Mewtwo

[Shapechanger]

Mewtwo seemed like such an awesome character when I first unlocked him... and, for a time, he was. But then I got into competetive gameplay, and I got owned. I got owned long and hard. Then I picked up Samus and owned back.

Buff Mewtwo.

 

[rsc_390]

uh, that would make him a GOD....noob (no offense)
the strongest A.I. in the game is none other than....Ganondorf! *claps for no reason*
he isn't "smarter", only in your little world he is.
who agrees? not me
Mewtwo was one of the worst playable characters on melee, besides Y.link, jigglypuff, pichu, marth, luigi, sheik/zelda, ice climbers, and peach. so no to mewtwo.

end of discussion.

Please do not insult when it is you who lacks knowledge.

You, of all people on these boards, have no right to call anyone else here a noob.

 

[fabianmo]

Like said before
Almost everything bad about mew2 revolves around his stats
He needs more power and weight
Now for the attacks, I think his disable should be disabled
They should make it like a 2 grab, kinda like bowser, opening a whole lot of new combos

 

[Me14k]

I just don't get how the most powerful Pokemon to ever exsist, who could, in the games and movies, just look at someone and make their face melt off, come out as one of the worst characters in a fighting game? It just doesn't make sense. And he looks so cool, too.

M2 is lowest tier primarly because he is extremly complicated to use. Check out a video of taj...he is a beast with M2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k4JxzjKv24

Im not saying M2 is a good character, I suck with him, but it is where it should be in the tier list.

Considering M2 is very uncommonly used, I doubht he will make a comeback in brawl, unless if all melee comes back.

 

[Diddy Kong]

uh, that would make him a GOD....noob (no offense)
the strongest A.I. in the game is none other than....Ganondorf! *claps for no reason*
he isn't "smarter", only in your little world he is.
who agrees? not me
Mewtwo was one of the worst playable characters on melee, besides Y.link, jigglypuff, pichu, marth, luigi, sheik/zelda, ice climbers, and peach. so no to mewtwo.

end of discussion.

...

Mewtwo IS the worst character in Melee to your knowlegde. I think you've been told alot of times, but Tiers DO excist. There can't be complete balance in a fighting game, unless all characters are exactly the same.

SSBM is a game with ALOT of hidden tweaks, alot of combo's and it's very fast paced. Fighting CPU's and winning from them by throwing hammer heads at them isn't making you better. Learning (more) advanced techniques, mind games, SPEED and combo's do.

Check THIS page to learn about these advanced techniques.

Then check HERE to choose your new main character (but if you keep Yoshi that's fine to).

After choosing your main character, go HERE to learn more about the character, read guides about it or ask help.

Btw, if you plan on actually WINNING all the matches you play, you should take a look at the Tier List or the Characters Match Up Chart to see how well X character goes against Y character.

And then, after choosing your main, pratice around a little and discover a few combos... Go HERE and go to the region you live in and try to meet up with some people. Who knows, someone good and willing to help you out may live pretty close to you. Ofcoarse, it's the best way to find tournaments.

And ofcoarse you can ask for help, advice and other stuff in the Melee Room or the Video discussion boards if you post a vid of yourself fighting a friend or something. Another good way is to actually watch pro players fight each other. This way, you can easly become a pro Smasher yourself in around 3 months of good pratice.

Ohhh and for your knowlegde, the standard battles in SSBM go with 4 Stocks, 8 Minutes time limit, with random stages as Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Kirby 64 another one I forgot somehow and ofcoarse no items.

If you do this, and gain some common knowlegde as knowing as Marth is alot more populair, and important to the Fire Emblem franchise and that Dr.Mario is a goner you may come back here and discuss how a character should be changed, who's needs buffing, who needs nerfing and whatnot concering Melee.

But ofcoarse, if your not intressted in learning this fun, social and deep game... Well then you could better shut your mouth about how good CPU lv 7 Ganondorf is since really almost 99,99% of our community knows alot more about SSBM.

And you should realise I've only helped you cause for your kick arse avatar. Heheh kidding there, it's just that too many of you sort of people excist and I'd like to let you guys know how much deeper Smash is than Pikachu throwing Fire Flowers at Mario in a castle from the Legend of Zelda...

