brinboy789
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Its weaknesses.posting so some haters will stfu
He gets out of comboes earlier than most though and he won't be ind anger often ebcause of his safe moves.Cons
* Light Weight
instantaneous movement change though!* Slow aerial movement
Considering all those moves are typically used for combing not an issue at all.* Weak attacks in general
I disagree with this not having projectiles it not necessarily a con.* No projectiles
(taken out of t!Mmys guide)
Tornado has no lag upon landing.~all b moves when used cannot recover until you hit the ground.
All moves get weakened quickly if you spam them.~main moves, dsmash + tornado get weakened FAST
Dk, Diddy, Pikachu and G&W are arguably neutral.Bad matchups:
~ Dk
~ Diddy
~ Lucario
~ Pikachu
~ Game and watch
(not mentioning neutral
yes, MK has more good matchups then bad and more pros then cons BUT so did melee fox why didnt he get banned
posting so some haters will stfu
Cons
* Light Weight
The only thing that's 100% true...
* Slow aerial movement
...who cares?
* Weak attacks in general
I'd like to hear your definition of weak...
* No projectiles
Does he need them?
(taken out of t!Mmys guide)
also:
~all b moves when used cannot recover until you hit the ground.
All b moves can be used to recover
~main moves, dsmash + tornado get weakened FAST
No...not if you don't overuse them
Bad matchups:
~ Dk
60:40MK
~ Diddy
60:40 MK
~ Lucario
Even
~ Pikachu
100:0 MK
~ Game and watch
50:50
(not mentioning neutral
yes, MK has more good matchups then bad and more pros then cons BUT so did melee fox why didnt he get banned
only nubs say, MK bets banned
Along with your bad grammar you are also an idiot.light weight - earlier death. and dont say HE WONT GET HIT if ur gonna say that go to sonic forums plz
Double jump.no insentaneous movement change...atleast i dont think so
So are jabs.still its weak.
He has no need for one because all of his options allow him to get around the issue.uhhh yea no projectiles IS a con. how isnt it a con? and no MK himself isnt a projectile
They have very little lag which means you aren't punishing him easily unless you are within shield grab range.yea they have little lag upon landing but still they have to land, and are vulnerable in that time. and yes side b is screwed XP
move degradation shouldn't mean a thing then.most metaknights with a sense of pride dont spam tornado...
Explain because I already brought up the reasons in another topic and if needed will do so again.im not gonna explain why each and every one of those are bad matchups for MK but these are IMO. but i think we can all agree that at least DK has advantage agaisnt MK
"Pride" has no meaning in competitive fighting gamesmost metaknights with a sense of pride dont spam tornado..
well now that i think about it lucario might be 50:50 but MK definitely has disadvantaged against DKI disagree with all of them especially Lucario.
I've noticed that a majority of the time many of MK's supposedly bad matchups are usually because (and I watched the videos) are from rather unsafe gameplay.
Its why when I use MK I try to adopt some of marth's strategies and employ them for MK and it typically works so that the matchup is more 50:50 rather than 60:40.
edit: most MK users dont spam tornado 24/7. or even 12/7"Pride" has no meaning in competitive fighting games
-sigh- i specifically asked people NOT to say that hes too fast and light to hit. if ur gonna complain about that go on sonic forums. and no yea his recovery is good so what? so are kirby peach jiggs d3 and othersUmm DK 60:40 is not a fact lolol.
Everything you said is basically irrelevant. And he has no bad matchups except POSSIBLY Diddy.
Only con you said really is his lightweight which is almost canceled due to his speed and size making him difficult to hit.
And unless your hit kills theres a 99% chance hes recovering to the stage. Where as other chars can be hit too far to recover or can be put in positions where they can be gimped easily.
Mk doesnt have that problem.
his sword is actually short for a swordsman. about the same size s TL? outranged by link and marth and ike. and im pretty sure DK has pretty good priority...and even if he doesnt range + strength = more important. Mks attacks are disjointed but they are fast so all the hits come out at the same time so it can get punished if know actually knwo what you are doign instead of complainingDK's range extends his hurtbox so whileh e has range, he doesn't have more priority so he doesn't break MK's attacks.
having a sword as long as FD means little if a jab can stop it everytime.
