I guess you could either believe in God, or you could believe that the universe just created itself somehow, and then monkeys came somehow, and then people turned out from those monkeys somehow. Honestly which one sound more crazy?
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Honestly?
Honestly, believing in and worshiping a supernatural figure no more credible than Santa Claus or the easter Bunny sounds crazier to an extraordinary extent.
And honestly, I see no pleasures from believing in such a thing. As an atheist, I couldn't be happier. You theists devote your lives and close-minded minds to something you cannot even prove exists. Your only "proof" is your own faith. I'll tell you right now: faith is not proof.
Honestly, believing in and worshiping a supernatural figure no more credible than Santa Claus or the easter Bunny sounds crazier to an extraordinary extent.
And honestly, I see no pleasures from believing in such a thing. As an atheist, I couldn't be happier. You theists devote your lives and close-minded minds to something you cannot even prove exists. Your only "proof" is your own faith. I'll tell you right now: faith is not proof.
Allow me to point something out.
The birth of our universe can never be explained. This is why people created religion in the first place: to create answers for the unanswerable. To explain the universe's formation, we'd have to travel back in time, but that is, of course, impossible.
I want to point this out as well:
If we theoretically did go to the birth of the universe, and we observed matter being created, how could we know what was creating it? I mean, "God" is supernatural, and cannot be seen. So what now? Even if we could witness the birth of the universe, we could not prove or disprove anything, really.
The birth of our universe can never be explained. This is why people created religion in the first place: to create answers for the unanswerable. To explain the universe's formation, we'd have to travel back in time, but that is, of course, impossible.
I want to point this out as well:
If we theoretically did go to the birth of the universe, and we observed matter being created, how could we know what was creating it? I mean, "God" is supernatural, and cannot be seen. So what now? Even if we could witness the birth of the universe, we could not prove or disprove anything, really.
I hate to spam, but I've got to say this as well.
If "God" is so omnipotent, why are must all of his actions be performed through man? Is he just too pathetic to do it himself?
If "God" is so omnipotent, why are must all of his actions be performed through man? Is he just too pathetic to do it himself?
Hey BBT :D
There's your homegrown American religious hate group. How about abortion clinic bombers?<hr></blockquote>
Really, I don't understand how Christians can actually say, "God told me to kill that abortionist." No He didn't. God doesn't tell anyone to blow up buildings with other innocent people in there.
But I don't like how these people do these things. They don't have the right to do so. Or to hate someone. One of Christ's main teachings was loving and forgiving, not murder and hate.
If we theoretically did go to the birth of the universe, and we observed matter being created, how could we know what was creating it? I mean, "God" is supernatural, and cannot be seen. So what now? Even if we could witness the birth of the universe, we could not prove or disprove anything, really.<hr></blockquote>
I guess only if you were deaf. I mean, God did speak these things into existance. And if they happened in the exact order and exact way it happened in the Bible, you saw a human being formed out of dust, that still wouldn't prove anything?
If "God" is so omnipotent, why are must all of his actions be performed through man? Is he just too pathetic to do it himself?<hr></blockquote>
Good question
God doesn't need any of our help since He is omnipotent. But, since He knows we're capable of doing some things, He allowed us, those who love and trust Him and want to do His will, will move that person into doing it. He wants people to trust and love Him more, and get into the action of what God does in everyday life, so that person could be closer to God, which God wants.
Why cant God just exist and non exist at the same time?<hr></blockquote>
Because it's either one or the other. You can't have both.
Why does it have to be either 100 degrees celsius or absolute zero, why cant it be all and none at the same time?<hr></blockquote>
It doesn't matter what we say, it matter what the weather says. If it's -100 degrees celcius, and someone says it's 200 degrees celsius, then the person who measured the weather is incorrect.
But I don't understand the point you're trying to make...
More to come later. Gotta go
Have a nice day!
Etched in a Box
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Ghastriph:
Yes, and all of those people were evil, especially the little babies that didn't even grow into the ways of the Egyptians yet. If we really were to follow the ways of God, then we should go kill all first-borns of our enemies.
BBT:
You are stereotyping Christians. There are millions upon millions of Christians that live and act in moderation that you haven't heard of because, guess what? They live and act in moderation; they aren't interesting enough for the news or whatever source from which you relayed your information.
Ben:
Do not automatically assume that because we are atheists, we were never introduced to Christ. On the contrary, it was too much of Christ that lowered my faith, in fact, I go to church every Sunday and just got back today. My mother read up on a place called Medjugorje, and almost immediately she became very religious. After reading up on Medjugorje myself, I came to the deduction that it was the fear of the apocalypse's imminence that converted her. Some way to gain faith, huh? More to the point, she now acts as if she were brainwashed. I catch her praying many times and she constantly relates things to God.