 

[EnFerris]

I do not want this game to referene the freaking movie. MEwtwo is badass enough in the games and, although his stats are lacking in Melee, I think he looks more badass on the rare occasions that he's kicking *** than any other Smasher.

Also, he's one of the few pokemon to genuinely stand apart from all others and be instantly recognizable. The only other ones are really Deoxys and Pikachu.

I don't know what should be done about his VB, but Confusion should have a random debilitating efect. Like judgement, without attaks. It could flip a character, reverse controls, teleport a character away, and (very rarely) flip the screen upside down.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Mewtwo's moves are actually pretty good, and I hope they don't change much about it except remove some lag here and there, more range, more overall knockback and damage to the moves and Mewtwo would be pretty much fixed...

But OFCOARSE we Mewtwo lovers want MOAR!!!11

Since Sakurai owes us something, a kick arse character who's named Mewtwo in SSB! To actually make Mewtwo one of the best character in the game, he needs:

#1 !!!MOAR WEIGHT!!!
Speaks for itself. Mewtwo is just as light as Young Link while he's bigger than C.Falcon, who's alot harder to kill vertically than Mewtwo, who just dies TOO fast vertically... His recovery is actually very good, but ofcoarse there's egdeguarding... >_>

#2 !!!MOAR POWAAR!!!
Wasn't Mewtwo suposed to be one of, if not THE strongest Pokémon around? Okay, I've stated before that Mewtwo's moves need more damaging and knockback... But yeah, it's worth saying it again! Mewtwo is just THAT cool! Especially his Smashes need mayor buffing. His current Smashes are just... bad! His FSmash is a slightly better version of Mario's, but even though it's easier to hit people with, it's STILL weaker! MOAR POWAAAAR!!!!!!!!!!11one11

#3 !!!MOAR PSYCHIC SHIZNIT!!!
"Mewtwo's mental powers are now yours to command." That's the message you got when you unlocked Mewtwo right? Well, aside from his crap >B and his throws I don't really think Mewtwo's metal powers are used to their full potential. What would be nice, is if they made his >B ranged, and would give you an instant grab! Ideal mindgame move and very much suits his character! Also, his Uthrow might be the best in the game, but it still doesn't kill many characters under the 110%, so they may power it up a little.

#4 !!!MOA-...wait that isn't right LESS LAG!!!
Yup, the second time I repeat myself... But who cares? Ofcoarse we have L canceling, and Mewtwo's Aerials don't have too much lag but his tilts and sucky Smashes do... His running speed is actually fine with me, but his lag needs to be cutted.

And then, Mewtwo would be REALLY fixed and would finally be the character we hoped he was from right the beginning we unlocked him.

 

[Micahc]

Wow Diddy Kong. That's exactly what Mewtwo needs IMO, you're now my hero.

 

[dguy6789]

I definitely want Mewtwo to be in Brawl. I would rather have his confirmation than any random third party character. If they keep his move set, make him heavier, but keep him floaty, it would be perfect.

The entire tier debate has become old. Play the character you want to play with and don't argue about it being better or worse than another. They all have advantages and weaknesses, some more than others.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

I definitely want Mewtwo to be in Brawl. I would rather have his confirmation than any random third party character. If they keep his move set, make him heavier, but keep him floaty, it would be perfect.

Keep his moveset?!

 

[Johnknight1]

