off !
Yes, so is Sheik, and Ganondorf by the time of Melee, one off in Smash aren't new as long as they are important characters, and one off in the Zelda roster is also not new to Smash either. While technically being a one off to Main games, she's a recurent character in Zelda Spin Off, appearing in Hyrule Warriors in the main story, getting a DLC in the same game that gave another spot to her other form, Twili Midna, gained a new scenario in Hyrule Warriors Legends, and also appeared in The Legend of Zelda : Twilight Princess Picross, she's far from appearing in only one game, the Main game also have a lot of hidden reference to her, and her people

She's an Assist Trophy ! She cannot get in !
That is true, she is indeed an Assist Trophy, but with a second wave of DLC annonced for Smash, her chances flared back up, this is a first in Smash history, DLC that weren't planned from the release of the game, as such, Assist Trophy and Spirits alike are still on the table as it is. And even if she is deconfirmed for this time around, rallying our community together can give her a good shot for next time

Her Game is 10+ years old ! She missed her shot !
Yes ... And no, her game indeed released in 2006, but it recently got a re-release 3 years ago, making her more revelant than half the newcomer and DLC of Ultimate, her apperance in Hyrule Warriors Definitive Editions is also pretty recent

Superter List !

That's it !
Thank you all for reading ! Hope to see a lot of you joining the suporter list soon ! Midna already had a thread here, but the thread owner deserted the site when she was revealed an AT over a year from today, with the news of this second Wave DLC, I felt like it was a good time to make a brand new one, and invite Midna fans from this website to join a thread that WILL be left active, I make that promise.
I will now leave you all with a few useful links, hope to see you guys in this thread !


"The Twilight Realm" Official Midna Discord Server

"Midna4Smash" Twitter Account

"Case For Midna" Full Document to make the case for Midna in Smash

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Kenith is hardly on Smashboards anymore and the old thread is dead, I would be all in favor of this one being the new one.
 

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Kenith is hardly on Smashboards anymore and the old thread is dead, I would be all in favor of this one being the new one.
Thanks Aussie ! That was the basic feeling around creating this thread
Do you want to be a supporter of it ? Or did you just pass by to tell me good luck, whichever case, thank you for passing !
 

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The biggest obstacle facing Midna right now is her status as an Assist Trophy. During the whole Waluigi debacle I think I rememver Sakurai saying 'he'll take the fans' response into account'. So I'd like to believe he'll at least give the ATs a second look for this second wave of DLC but I'm not holding my breath.

That said I've been a big supporter of Midna who's been my most wanted Smash Fighter since Twilight Princess, whether it is with or without Wolf Link or whether she's in her imp form or true form! She's an awesome character and one I think would be a lot of fun to play!
 

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The biggest obstacle facing Midna right now is her status as an Assist Trophy. During the whole Waluigi debacle I think I rememver Sakurai saying 'he'll take the fans' response into account'. So I'd like to believe he'll at least give the ATs a second look for this second wave of DLC but I'm not holding my breath.

That said I've been a big supporter of Midna who's been my most wanted Smash Fighter since Twilight Princess, whether it is with or without Wolf Link or whether she's in her imp form or true form! She's an awesome character and one I think would be a lot of fun to play!
You and me both Aetheri ! Midna have been the one character I really supported since Brawl, Twilight Princess is kinda my favorite game of all time, thanks to her in some parts hehe
I would love for her to be in, while I have my preference on her form, I would definitly be super omega giga hype either way, even if somehow that dumb proposition of Echo True Form Midna of Zelda happened, I would still be hyped (even if way less)

And yeah, the big problem is AT Promotion, but we are entering a really unknown area ! a 2nd Wave like that have never been done before, so we can't know what is off the table, and what isn't, so for now ... And before we get all info, everything is good ! And the DLC aren't all choosen apparently ! So we may have a chance to make our voices heard !

Do you want a place in the "Suporter" tab Aetheri BTW ? Thought to ask before adding you hehe
 

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You and me both Aetheri ! Midna have been the one character I really supported since Brawl, Twilight Princess is kinda my favorite game of all time, thanks to her in some parts hehe
I would love for her to be in, while I have my preference on her form, I would definitly be super omega giga hype either way, even if somehow that dumb proposition of Echo True Form Midna of Zelda happened, I would still be hyped (even if way less)

And yeah, the big problem is AT Promotion, but we are entering a really unknown area ! a 2nd Wave like that have never been done before, so we can't know what is off the table, and what isn't, so for now ... And before we get all info, everything is good ! And the DLC aren't all choosen apparently ! So we may have a chance to make our voices heard !