As for those who say there is no scientific fact that can disprove the Bible, that is untrue. These facts are all about you, you just fail to recognize them. Here are two about Noah.
Fact: Even the heaviest of rains could not cover the highest peaks, could not even come close.
Fact: Man came into existence about 10,000 years ago, yet Noah and the Ark occurred in the time of the supercontinent.
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Yes, and all of those people were evil, especially the little babies that didn't even grow into the ways of the Egyptians yet. If we really were to follow the ways of God, then we should go kill all first-borns of our enemies.
BBT:
You are stereotyping Christians. There are millions upon millions of Christians that live and act in moderation that you haven't heard of because, guess what? They live and act in moderation; they aren't interesting enough for the news or whatever source from which you relayed your information.
Ben:
Do not automatically assume that because we are atheists, we were never introduced to Christ. On the contrary, it was too much of Christ that lowered my faith, in fact, I go to church every Sunday and just got back today. My mother read up on a place called Medjugorje, and almost immediately she became very religious. After reading up on Medjugorje myself, I came to the deduction that it was the fear of the apocalypse's imminence that converted her. Some way to gain faith, huh? More to the point, she now acts as if she were brainwashed. I catch her praying many times and she constantly relates things to God.
As for those who say there is no scientific fact that can disprove the Bible, that is untrue. These facts are all about you, you just fail to recognize them. Here are two about Noah.
Fact: Even the heaviest of rains could not cover the highest peaks, could not even come close.
Fact: Man came into existence about 10,000 years ago, yet Noah and the Ark occurred in the time of the supercontinent.
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Mike Larkenson
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Have any of you even checked BBT's links?*Sigh*
My friend John's theory(though I don't believe in it myself):
For God, a day may be different than to us. It could be infinite or 1,000 of "our" days. This way, Creationism and Evolution can coincide in a some matter. For instance, from the time "God" made animals to humans, evolution could have occured. (According to him, all the animals fit except birds for some reason). Then, what did "God" do on the seventh day? He rested. Now why don't you think he's as active as he use to be? Because right now, its "his" "seventh" day. He's resting.
He also had some other stuff to back it up, but I'm just going to post his theory.
My friend John's theory(though I don't believe in it myself):
For God, a day may be different than to us. It could be infinite or 1,000 of "our" days. This way, Creationism and Evolution can coincide in a some matter. For instance, from the time "God" made animals to humans, evolution could have occured. (According to him, all the animals fit except birds for some reason). Then, what did "God" do on the seventh day? He rested. Now why don't you think he's as active as he use to be? Because right now, its "his" "seventh" day. He's resting.
He also had some other stuff to back it up, but I'm just going to post his theory.
Interesting, Mike, but I wouldn't put much trust in that. Yes, God did rest on the seventh day... but, that doesn't mean God rests and does literally nothing. God is, actually, at work every day.
God is at work in the hearts of those who accepted Jesus to make them as He sees fit, is working at guiding people to believe in Him, and a ton more.
I'll even post a verse about God doing something on the Sabbath (The day God rested).
God is at work in the hearts of those who accepted Jesus to make them as He sees fit, is working at guiding people to believe in Him, and a ton more.
I'll even post a verse about God doing something on the Sabbath (The day God rested).
Etched in a Box
Smash Journeyman
Ghastriph:
I know what your point was. I was just leading the discussion another way. The earth being 6.1 billion years old is no theory, that is a scientific fact. Or else they would not teach you that in textbooks.
I know what your point was. I was just leading the discussion another way. The earth being 6.1 billion years old is no theory, that is a scientific fact. Or else they would not teach you that in textbooks.
I'm not saying all Christians are evil people...Just the ones in the Christian Coalition. That group wants to turn our country into an authoritarian theocracy. Kinda like the Taliban, only Christian. Pat Robertson needs to be killed.
Did anybody here have the balls to check out <a href="http://www.freethought.freeservers.com?" target="_blank">www.freethought.freeservers.com?</a>
don't worry, Christians, it won't bite. I went to Ben's site with an open mind and perused it for a while. Try doing the same for me. I'd love to hear your reaction.
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Did anybody here have the balls to check out <a href="http://www.freethought.freeservers.com?" target="_blank">www.freethought.freeservers.com?</a>
don't worry, Christians, it won't bite. I went to Ben's site with an open mind and perused it for a while. Try doing the same for me. I'd love to hear your reaction.
-B
<a href="http://www.freethought.freeservers.com" target="_blank">www.freethought.freeservers.com</a> Gee, what a concept, I'm with BBT in wondering if any of you little chistians went to <a href="http://www.freethought.freeservers.com" target="_blank">www.freethought.freeservers.com</a> after we were nice enough to go to your little [entirely false that I had other chistrians that I showed it to laugh at it for a couple of hours] website. Please, please, go to it and try to prove it false with your bibles.