Considering MK's are disjointed he isn't going to be in much danger even if DK starts to harass with tilts.
DK Bair is predictable you see his back to you while in the air, dash beneath him and Usmash.
Dude you need glasses.his sword is actually short for a swordsman. about the same size s TL? outranged by link and marth and ike. and im pretty sure DK has pretty good priority...and even if he doesnt range + strength = more important. Mks attacks are disjointed but they are fast so all the hits come out at the same time so it can get punished if know actually knwo what you are doign instead of complaining
i agree completely with this rewritten versionIts weaknesses.
He gets out of comboes earlier than most though and he won't be ind anger often ebcause of his safe moves.
yeah but goes flying easily due to light weight
instantaneous movement change though!
so.....
Considering all those moves are typically used for combing not an issue at all.
it is if your looking for a kill
I disagree with this not having projectiles it not necessarily a con.
not having a projectile is a con. when he goes against people with projectiles he has to approach and the approacher is at at a disadvantage
Tornado has no lag upon landing.
if your on the ground if not ur in a helpless state
^B is a glide canceled.
it move quickly enough and dodge the slash you can punish him
Down B has little lag upon recovering.
but you should know the general location of where he'll reappear (and you know he wont be reappear in the air because helpless state) and get ready to punish
Side B is screwed.
again if your not on the ground helpless state
Dk, Diddy, Pikachu and G&W are arguably neutral.
yeah arguably
Lucario is not a bad matchup period MK has an advantage.
You outrange all his safe moves, have faster kill moves and easier setups and you edgeguard like a mother.i dont know much about this match up so idk
Don't get **** with all those weaknesses
we'll try not to
agreed. and yes MK has advanteage over DK. and are yuo sure...? metaknight has range the same as marth? i dont think so...except for his fsmash adnd glide attack his range is relatively shorti agree completely with this rewritten version
you don't read very well.yeah but goes flying easily due to light weight
*points to Marth*so.....
He has extremely reliable kill moves so its not an issue when you need to get a kill.it is if your looking for a kill
Play Marth while you use Falco or Link.not having a projectile is a con. when he goes against people with projectiles he has to approach and the approacher is at at a disadvantage
Tornado should never be used beyond SH height to begin with.if your on the ground if not ur in a helpless state
You spot dodge the slash and you're going to eat a Dsmash. Again the best you can do is either break the slash (which can be gotten around) or shield grab him which can also be gotten around.it move quickly enough and dodge the slash you can punish him
To your right, to the left or in the middle.but you should know the general location of where he'll reappear (and you know he wont be reappear in the air because helpless state) and get ready to punish
You apparently cannot read.Side B is screwed.
again if your not on the ground helpless state
Whicjh probably means they are neutral.yeah arguably
Lucario is not a bad matchup period MK has an advantage.
Don't edit my posts and if you play safely you'll see all those weaknesses are non-existent.
No MK down B's offensively.
No MK side B's from far away .
No MK spams the tornado and Dsmash and no MK gets camped to death just because they are dealing with a laser.
@Brin: SAFE moves. As in moves like the Fair. Moves that MK can use without fear of being punished.
Marth outranges MK on all the unsafe moves, (Dtilt,Fsmash, Dsmash, Usmash, Uair) but not safe moves. (Ftilt, Dtilt, Fair, Bair)
And its Emblem Lord I have very good confidence in what he says.
down be has a **** load of lag and so does side b opon landing u idiot and light weight is a problem esp. when playing snake or DK and no projectile sucks *** to against spamers that u cant nado though like falco.(and who gives a **** about grammer)Its weaknesses.
He gets out of comboes earlier than most though and he won't be ind anger often ebcause of his safe moves.
instantaneous movement change though!
Considering all those moves are typically used for combing not an issue at all.
I disagree with this not having projectiles it not necessarily a con.
Tornado has no lag upon landing.
^B is a glide canceled.
Down B has little lag upon recovering.
Side B is screwed.
All moves get weakened quickly if you spam them.