Do you want a place in the "Suporter" tab Aetheri BTW ? Thought to ask before adding you hehe
The lack of any real info for this second wave is something we should be wary of considering we have no idea how its going to be handled and how many fighters will be added. Best to keep any expectations in check till an AT does get shown off at least.

And of course you can add me!
 

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The lack of any real info for this second wave is something we should be wary of considering we have no idea how its going to be handled and how many fighters will be added. Best to keep any expectations in check till an AT does get shown off at least.

And of course you can add me!
Yeah, of course we should keep that expectation a bit in check but ... Can you blame me for being exited hehe, Midna was cut off on the day we knew about Ultimate, and finally after a year, she's getting a potential chance of being in again, I'm just really exited at the possibility ! But I'm far from considering it a certainty

I'm gonna be happy either way with Nintendo Characters, the Fighter Pass being only 3rd party kinda turned me off, so at least there is a big chance that we'll get Nintendo characters this time around

I know that like me, you would be exited any ways, but ... Any preffered form for Midna ? Imp ? With Wolf Link ? True Form ? Kinda curious, and happy to talk about her hehe

I'll add you right up !
 

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Yeah, of course we should keep that expectation a bit in check but ... Can you blame me for being exited hehe, Midna was cut off on the day we knew about Ultimate, and finally after a year, she's getting a potential chance of being in again, I'm just really exited at the possibility ! But I'm far from considering it a certainty

I'm gonna be happy either way with Nintendo Characters, the Fighter Pass being only 3rd party kinda turned me off, so at least there is a big chance that we'll get Nintendo characters this time around

I know that like me, you would be exited any ways, but ... Any preffered form for Midna ? Imp ? With Wolf Link ? True Form ? Kinda curious, and happy to talk about her hehe

I'll add you right up !
I'm not fussy cuz I think she'll be fun in any form. However I feel she's far more iconic when paired with Wolf Link as that's what's often used to promote Twilight Princess and represents the main mechanic of the game. It also reinforces the fact that she's a companion to Link. I also think the contrast between Midna's twili magic and Wolf Link's savageness would make for an interesting moveset.

However solo Imp form has a lot of potential as a fighter as well and gives her so much more freedom to utilize her magic abilities.
 
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New thread huh? Well, glad to keep showing my support for Midna.
Thank you ! I thought it would be a good idea now that the DLC have been confirmed, better hype up and talk in a brand new thread, with me as an active owner, than in a dead one with a Thread owner that dissapeared a year ago, don't you think ?
You're free to respond to the same question I asked Aetheri about your favorite/most wanted Midna form for Smash if you want too ! I'll add you to the suporter list shortly

I'm not fussy cuz I think she'll be fun in any form. However I feel she's far more iconic when paired with Wolf Link as that's what's often used to promote Twilight Princess and represents the main mechanic of the game. It also reinforces the fact that she's a companion to Link. I also think the contrast between Midna's twili magic and Wolf Link's savageness would make for an interesting moveset.

However solo Imp form has a lot of potential as a fighter as well and gives her so much more freedom to utilize her magic abilities.
Mmmm, I do see what you mean, but personally Midna & Wolf Link have been my least favorite take on the character (Even if I would still love it and enjoy it !) Just that ... You know, Giant Hair Punch and Shadowy magic will always be cooler than Bark and Bites to me haha, but I do get that it can make something nice, just that I fear it might weight down Midna a bit

That's why the moveset that I propsed and created, is made with Solo Imp Midna instead of the duo, hope you enjoyed it BTW !
But once again, I'm open to either of the 3, I just have my little preferences hehe
 
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Thank you ! I thought it would be a good idea now that the DLC have been confirmed, better hype up and talk in a brand new thread, with me as an active owner, than in a dead one with a Thread owner that dissapeared a year ago, don't you think ?
You're free to respond to the same question I asked Aetheri about your favorite/most wanted Midna form for Smash if you want too ! I'll add you to the suporter list shortly


Mmmm, I do see what you mean, but personally Midna & Wolf Link have been my least favorite take on the character (Even if I would still love it and enjoy it !) Just that ... You know, Giant Hair Punch and Shadowy magic will always be cooler than Bark and Bites to me haha, but I do get that it can make something nice, just that I fear it might weight down Midna a bit

That's why the moveset that I propsed and created, is made with Solo Imp Midna instead of the duo, hope you enjoyed it BTW !
But once again, I'm open to either of the 3, I just have my little preferences hehe
Well, I think the best way to go is Imp Midna by herself, really lean on the whole mischievous floatiness and hair and stuff. Wolf Link seems like it would limit her moveset tbh, and is also technically more Link. But I would be okay with that too.
 