By the way, if it looks like I'm baiting you, No duh. Read between the lines. You will have a harder time proving this site wrong than we did proving your, whatever, site wrong. Seeing as your site was based on opinion and speculation.
Have fun, be well.
By the way, if it looks like I'm baiting you, No duh. Read between the lines. You will have a harder time proving this site wrong than we did proving your, whatever, site wrong. Seeing as your site was based on opinion and speculation.
Have fun, be well.
ChronoElemental
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people dont need books to prove someone like you wrong.anyway,im sick of arguing i dun wanna get into this...again can we please put this post to rest?! It has almost 300 posts!
Mike Larkenson
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Originally posted by Mike Larkenson:
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What he meant by resting is not taking literally. He meant "God" is not as active as he/she/it was in the days of the "bible".</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's as active as He ever was...
Oh, I checked into the site, and it was pretty big. I'll go over it on the weekend when I have more time
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Chrisputer
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OK. Sorry I'm so late in entering this debate but I can address several different issues here.
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Fact: Even the heaviest of rains could not cover the highest peaks, could not even come close.
Fact: Man came into existence about 10,000 years ago, yet Noah and the Ark occurred in the time of the supercontinent.
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Guess what. I agree with you totally on these 2 facts! However. Those 2 facts actually prove the credibility of the bible.
Look at this. (If you have a bible to find so called-flaws in). In Genisis 1:6 it says
And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to seperate water from water." 7. So God made the expanse and seperated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8. God called this expanse "sky" And it was evening and it was morning-the second day.
Now what that says is that there was water below and above the sky. In other words, there was a water barrier surrounding the earth.
Look at the HUGE cannyon in the middle of the atlantic oceaon. It's almost as if something just burst out of there. Perhaps water? That would explain how the earth would get misty in the morning.
I believe there WAS a super contenent both the bible and sciance prove that.
For the flood all that has to happen is for God to throw a meteor and have it hit earth. That would puncture the water barrier which would make it fall to earth as well as with either the meteors impact or with the added pressure on certain areas of the earth would make the inside part of earth break open which would make the inside part of water flood out which equals = World Wide flood.
After a while the water sedels into the ground and we are left with oceans everywhere. WHEW!
Ok I know that was pretty technical but you wanted to be met on your own terms.
Could you post somemore scientific facts/Bible contridecteries? I'd love to see some stuff to disprove scientificly. Nyway. Gatta get some sleep! Cya Later!
This debate thing is fun! and I get to convince people about God! Oh what fun!
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Fact: Even the heaviest of rains could not cover the highest peaks, could not even come close.
Fact: Man came into existence about 10,000 years ago, yet Noah and the Ark occurred in the time of the supercontinent.
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Guess what. I agree with you totally on these 2 facts! However. Those 2 facts actually prove the credibility of the bible.
Look at this. (If you have a bible to find so called-flaws in). In Genisis 1:6 it says
And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to seperate water from water." 7. So God made the expanse and seperated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8. God called this expanse "sky" And it was evening and it was morning-the second day.
Now what that says is that there was water below and above the sky. In other words, there was a water barrier surrounding the earth.
Look at the HUGE cannyon in the middle of the atlantic oceaon. It's almost as if something just burst out of there. Perhaps water? That would explain how the earth would get misty in the morning.
I believe there WAS a super contenent both the bible and sciance prove that.
For the flood all that has to happen is for God to throw a meteor and have it hit earth. That would puncture the water barrier which would make it fall to earth as well as with either the meteors impact or with the added pressure on certain areas of the earth would make the inside part of earth break open which would make the inside part of water flood out which equals = World Wide flood.
After a while the water sedels into the ground and we are left with oceans everywhere. WHEW!
Ok I know that was pretty technical but you wanted to be met on your own terms.
Could you post somemore scientific facts/Bible contridecteries? I'd love to see some stuff to disprove scientificly. Nyway. Gatta get some sleep! Cya Later!
This debate thing is fun! and I get to convince people about God! Oh what fun!
Yikes. Just, yikes.
I didn't read all 9 pages of this, so bear with me if I double up on somebody.
I'm an athiest, of 4 years. I have realized that God and Jesus are the last of the two mythologies, and (hopefully) someday people will replace this 2000 year old superstition with something clean and good.
I spent 14 years as a Roman Catholic, then two training to be a priest in that same religion. After that a really horrible year being mind controlled. (AKA a Baptist) And finally, a year of real confusion studying every religion I could get my hands on.
You know what happens when you study every religion that you can find out about- from an objective viewpoint? You find out that they are all, equally, a lie.