Dk, Diddy, Pikachu and G&W are arguably neutral.
Lucario is not a bad matchup period MK has an advantage.
You outrange all his safe moves, have faster kill moves and easier setups and you edgeguard like a mother.
Don't jump into the **** and all those weaknesses (if they can be called that) are virtually non-existent.
Only when you land while attacking.down be has a **** load of lag
Never said it didn't so who is the idiot again?and so does side b opon landing u idiot
Grammar not grammer.and light weight is a problem esp. when playing snake or DK and no projectile sucks *** to against spamers that u cant nado though like falco.(and who gives a **** about grammer)
grammer doesnt matter TAHT muchOnly when you land while attacking.
Don't attack and the lag is much lesser.
Never said it didn't so who is the idiot again?
Read my posts before you jump on the bandwagon.
Grammar not grammer.
Spammers not spamers.
Tornado not nado.
Falco not falco.
It is especially not esp.
It is Snake not snake.
You not u.
Don't start a sentence with and.
Upon not opon.
There are a few more but I'll stop for now.
Don't have a projectile? Big deal you don't need one.
Stop tornado'ing as a means of approach and you'll be amazed to see MK has a lot of options for approaching safely.
Light weight isn't an issue, play safely and you will not get hit as often.
Just like the idea of don't get grabbed use your safe moves and then unleash your strongest attacks once you see it is safe.
Typical 08'er *shakes head*
Sonic is a midweight try again.for the last time, small weight is bad! an extreme example is sonic, whos very fast and small.
Again you are referencing to the Sonic boards why?if ur gonna complain about that go to sonic boards
Small and harder to hit and has good range to his attacks.*falcon punches the next person who says metaknight is too fast and cant be hit*
Woah no.what do you mean by instentanoues movement change. he can go right and then left immedietly? so can every char
How high up are you using your ^B and when? Where do you plan to land?metaknights best kill move = up b. dsmash quick but not that strong. fsmash = strong but noticeable startup lag. shuttle loop automatically goes into glide. yes i know you can glide cancel but you still are in a gliding state for a while.
if the opponent is already caught in the tornado you don't ahve to keep hitting B.if you actually want to use tornado to hit the opponent more then twice, ur gonna haveto rapidly tap b, which makes MK vulnerable to attacks while hes falling.
yes but at which point you can't take advantage of MK.spacing for the next one. thats all i can say. besides, you can also just walk away while hes gliding if ur that afraid of the no-lag glide attack
Thats pretty mcuh it, or getting onto the stage or ledge stalling.so d+b is a method of going on the ground safely. so?
I stated it was screwed and you agreed so why are you even mentioning it?side b is screwed as in it sux as in metaknights rarely use it except for vertical recoverys
I disagree, again play safely and DK can have a difficult time and once he takes intot he air all he has over MK is his Bair.as i said, matchups are IMO. DK definitely has advantage over MK though
You don't understand.and yes. metaknight has better unsafe moves then marth and marth has better "safe: moves then MK. ...............isnt that better for marth?
Mk has alot more pros since the majority of your cons are not really valid.and yes MK has more cons then pros but so does melee fox for the 4230483290th time. why didnt we ban fox?
Grammar not grammer.grammer doesnt matter TAHT much
Bad bad example./and yes for the last time no projectile IS a con! lets try and imagine samus without projectiles
*imagines*
*brainfreeze*
You notice Sheik charging up her needles but that doesn't mean you can punish her.down b still has lag when he appears even without the attack. its noticeable too
He is 6th.and yes light weight is an issue metaknight is like what 3rd lightest?
he is small, outranges the opponent and is faster than the great majority of character and plays very safely.easily sent away at low percents. and don't say anything that i told you not to say or else i might falcon punch you
even if u dont attack out of down b u still have a **** load of lag. i still cant belive u dont see his weakness i guess ull just be another nager about this and still get ***** by MK istead of finding a way to beat him(and this is a new profile jack *** the other one didnt like)Only when you land while attacking.
Don't attack and the lag is much lesser.
Never said it didn't so who is the idiot again?
Read my posts before you jump on the bandwagon.