Diddy Kong that almost perfect on wat Mewtwo needs....I believe him and every other character need to return (idk if u disagree about every character returning, but idc if u do), he a sweet character but needs a lot of new moves and tweaking...as does every character (y not tweak and redo characters as appose to removing them?). He simply needs to be worked on....and another thing y do ppl hate YLink? He my 2nd fav, and should stay and is great once you master him, and can be used in ways Link can't be (i no more ppl who like YLink more than any other character than almost any of character...they would be mad with his removal, as would I)!
Mewtwo, adn every1 else needs to be redone, redesigned, and remade to work to perfection to were there no uber powerful god of a character. I think we can all agree on that (it 1 thing if some1 as slow as Ganondorf does as much damage as he does, it another if the fastest character does that much damage, lol!). I would like to see BRAWL have every1 as equal as can be as compared to one guy owns, another guy sucks. I would also rather have YLink and all the other 25 (or 24) characters return only with the characters in the trailers so far, over having a bunch of 3rd party characters like Sonic destroy the game (no offence, I like Sonic, but the originals own (even Pichu)! Every1, including the new characters, deserve and need a lot of work, and no course, item, especially character shall be droppe! And they all should be freaking awsome, and have no rejected characters (even Pichu has its advatages (minimal, no offence) and deserves to return). And Mewtwo is easily one of the only Pokemon I find to be "cool" and definetally is 1 of the characters I have my eye on (and hope is in BRAWL, don't have him leave, he sweet!)!

 

[dguy6789]

Keep his moveset?!

There is nothing wrong with his moveset. It is simply very different from many other characters'. If you spam smash moves, you will die because they are slow. Whenever someone tries Mewtwo, they will begin sucking and not be any good. They will figure he is too terrible and is a waste of time just because they couldn't pick him up right away. His tilts are incredibly fast and they outrange the majority of melee moves in the game. Every one of his aerials have their uses. His fair is the fastest move in the entire game next to the shine. His grabs are the best in the game no contest. I could write an entire essay on the usefulness of his moves, but unfortunately, I do not have the time right now

Mewtwo is not low tier because of his moves. He is low tier because he is both big and light weight. This means he can be killed easily. Increase his weight and he will be just fine. I wouldn't mind too much if they did change his move set, but I am just saying it doesn't really matter either way to me. His stats are what need improving. Although, if I could change one thing, I would dramatically reduce the lag after coming out of a teleport.

 

[Micahc]

There is nothing wrong with his moveset. It is simply very different from many other characters'. If you spam smash moves, you will die because they are slow. Whenever someone tries Mewtwo, they will begin sucking and not be any good. They will figure he is too terrible and is a waste of time just because they couldn't pick him up right away. His tilts are incredibly fast and they outrange the majority of melee moves in the game. Every one of his aerials have their uses. His fair is the fastest move in the entire game next to the shine. His grabs are the best in the game no contest. I could write an entire essay on the usefulness of his moves, but unfortunately, I do not have the time right now

Mewtwo is not low tier because of his moves. He is low tier because he is both big and light weight. This means he can be killed easily. Increase his weight and he will be just fine. I wouldn't mind too much if they did change his move set, but I am just saying it doesn't really matter either way to me. His stats are what need improving. Although, if I could change one thing, I would dramatically reduce the lag after coming out of a teleport.

Frankly, I would remove nearly all the lag after most of his attacks. Except his fair and nair. Those are just frickin fast.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

There is nothing wrong with his moveset. It is simply very different from many other characters'. If you spam smash moves, you will die because they are slow. Whenever someone tries Mewtwo, they will begin sucking and not be any good. They will figure he is too terrible and is a waste of time just because they couldn't pick him up right away. His tilts are incredibly fast and they outrange the majority of melee moves in the game. Every one of his aerials have their uses. His fair is the fastest move in the entire game next to the shine. His grabs are the best in the game no contest. I could write an entire essay on the usefulness of his moves, but unfortunately, I do not have the time right now

Mewtwo is not low tier because of his moves. He is low tier because he is both big and light weight. This means he can be killed easily. Increase his weight and he will be just fine. I wouldn't mind too much if they did change his move set, but I am just saying it doesn't really matter either way to me. His stats are what need improving. Although, if I could change one thing, I would dramatically reduce the lag after coming out of a teleport.

Hmm... I suppose you're right. But the Teleport move needs to be adjusted, that's for sure.

