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"Consensus"? The patch has been live for a few hours. There won't be any consensus for a while...Consensus so far is around 3rd-4th best, but we will have to see.
Consensus is the wrong word. "Vague opinion of like 10 people" is probably more accurate."Consensus"? The patch has been live for a few hours. There won't be any consensus for a while...
I'd speculate Ryu, Rosa, Pikachu, Lucario, and possibly Sonic. And a lot of 60:40-55:45 mus are now probably even.It's definitely a shame that grenade still sucks, lmao.
So if this patch does make Sheik no longer the best, what matchups do we lose now?
I'd say quite a few. Diddy, zss, fox, cloud, sonic probably. Pikachu too. Ryu. Most if no all the top tiers if you think about it.It's definitely a shame that grenade still sucks, lmao.
So if this patch does make Sheik no longer the best, what matchups do we lose now?
Ignore the defensive part because both the defensive and non-defensive parts got the same change.Guys, someone can explain me what was nerfed about fair hitbox? What means "Z defensive position"?
Ah ok. Thanks.Ignore the defensive part because both the defensive and non-defensive parts got the same change.
Z is referring to the Z-axis, in the context of 3D space: X, Y, and Z. Basically, fair has less range right now.
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Problem is needles to bouncing fish is obvious, if sheik is in that position then that is really her only option, she cant mixup into something else. As long as they know of the option then we have to be really tricky to ever land that. Soft nair to bf is the only other true bf kill combo, which requires a roll read or getup read and let's just say it is situational at best.I feel like sometimes people forget Sheik's edge guarding game and Bouncing Fish kill setups
I won't need luck. Got second at a weekly vs a ryu I lose to alot. Still lost but game 5, last hit last stock.I will be a horrible person and surrender of the character until new stuff is discovered.
By the way, I think she is around 7th at the game right now ...
I just... I was already don't liking playing her that much in this last month, but at least she was powerfull enough to keep me going.
I would love to discover something from UThrow or some stuff like that.
There's so many MU's that will become the meaning of stress.
I'm not so sad by the nerf, but about how it happened and where it happened.
Needles needed to go, and they're actually still pretty good.
Vanish nerf that we got before was kind of acceptable.
Needles + weight reduction was enough.
Lose the DThrow setup was stupid. And the DSmash buff.
I would (REALLY) rather never read about the DSmash buff.
I just will pretend it didn't happened, from everything they could do to damage control the nerf... DSmash...
I'm done. I wish GREAT luck for every single Sheik main.
I have 2 phases after any sizable nerf.I won't need luck. Got second at a weekly vs a ryu I lose to alot. Still lost but game 5, last hit last stock.
Smh to all who are dropping her because she's less stagnant. Brawl sheik was certainly better, but I'm going to continue taking her far. Now I can shut people up when I beat them. "Huh, I still won. What needs to be nerfed next?"
Who cares if she isn't the best anymore. Doesn't mean **** to me when I can still be a top player using her. Now I can be unique again.
Ofc I'll find data for her combos and make a thread for em. I've been an ambassador for this character too long to quit. 1.1.5 sheiks now have my full respect.
It just means you care way too much about what people think about you lolWell, I want to pick up sheik now that she is nerfed. Is that respectable? I have been wanting to play her for a looongg time but I couldn't bring myself to do it.
Well of course she was Meta Knight! 'Cause people used her a lot, and, uh, people use Meta Knight a lot, and, uh, she's good... and stuff.It just means you care way too much about what people think about you lol
If you waited this long to play her because she was a top tier then you missed her in her prime.
Unrelated, but it blows my mind that some people still think she is the best. Do you realize how much better than every other top tier she would have had to be for that to still be the case? Some people must have legitimately thought of her as a Brawl MK or Melee Fox.
What are you trying to say here? I didn't play her because there would be absolutely no point in playing her alongside Greninja because she could just be my main. I don't care about tiers, but I do care about matchups and whether doing something is pointless or not.It just means you care way too much about what people think about you lol
If you waited this long to play her because she was a top tier then you missed her in her prime.
Unrelated, but it blows my mind that some people still think she is the best. Do you realize how much better than every other top tier she would have had to be for that to still be the case? Some people must have legitimately thought of her as a Brawl MK or Melee Fox.
Bye Falisha.I will be a horrible person and surrender of the character until new stuff is discovered.
By the way, I think she is around 7th at the game right now ...
I just... I was already don't liking playing her that much in this last month, but at least she was powerfull enough to keep me going.
I would love to discover something from UThrow or some stuff like that.
There's so many MU's that will become the meaning of stress.
I'm not so sad by the nerf, but about how it happened and where it happened.
Needles needed to go, and they're actually still pretty good.
Vanish nerf that we got before was kind of acceptable.
Needles + weight reduction was enough.
Lose the DThrow setup was stupid. And the DSmash buff.
I would (REALLY) rather never read about the DSmash buff.
I just will pretend it didn't happened, from everything they could do to damage control the nerf... DSmash...
I'm done. I wish GREAT luck for every single Sheik main.
Uhh... Fthrow to BF is a 50/50 offstage, and Fthrow to Uair/Usmash is a 50/50 on the stage... And if your opponent DIs for Fthrow, a Bthrow BF will kill offstage.Imo, in a game with stupidly strong characters and rage, she will probably never secure the first stock. I personally think she will lose (hard) to every character she can't edgegaurd. Especially once word gets out that you can just sit in shield at high percents. I'd put her in high tier at best