Grammar not grammer.
Spammers not spamers.
Tornado not nado.
Falco not falco.
It is especially not esp.
It is Snake not snake.
You not u.
Don't start a sentence with and.
Upon not opon.
There are a few more but I'll stop for now.
Don't have a projectile? Big deal you don't need one.
Stop tornado'ing as a means of approach and you'll be amazed to see MK has a lot of options for approaching safely.
Light weight isn't an issue, play safely and you will not get hit as often.
Just like the idea of don't get grabbed use your safe moves and then unleash your strongest attacks once you see it is safe.
Typical 08'er *shakes head*
i love this kidMeta Knight has NO Infinite comboes (Dedede)
Meta Knight has NO chaingrabs (Falco, Mario, Pikachu, Dedede, Marth, others I can't be bothered to mention)
Meta Knight has NO Grab-release comboes (Marth, Yoshi, wonder who else)
Meta Knight has NO projectile (Crapton of characters)
Meta Knight cannot cancel projectiles with his sword.. swininging attacks, not counting Glide Attack and some others...
Meta Knight has NO 0-death comboes
Meta Knight has NO unescapeable comboes that aren't extremely %-dependant(Lucario, Kirby).
Meta Knight actually IS light.
Meta Knight has close to NONE good kill moves (Glide attack is the only one that comes to mind. Dsmash KOs most characters around 130% or more, unless you DI like down, in which case learn to DI.)
Yes, MetaKnight can gimp. Almost every character can gimp Falco in Melee. How do they get around that? DON'T GO NEAR THE EDGE OR JUMP OFF THE STAGE TO BE GIMPED. MK has no projectile so there's NO REASON for you to be at the edge.
And so on. MetaKnight doesn't have many spammable moves either. If they Dsmash you should be happy that they won't be able to kill you until 150%. If they spam Tornado you should be happy and use your character's best method to punish it. Dair works for most characters.
*Sighs*
Meta Knight is one of the few fair characters in the game with no chaingrabs or infinites or Projectile spam or camping or anything like that. The people I play against probably aren't that good and tornado spam or up B spam doesn't work against them. If you up B their shield, they can release it and run forward. They have ages and ages to punish you before you can glide attack.
Okay, so hes has little lag and fast moves? Annoying? Yeah guess so. Ban-worthy? Gimme a break.
You have less than Ike's Fair while taking advantage of IASA frames.even if u dont attack out of down b u still have a **** load of lag.
Proof or it didn't happen.i still cant belive u dont see his weakness
Where did this come from?i guess ull just be another nager about this and still get ***** by MK istead of finding a way to beat him
Proof please.(and this is a new profile jack *** the other one didnt like)
You forgot a period at the end.even if u dont attack out of down b u still have a **** load of lag. i still cant belive u dont see his weakness i guess ull just be another nager about this and still get ***** by MK istead of finding a way to beat him(and this is a new profile jack *** the other one didnt like)/
okay first off, do not whatever my name right out the entire thing or just say Shadow. Its rather rude.and uh shadow link somethign or whatever?
Again as I said his light weight is easily countered by his small size and his overall ability.NO PROJECTILES IS A CON AND SO IS LIGHT WEIGHT. GET OVER IT.
no he will not.i didnt read all of it but
obviously play safe and u will win. play safe and captain falcon will beat snake one day
Sonic is much much faster than MK, is taller, weighs more, has higher aerial speed.and im mentioning sonic boards because some people are saying thats hes too fast and small to hit. compare MK to sonic. yup.
Yea i think shadow link alrdy mentioned that, but its the safe moves is what hes comparing.(I think)oh and btw...metaknight has smaller range then marth. hate to break it to ya. well on most moves.
Well if I manage to even convince one or at least get them to take things into consideration it will be fine.Shadowlink, you should ... give up. As you see, you're better of ignoring these guys...you can't convince them anyways...
Slim (14%)arent all chars that are lightweight small sized?
Fox is [/qupte]
No he isn't dude.
Fox is average height.
Snake and ZSS are tall.
No because that is a massive skill gap.ok fine if you play smart with amazing skill and spacingamd mindgamez captain falcon will oneday beat snake
In short the Snake user would have to suck.