 

[Johnknight1]

There is nothing wrong with his moveset. It is simply very different from many other characters'. If you spam smash moves, you will die because they are slow. Whenever someone tries Mewtwo, they will begin sucking and not be any good. They will figure he is too terrible and is a waste of time just because they couldn't pick him up right away. His tilts are incredibly fast and they outrange the majority of melee moves in the game. Every one of his aerials have their uses. His fair is the fastest move in the entire game next to the shine. His grabs are the best in the game no contest. I could write an entire essay on the usefulness of his moves, but unfortunately, I do not have the time right now

Mewtwo is not low tier because of his moves. He is low tier because he is both big and light weight. This means he can be killed easily. Increase his weight and he will be just fine. I wouldn't mind too much if they did change his move set, but I am just saying it doesn't really matter either way to me. His stats are what need improving. Although, if I could change one thing, I would dramatically reduce the lag after coming out of a teleport.

I agree his stats need improvemnet, but so do his air moves. I tend 2 b far more airborne than almost any1 I no (who is still good) . I say his air moves need improvements, and his b side (lots of improvement or new attack) and b down rn't the best (b down alirte actuallY), and his b up needs a little improvements at least. Other then air attacks and his b attacks, I agree with u...he is 1 of the way 2 light characters, mayb with YLink...he the #1 pokemon in power and is gone fast, and is basically a mid weight, if even that. He should b a character or two down of Link at least in the weight department. It somewat ironic how strong he is in pokemon, and how he needs tons of improvements just to make the BRAWL cut (keep him!)

 

[Hydde]

I was talking with a friend............ and we came to the conlcution that the programmers need to exploit mew2s psych to the fullest.. , not some crappy tries of magic.


His forward B, REAL PSYCHIK POWERS: What i suggest with this move... is an instant grab, like diddy suggest before. But, here comes the kick *** thingy. When u have someone grabbed, you can play with him in the air a little if u keep the B button pressed... and then u are able to toss him in any direction u want, the throw itself should not be too strong tho. If a missile is thrown at you, the same occurs, u can manipulate them nad throw them back at pleasure in any direction(think of grabbing and manipulating a heavy crate like if it was a pokeball).

His down B, well this can be easily any kind of magic attack or some kind or area explotion to aid mewtwo to clear the mess. Not so powerfull but able to set for comboes.

His grabs are ok, just the forward throw that needs some aim with the balls.

His tilts..... well i would suggest an improvement in knock back, drastically. His forward tilt have a kick *** distance but is so gay. the same with the others.

And since i am pumping a lot mewtwo, i would leave his weight as it is... or maybe a little heavier, because if his Bs are deadlier and his tilts are stronger... it would be just too much if he was unable to be killed.

suggestions?

 

[Zeela12]

I vote for Mewtwo = do not want, legendary pokemans are too overrated.

 

[Zant3tsuken]

Mewtwo has a fairly unique moveset and feel. A lot of effort must've gone into making him, and clearly not enough to balance him. To not put him in would be a waste of awesome character design.

 

[h2ownage]

Poor grammar aside, I'll focus on the thread at hand. No, I don't want Mewtwo in Brawl; she's too weak, and if they buff her up... well I just plain don't want her in. I love the Pokemon games but i never warmed to Mewtwo. If Mew was in she would be very cool, she could use Metronome as her Neutral B which could use any Neutral B in the game at random. That would be awesome.

 

[Kalypso]

His moveset is fine, spare down-b and over-b. Balance issues are not the same thing as a bad character concept.

 

[Master_Shadow_Link]

If they do bring mewtwo back i hope they leave in the red shell glitch! (You need him to do it for all of you that dont know).

 

[Hydde]

His moveset is fine, spare down-b and over-b. Balance issues are not the same thing as a bad character concept.

is not fine!!! He needs to overwelm enemies with cheer psyk power!!! and doesnt do that. Just his throws are proof of his powers.... the rest is not as good as let say falco´s spikes, marth fairs or fox´s up smash. Getting my point?.

He is pretty average in terms of power in comparison with the real bad *****,,,and he dies unconceivably fast!!

he is low tier for a reason.