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Well, I think the best way to go is Imp Midna by herself, really lean on the whole mischievous floatiness and hair and stuff. Wolf Link seems like it would limit her moveset tbh, and is also technically more Link. But I would be okay with that too.
Mhm, that's my point of view on it too, that Midna as a character just fit better by herself, and it look like Smash recognized that, by making her on her own for her AT
I do also fear that people would bash Midna for being a glorified "4th Link" if she was with Wolf Link, but hey ... The fan base can be dumb sometimes, shouldn't bother us from enjoying what we enjoy
I think that some nice things can be done with the Duo, but if I had to choose, Imp Midna solo would be my definitive choice
 

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Glad to see this getting opened.

If I may give one criticism to the introduction post : make shorters sentences , use more points to allow the reader to breath for a bit.
Otherwise , I already saw everything in the Google doc you shared in the Midna server , months ago , and it was really good !

I always find the "her game is too old!" argument silly , when we just got Banjo & Kazooie... And their last game was like , more than 10 years ago.

Anyway , add me to the supporter list Vivi !
 

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Glad to see this getting opened.

If I may give one criticism to the introduction post : make shorters sentences , use more points to allow the reader to breath for a bit.
Otherwise , I already saw everything in the Google doc you shared in the Midna server , months ago , and it was really good !

I always find the "her game is too old!" argument silly , when we just got Banjo & Kazooie... And their last game was like , more than 10 years ago.

Anyway , add me to the supporter list Vivi !
Hehe, I'm glad to see it oppened too ! I was sad to see the state of the old Midna thread, so it was time to make it brand new for this new wave of DLC !

And yeah, TBH, people don't exactly say "Her game is too old" but more "She missed her shot", but it's ... Basically the same argument, saying that because her game got released since so long, she can't get in anymore, it is indeed a bit dumb I agree with you

Gonna change the Post and add your name to the supporter Koko ! I'll be right on it !
 

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It only have been a day, and we already have 3 supporter! Thanks everyone! The support is appreciated hehe
On that note, just like Loliko did, if you have any criticism, or anything you want to add to the original post, please feel free to tell me! I'll be happy to do so
Withthat said, a little question to stire up discussions... When did you first came to see Midna? In her original game? In Smash? Online? I'm curious about that, I personally met her in her game as a child, was... Really young when TP came out, but I remember still really liking her hehe
 

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And there you go! Added! Sorry for the delay haha
It's nice to see the support for Midna coming on this site too, the more people the better, so don't be afraid to post your love about Midna everyone!
 

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Count me as a Supporter as well!

I will say that if Midna were to be playable; my hope would be Imp Midna (solo) with Twili Midna being her Final Smash.
Oh ! That's an interesting one! We could go for an Hyrule Warriors like thing to explain it, you know with how her Dlc chapter had her regain her True Form for one chapter due to a Twilight Thorn
My personal favorite FS for Midna would be the Elderlich Form with the 4 Fused Shadow pieces, but True Form as a FS is also a nice idea!

I'll add you right up to the supporter!
 

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Made this pool on GameFaqs yesterday, I'm really liking those results haha, on 120 people, only 30 don't want Midna in Smash in any forms, it's only 1/4 ! So ... 3 GameFaqs user on 4 want Midna in Smash, she really IS still a popular character haha
 

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Made this pool on GameFaqs yesterday, I'm really liking those results haha, on 120 people, only 30 don't want Midna in Smash in any forms, it's only 1/4 ! So ... 3 GameFaqs user on 4 want Midna in Smash, she really IS still a popular character haha
Cool to see she still has some appeal.

Also, I'd try to watch the double posts. If you have to, edit your previous post to add new information, wouldn't want you to get infractions.
 

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Cool to see she still has some appeal.

Also, I'd try to watch the double posts. If you have to, edit your previous post to add new information, wouldn't want you to get infractions.
It is really good to see confirmation that her support didn't die out ! Now it's my job to rally this community together, to let our voices be heard ! I'm soooo hyped about all of that now, we'll get our Twilight Princess in ! Sooner or later !

And yeah you're right, I'm sorry ! I should really look out for those, Edit should work instead, so I'll be sure to do that
 

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It is really good to see confirmation that her support didn't die out ! Now it's my job to rally this community together, to let our voices be heard ! I'm soooo hyped about all of that now, we'll get our Twilight Princess in ! Sooner or later !