It is possible to win but the chances are so small its better off not bothering.
That are very very easily covered.because even though he didnt talk about the topic at hand he mentioned many of his weaknesses that i overlooked.
Falcon can't stop from being camped.and even if he can overcome some of his weaknesses, its the same with every freakin char. u just gotta learn how to overcome your weakness.
Sonic can't stop from having bad kill moves.
ike can't stop from being slow.
Ganondorf can't stop from being slow and camped.
The only legit weakness you provided was MK being light weight and that alone has somer pros.
Nope that isn't what makes him hard to hit.yea i know hes heavier but...like what 3x faster?
much harder to hit.
He is as tall as Mario.at LEAST 2x. and is relatively small. smaller them mario pretty sure. and even if same size as mario, you just cant overlook his speed.
yes Sonic is extremely fast but it doesn't matter because the reason he is hard to hit is well, many other things. ^_^
Fox is a fast character easily hit.
Speed is not the only factor though it is part of it.
Marth only outranges Marth on UNSAFE MOVES!
FSMASH, DSMASH,, UAIR, DAIR OUTRANGES MK BUT THEY ARE ALL UNSAFE!
Christ am I speaking another language.
@sprite: yes. El tested and explain that MK's safe moves are greater in range to Marth's. Unsafe moves like smashes Marth beats him out.
i've never benn so happy beforeHmm fine last post.
Whoa nowhere near as good as melee fox. Trust me if Brawl Mk met Melee Fox, I would place my bets on Fox.yea shadow i DO take things into consideration and i realize that MK is broken but hes not banworthy. not even close. hes just as good as melee fox. almost same reasons too.
About the subject fool.i've never benn so happy before
still, Mk isnt broken enough to ban. u even said it urself u wud place ur bets on melee fox, not MK. so if fox wasnt banned before, why MK now? the advantage MK has over other chars isnt THAT big.Whoa nowhere near as good as melee fox. Trust me if Brawl Mk met Melee Fox, I would place my bets on Fox.
About the subject fool.
Its been not benn.
Well if I manage to even convince one or at least get them to take things into consideration it will be fine.
Or if they fix their grammar.
Hmm fine last post.
Slim (14%)
Ice Climber
Pit
Lucas
Diddy Kong
Peach
Toon Link
Ness
Light-Weight (13%)
Zelda
Olimar
Sheik
Marth
Very Light-Weight (12%)
Zero Suit Samus
Kirby
Pikachu
Meta Knight
Fox
Falco
Squirtle
Lightest Characters (11% or less)
(11%) Mr. Game & Watch
( 9% ) Jigglypuff (Purin)
No
not true C.Falcon can beat a good snake look at Roy_R's Falcon he almost beat melee1's IC's and he's #1 in Texas idiot and who still gives a **** about grammar on the internet EVERYBODY(most everybody) are lazy on the net so they dont give a **** so STFU about grammar ****.(and if u have WiFi lets play intsead of wasting are time here)Fox is [/qupte]
No he isn't dude.
Fox is average height.
Snake and ZSS are tall.
No because that is a massive skill gap.
In short the Snake user would have to suck.
It is possible to win but the chances are so small its better off not bothering.
That are very very easily covered.
Falcon can't stop from being camped.
Sonic can't stop from having bad kill moves.
ike can't stop from being slow.
Ganondorf can't stop from being slow and camped.
The only legit weakness you provided was MK being light weight and that alone has somer pros.
Nope that isn't what makes him hard to hit.
He is as tall as Mario.
yes Sonic is extremely fast but it doesn't matter because the reason he is hard to hit is well, many other things. ^_^
Fox is a fast character easily hit.
Speed is not the only factor though it is part of it.
Marth only outranges Marth on UNSAFE MOVES!
FSMASH, DSMASH,, UAIR, DAIR OUTRANGES MK BUT THEY ARE ALL UNSAFE!
Christ am I speaking another language.
@sprite: yes. El tested and explain that MK's safe moves are greater in range to Marth's. Unsafe moves like smashes Marth beats him out.