 

[Espy Rose]

There is nothing wrong with his moveset. It is simply very different from many other characters'. If you spam smash moves, you will die because they are slow. Whenever someone tries Mewtwo, they will begin sucking and not be any good. They will figure he is too terrible and is a waste of time just because they couldn't pick him up right away. His tilts are incredibly fast and they outrange the majority of melee moves in the game. Every one of his aerials have their uses. His fair is the fastest move in the entire game next to the shine. His grabs are the best in the game no contest. I could write an entire essay on the usefulness of his moves, but unfortunately, I do not have the time right now

Mewtwo is not low tier because of his moves. He is low tier because he is both big and light weight. This means he can be killed easily. Increase his weight and he will be just fine. I wouldn't mind too much if they did change his move set, but I am just saying it doesn't really matter either way to me. His stats are what need improving. Although, if I could change one thing, I would dramatically reduce the lag after coming out of a teleport.

Dguy just won the thread.

 

[Cenedar]

Mewtwo's moves are actually pretty good, and I hope they don't change much about it except remove some lag here and there, more range, more overall knockback and damage to the moves and Mewtwo would be pretty much fixed...

But OFCOARSE we Mewtwo lovers want MOAR!!!11

Since Sakurai owes us something, a kick arse character who's named Mewtwo in SSB! To actually make Mewtwo one of the best character in the game, he needs:

#1 !!!MOAR WEIGHT!!!
Speaks for itself. Mewtwo is just as light as Young Link while he's bigger than C.Falcon, who's alot harder to kill vertically than Mewtwo, who just dies TOO fast vertically... His recovery is actually very good, but ofcoarse there's egdeguarding... >_>

#2 !!!MOAR POWAAR!!!
Wasn't Mewtwo suposed to be one of, if not THE strongest Pokémon around? Okay, I've stated before that Mewtwo's moves need more damaging and knockback... But yeah, it's worth saying it again! Mewtwo is just THAT cool! Especially his Smashes need mayor buffing. His current Smashes are just... bad! His FSmash is a slightly better version of Mario's, but even though it's easier to hit people with, it's STILL weaker! MOAR POWAAAAR!!!!!!!!!!11one11

#3 !!!MOAR PSYCHIC SHIZNIT!!!
"Mewtwo's mental powers are now yours to command." That's the message you got when you unlocked Mewtwo right? Well, aside from his crap >B and his throws I don't really think Mewtwo's metal powers are used to their full potential. What would be nice, is if they made his >B ranged, and would give you an instant grab! Ideal mindgame move and very much suits his character! Also, his Uthrow might be the best in the game, but it still doesn't kill many characters under the 110%, so they may power it up a little.

#4 !!!MOA-...wait that isn't right LESS LAG!!!
Yup, the second time I repeat myself... But who cares? Ofcoarse we have L canceling, and Mewtwo's Aerials don't have too much lag but his tilts and sucky Smashes do... His running speed is actually fine with me, but his lag needs to be cutted.

And then, Mewtwo would be REALLY fixed and would finally be the character we hoped he was from right the beginning we unlocked him.

Good on ya Diddy.

Given, Mewtwo will need a good buff in these departments, but I still want him back in Brawl. He is still one of my favorite characters and a Pokemon of his ability needs it represented in Brawl.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

After typing Mewtwo in search, and racking through pages and pages, I found this. I'm guessing this is The Official Mewtwo for Brawl thread then.

Anyhoo, back to the topic:

I think they could make Mewtwo truly awesome if they tried! I think they should get rid of his crappy A combo attack, and instead replace it with a move that makes his eyes glow blue, and the person infront of him is repeatedly hit by invisible hitboxes. It'll be no different that any other A attack, just you wont be able to see anything hitting you.

Also, make his Confusion mess up the opponents controls for about 5 seconds or until they get hit.

EDIT:

Mewtwo for Brawl!

 

[Micahc]

Poor grammar aside, I'll focus on the thread at hand. No, I don't want Mewtwo in Brawl; she's too weak So you want him out because he's weak? That's a stupid reason, Link and S(p)amus where weak in SSB, but they got balenced out in Melee, and if they buff her up... well I just plain don't want her in. I don't want sonic in, but chances are he will get in. If my opinions could change the game, there wouldn't be any FE characters in either because I never played the games. I love the Pokemon games but i never warmed to Mewtwo. If Mew was in she would be very cool, she could use Metronome as her Neutral B which could use any Neutral B in the game at random. That would be awesome. No, that would be lame.

This is by far the stupidest post I've read on this thread.