And yeah you're right, I'm sorry ! I should really look out for those, Edit should work instead, so I'll be sure to do that
It's not really that her support has died out, it's that people are less vocal about it because she's an assist trophy. "Assist Trophies can't be promoted in the same game" is a fan rule but is one that hasn't yet been broken, and Smash fans don't really learn from past mistakes when you look at characters like Cloud, Ryu, and Ridley. As a result people shift their 'vocal' support to other characters, hence why Skull Kid had a huge resurgence of support during post-release development until his Assist Trophy was confirmed because Zelda fans are still waiting for their next unique fighter.
 

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It's not really that her support has died out, it's that people are less vocal about it because she's an assist trophy. "Assist Trophies can't be promoted in the same game" is a fan rule but is one that hasn't yet been broken, and Smash fans don't really learn from past mistakes when you look at characters like Cloud, Ryu, and Ridley. As a result people shift their 'vocal' support to other characters, hence why Skull Kid had a huge resurgence of support during post-release development until his Assist Trophy was confirmed because Zelda fans are still waiting for their next unique fighter.
Mhm, the thing is, even when you WANT to be vocal about an AT character, well ... You usually don't last long, because people love to remind you that "She won't happen" everytime you talk about her... So it's really difficult to support an AT character, that's why I'm glad that with the second wave going on, it give AT character a second chance, and allow fan bases to rise up again

And I do agree that Skull Kid kinda got where he is due to a "Last Man Standing" effect, where the Zelda fans had no one but him, so he got really popular suddenly thanks to that, that, and the "leak"
 

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It's not really that her support has died out, it's that people are less vocal about it because she's an assist trophy. "Assist Trophies can't be promoted in the same game" is a fan rule but is one that hasn't yet been broken, and Smash fans don't really learn from past mistakes when you look at characters like Cloud, Ryu, and Ridley. As a result people shift their 'vocal' support to other characters, hence why Skull Kid had a huge resurgence of support during post-release development until his Assist Trophy was confirmed because Zelda fans are still waiting for their next unique fighter.
Mhm, the thing is, even when you WANT to be vocal about an AT character, well ... You usually don't last long, because people love to remind you that "She won't happen" everytime you talk about her... So it's really difficult to support an AT character, that's why I'm glad that with the second wave going on, it give AT character a second chance, and allow fan bases to rise up again

And I do agree that Skull Kid kinda got where he is due to a "Last Man Standing" effect, where the Zelda fans had no one but him, so he got really popular suddenly thanks to that, that, and the "leak"

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Mhm, the thing is, even when you WANT to be vocal about an AT character, well ... You usually don't last long, because people love to remind you that "She won't happen" everytime you talk about her... So it's really difficult to support an AT character, that's why I'm glad that with the second wave going on, it give AT character a second chance, and allow fan bases to rise up again

And I do agree that Skull Kid kinda got where he is due to a "Last Man Standing" effect, where the Zelda fans had no one but him, so he got really popular suddenly thanks to that, that, and the "leak"
Seeing this Skull Kid talk made me remember the good ol' days when we were guessing him , Geno , and Isaac in the base roster.

The thing is , now , this can happen lol.
I think Banjo-Kazooie and the Sans costume were a reminder that Sakurai can get anyone and do whatever he wants.

So upgrading an AT shouldn't be a big problem for him , everything is on the table except non video game characters.

And yeah , I'm sad that people still see ATs as death sentence. A good case of this would be Shovel Knight , his fans completely gave up except for some very passionate ones.
I think the Smash community has an hard time realizing that speculating isn't always linked to "Character's chances" or likeliness , sometimes it's just about having fun.
 

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#29
Seeing this Skull Kid talk made me remember the good ol' days when we were guessing him , Geno , and Isaac in the base roster.

The thing is , now , this can happen lol.
I think Banjo-Kazooie and the Sans costume were a reminder that Sakurai can get anyone and do whatever he wants.

So upgrading an AT shouldn't be a big problem for him , everything is on the table except non video game characters.

And yeah , I'm sad that people still see ATs as death sentence. A good case of this would be Shovel Knight , his fans completely gave up except for some very passionate ones.
I think the Smash community has an hard time realizing that speculating isn't always linked to "Character's chances" or likeliness , sometimes it's just about having fun.
Indeed ! And that's why we're here today, to show that Assist Trophy or not, we're still supporting Midna in Smash ! That we're still a united fan base through it all ! Also ...

I just finished making a list of every apperance of Midna, both official and unofficial ! So here goes for everyone who want to take a look, have fun starring at the "Midna Timeline" !
19 November 2006 : Midna first apperance in "Twilight Princess"
31 January 2008 : Imp Midna appear both as a Trophy, and a sticker in "Super Smash Bros Brawl"
16 November 2008 : Fused Shadow appear as equipable Headgear in "Animal Crossing : City Folks"
8 November 2012 : Fused Shadow Re-appear as equipable Headgear in "Animal Crossing : New Leaf"
19 August 2013 : Imp Midna Follower Mod on "Skyrim"
14 August 2014 : Hyrule Warriors release to the Wii U, with Midna appearing in playable form, as well as in the main story of the game
13 September 2014 : Imp Midna appear as an Assist Trophy and a Regular Trophy in "Super Smash Bros For 3DS"
27 November 2014 : The Twilight Princess pack for Hyrule Warriors release, with "Twili Midna" making her appearance as playable
28 November 2014 : Imp Midna appear both as a Regular trophy alone, with Wolf Link, and as an Assist Trophy in "Super Smash Bros For Wii U"
27 December 2014 : Imp Midna Model for "GMod"
9 July 2015 : Imp Midna playable mod in "Don't Starve Together"
23 Februrary 2016 : Wolf Link and Midna were revealed as a playable Costume in "Super Mario Maker"
4 March 2016 : Release date of "Zelda Twilight Princess HD" the remake of Midna's titular game
4 March 2016 : Midna Badge on "Nintendo Badge Arcade"
24 March 2016 : "Hyrule Warriors Legends" release to the 3ds, an extensive port of Hyrule Warriors, with multiple added scenario, one of them featuring Twili Midna for the first time in the story
31 March 2016 : "Zelda Twilight Princess Picross" release, with it's main and only character being Midna
6 September 2016 : Twili Midna mod is released for GMod
25 November 2016 : "Animal Crossing : New Leaf" recieve Amiibo comptability with Midna's Amiibo, reference to her are thrown into the dialogue of the new "Wolf Link" Villager
3 March 2017 : A replica of the Twilight Mirror can be found in "Zelda : Breath of the Wild"
7 December 2017 : The Fused Shadow become an obtainable item in the second extension of "Zelda : Breath of the Wild"
2017 : Twili Midna Mod on "Super Smash Bros For"
22 January 2018 : Fused Shadow Mod for "A Hat in Time"
11 March 2018 : Playable Twili Midna in "Street Fighter V" Mod
18 May 2018 : Hyrule Warriors Definitive Editions release to the Switch, a final port of both versions of the game, Midna is featured on the box art
11 December 2018 : Twili Midna Custom character for "Soul Calibur 6"
7 December 2018 : Midna appear both as an upgradable Spirit, and an Assist Trophy in "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"
03 September 2019 : "Skyrim" Twili Midna Companion Mod
 

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#30
Seeing this Skull Kid talk made me remember the good ol' days when we were guessing him , Geno , and Isaac in the base roster.

The thing is , now , this can happen lol.
I think Banjo-Kazooie and the Sans costume were a reminder that Sakurai can get anyone and do whatever he wants.

So upgrading an AT shouldn't be a big problem for him , everything is on the table except non video game characters.

And yeah , I'm sad that people still see ATs as death sentence. A good case of this would be Shovel Knight , his fans completely gave up except for some very passionate ones.
I think the Smash community has an hard time realizing that speculating isn't always linked to "Character's chances" or likeliness , sometimes it's just about having fun.
Another reason shovel Knight support has died, methinks, is that a lot of fans are simply content as is to have him in the game at all as an assist tophy, considering how much of a stretch it was to have an Indie character in Smash at all! And an Assist Trophy is a lot more than a regular trophy or spirit. Even though it does seem futile to continue support since he's an assist trophy now.

His support may pick up a bit more seeing as the second wave was announced, and it's still up in the air how assist trophies will be handled.
 

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Another reason shovel Knight support has died, methinks, is that a lot of fans are simply content as is to have him in the game at all as an assist tophy, considering how much of a stretch it was to have an Indie character in Smash at all! And an Assist Trophy is a lot more than a regular trophy or spirit. Even though it does seem futile to continue support since he's an assist trophy now.