 

[the grim lizard]

"Her"??? Yeah, I agree.

M2 definitely need to come back. And I don't doubt that he will. I think there will be more M2 players this time around because Sakurai's intentionally doing more balancing, which I will definitely appreciate. We should see a more diversified spectrum of mains.

 

[wilderman2313]

shut up mewto sucks and so do all pokemen. Sora would be the best if he was in the game!!!

 

[Pluvia's other account]

shut up mewto sucks and so do all pokemen. Sora would be the best if he was in the game!!!

Well the easy way to not hear about Pokemon is:

Don't buy SSBB.

 

[Bassoonist]

shut up mewto sucks and so do all pokemen. Sora would be the best if he was in the game!!!

Oh yeah, great idea... Lets remove a unique character because one person doesn't like him. Wonderful idea, I must say.

Quit spamming about Sora as well... Seriously. You make everyone who actually supports Sora in the game look bad with your ridiculous posts.

 

[the grim lizard]

shut up mewto sucks and so do all pokemen. Sora would be the best if he was in the game!!!

lol...Naruto kid is back.

Hey guys, don't listen to this guy, for his wanted list for Brawl he had:
Naruto, Sora, Boogerman, these two cavemen dudes, and no Pokemon. Man...talk about setting yourself up for disappointment...

Plus, I'm pretty sure every single post he makes consists of: "No more Pokemon!!1one!! Sora would be great1!11two!!2"

 

[vesperview]

I always felt mewtwo to be like a mixture of all characters, it had a very monotonous hard to play moveset in my opinion.

 

[Circus]

shut up mewto sucks and so do all pokemen. Sora would be the best if he was in the game!!!

Ugh. Why do you talk?

You're giving Kingdom Hearts such a bad name.

 

[the grim lizard]

OK, boys...we got ourselves a new troll...

How is M2 like the other characters?? He had like one of the most unique movesets in Brawl. Um...hardly any melee attacks, while almost all others (other than maybe Zelda or Ness) had mostly physical attacks. Saying monotony is the reason to avoid M2 is a new one to me...Maybe because he was difficult to learn, but...monotonous?? I think you have some screws loose.

 

[dynamic_entry]

mewtwo taught me how to love again.

 

[DainBramaged]

there is no doubt in my mind Mewtwo will be in Brawl.....

I don't HOW many times I've posted on these boards on why he should be in.....but quick summary

-One of the origional first season pokemon, one that EVERYONE recognises (many, like me, stopped following pokemon )
- within the pokemon series, he is popular, prized as being legendary, "Uber", final boss appearances in pokemon Red/Blue, (& apparently mystery dungeon)
-incredibly unique, popular, stared in movies
-one of the more "badass" pokemon
-already appeared in melee....

and for any blunt, stupid "but he sux in melee" comments...

A great man once said " many retourning charcters will offer a new flavour this time around"

lol...Naruto kid is back.

Hey guys, don't listen to this guy, for his wanted list for Brawl he had:
Naruto, Sora, Boogerman, these two cavemen dudes, and no Pokemon. Man...talk about setting yourself up for disappointment...

Plus, I'm pretty sure every single post he makes consists of: "No more Pokemon!!1one!! Sora would be great1!11two!!2"

LoL.....Narutards never cease

 

[the grim lizard]

Hey, DainBramaged, Sakurai has actually said that multiple times; so he's definitely emphasizing it. He not only said this on the Bowser update, but during his statement that SamuraiPanda translated he said the same thing (right after he said not all characters will be returning)...

Anyway, he is definitely emphasizing the balance and how characters will play differently.

Here's the quote from the translation thread:

But, although you'll see characters from the last game, this time, on a significant scale [Yes, this is exact], they will be remade.

Also,

Sakurai says there were alot of submissions that they recieved, and he apoligizes for the many ideas that they can't implement. The only new info is this statement, "We will create this game with balance in mind."

 

[DainBramaged]

@ Grim

yeah, that's kinda what I was implying....never went through the trouble to get translation quotes though. Good Job

 

[dynamic_entry]

Mewtwo is my idol.

 

[Kentalish]

a quote from sandman how is mewtwo really NECESSARY to the franchise