His support may pick up a bit more seeing as the second wave was announced, and it's still up in the air how assist trophies will be handled.
Yeah, I have to admit, I never really was for this mindset that being an AT is inherently a bad thing, you still get your favorite character in the game somehow! And that's awesome! But the problem is how the fan base treat them, I really think that just... If the fan base stopped bashing anyone that want an AT as playable, there would be significantly less person that would dislike AT as a whole

You can like the AT, yet want more, that's how I feel about Midna! I'm super happy about her AT, and I'm always really excited when I see her appearing on the battlefield, but it doesn't stop me from supporting her as playable hehe
In the end, my point is, Sakurai don't make AT a "kill list" for characters, but the fan base does by shusshing down all the person that sant them as playable

Huh, new thread & I've only just now realized it. Nevertheless, I'm here, & I'm still pro-Midna, so lemme on that support list!
Nice! Good to hear that! Any support is welcome here after all hehe, I'll add you right away!
 

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#34
Imp, Wolf rider or Twilight Princess, I'd be on board for Midna to return in any capacity.
Haha, you and me both ! I do have my preference, I think that Imp solo would be better for a cool moveset, but god, I would take any forms of my favorite character of all time ! Do you have a preference too even if you'll take all ? (Also I suppose I can add you to the supporter with that haha)

On a side note, Gardevoir also feature in my Most Wanteds ! So amazing choices of characters for Smash if I do say so myself hehe
 
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#35
I figured I'd post here, as I've mentioned I'm more of a Skull kid guy.

But I want both. We should get both. I see no reason why we can't have both.


As for Midna. I might be in the minority, but I don't want Wolf Link. I want Midna on her own. Using her own magic and powers. One thought I'd have is she'd have a meter, it's much harder to fill then most meters, but once it's full, she transforms into Twili Midna as a perma buff until the stock is depleted. She'd have the same basic moveset, but her hair attacks are replaced with the Twili Hands.

Final Smash is obvious. Fused Shadow transformation.
 
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#36
I figured I'd post here, as I've mentioned I'm more of a Skull kid guy.

But I want both. We should get both. I see no reason why we can't have both.


As for Midna. I might be in the minority, but I don't want Wolf Link. I want Midna on her own. Using her own magic and powers. One thought I'd have is she'd have a meter, it's much harder to fill then most meters, but once it's full, she transforms into Twili Midna as a perma buff until the stock is depleted. She'd have the same basic moveset, but her hair attacks are replaced with the Twili Hands.

Final Smash is obvious. Fused Shadow transformation.
That'd be an interesting way of having both Twili Midna and Fused Shadow.
 

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#37
I figured I'd post here, as I've mentioned I'm more of a Skull kid guy.

But I want both. We should get both. I see no reason why we can't have both.


As for Midna. I might be in the minority, but I don't want Wolf Link. I want Midna on her own. Using her own magic and powers. One thought I'd have is she'd have a meter, it's much harder to fill then most meters, but once it's full, she transforms into Twili Midna as a perma buff until the stock is depleted. She'd have the same basic moveset, but her hair attacks are replaced with the Twili Hands.

Final Smash is obvious. Fused Shadow transformation.
Oh wow! That's an interesting concept, I'm also in the part that want Midna on her own, because I feel like Wolf Link is just gonna weight her down, but... That's the first time I hear about this meter proposition! I love it!

I had someone else on my last stream of TP, that proposed an idea where she could change Form in Battle, and have different advantage from one form to another (Like Zelda/Sheik in the past for example), but this... Is really interesting, I love that concept a lot, it's really well thought out

Also, well, this thread have my own idea on how Solo Impdna would work in Smash, so you can check it out if you're interested hehe

(Side Note, you support more Skull Kid, but should I still add you to the supporter list?)
 
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#38
Oh wow! That's an interesting concept, I'm also in the part that want Midna on her own, because I feel like Wolf Link is just gonna weight her down, but... That's the first time I hear about this meter proposition! I love it!

I had someone else on my last stream of TP, that proposed an idea where she could change Form in Battle, and have different advantage from one form to another (Like Zelda/Sheik in the past for example), but this... Is really interesting, I love that concept a lot, it's really well thought out

Also, well, this thread have my own idea on how Solo Impdna would work in Smash, so you can check it out if you're interested hehe

(Side Note, you support more Skull Kid, but should I still add you to the supporter list?)
Absolutely add me to the support list.... Are you on the Skull Kid one? Do you want to be?
 

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#40
Found this video thought I'd share. Also serves as a nice reminder that no matter what happens we should be grateful for the effort that the Smash team has put into this game. We don't deserve Sakurai!
 
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