The curse of man is intelligence, and the curse he has created for himself is religion. The salvation of man is intelligence, and the salvation he has created for himself is science.
And I just fear this entire discussion happening on a Smash Bros. Board.
Fear fear fear.
BTW, I think Master Hand is Jehova. Who else would pluck a bunch of people from their world, pit them against each other, and then try to beat the crap out of them Himself, all for His own amusement?
Think about it, won't you?
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I didn't read all 9 pages of this, so bear with me if I double up on somebody.
I'm an athiest, of 4 years. I have realized that God and Jesus are the last of the two mythologies, and (hopefully) someday people will replace this 2000 year old superstition with something clean and good.
I spent 14 years as a Roman Catholic, then two training to be a priest in that same religion. After that a really horrible year being mind controlled. (AKA a Baptist) And finally, a year of real confusion studying every religion I could get my hands on.
You know what happens when you study every religion that you can find out about- from an objective viewpoint? You find out that they are all, equally, a lie.
The curse of man is intelligence, and the curse he has created for himself is religion. The salvation of man is intelligence, and the salvation he has created for himself is science.
And I just fear this entire discussion happening on a Smash Bros. Board.
Fear fear fear.
BTW, I think Master Hand is Jehova. Who else would pluck a bunch of people from their world, pit them against each other, and then try to beat the crap out of them Himself, all for His own amusement?
Think about it, won't you?
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Chrisputer
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If "God" is so omnipotent, why are must all of his actions be performed through man? Is he just too pathetic to do it himself?
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God doesn't have to work through man and in fact many times he works outside man. When he created man he wanted to show man the wonders of the universe so that our jaws would drop to the floor and we would worship him but that would be to easy. He needed something so that we could prove that we loved him. So he gave us a choice between right and wrong. Unfortunently we chose wrong. But he still loved us and gave us chance after chance after chance. Every time we failed because of our naturall sin habit. So he sent us his son to die for us to take away our natuaral sin habit so that we could expereince fellowship with God and he could show us the wonders of the universe so that we would worship him.
If you didn't quite get that let me say it this way. God wanted us to prove our love for him with our free will other than show his face and make it way to easy. He wants us to prove to him that we love him.
OK! That was a mouthfull. I hope I made it clear enough.
If "God" is so omnipotent, why are must all of his actions be performed through man? Is he just too pathetic to do it himself?
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God doesn't have to work through man and in fact many times he works outside man. When he created man he wanted to show man the wonders of the universe so that our jaws would drop to the floor and we would worship him but that would be to easy. He needed something so that we could prove that we loved him. So he gave us a choice between right and wrong. Unfortunently we chose wrong. But he still loved us and gave us chance after chance after chance. Every time we failed because of our naturall sin habit. So he sent us his son to die for us to take away our natuaral sin habit so that we could expereince fellowship with God and he could show us the wonders of the universe so that we would worship him.
If you didn't quite get that let me say it this way. God wanted us to prove our love for him with our free will other than show his face and make it way to easy. He wants us to prove to him that we love him.
OK! That was a mouthfull. I hope I made it clear enough.
Chrisputer
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That is just the thing.....I DON'T NEED PROOF. I have faith, and i believe...if anybody here is close-minded, it's you Cronos.
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That's true we don't need proof that God created the universe. But it's there in case our faith gets week.
Sorry if i'm making you mad chronos but i'm i'm on a roll and having so much FUN!!!!
That is just the thing.....I DON'T NEED PROOF. I have faith, and i believe...if anybody here is close-minded, it's you Cronos.
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That's true we don't need proof that God created the universe. But it's there in case our faith gets week.
Sorry if i'm making you mad chronos but i'm i'm on a roll and having so much FUN!!!!
Chrisputer
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That is just the thing.....I DON'T NEED PROOF. I have faith, and i believe...if anybody here is close-minded, it's you Cronos.
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That's true we don't need proof that God created the universe. But it's there in case our faith gets week.
Sorry if i'm making you mad chronos but i'm i'm on a roll and having so much FUN!!!!
That is just the thing.....I DON'T NEED PROOF. I have faith, and i believe...if anybody here is close-minded, it's you Cronos.
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That's true we don't need proof that God created the universe. But it's there in case our faith gets week.
Sorry if i'm making you mad chronos but i'm i'm on a roll and having so much FUN!!!!
I heard this logic trap somewhere, I wish I could remember where. It was a bit bigger and more fleshed out too, so just bear with it:
Given - The Christian God is Omnipotent. That means that He is ALL POWERFUL. Therefore, to prove ANYTHING that God cannot do, disproves God.
Therefore, I ask this:
Can God create a rock that He cannot break?
If he can create a rock that he cannot break, then he cannot break a rock. Therefore there is something He cannot do, therefore He is not ALL POWERFUL, ergo he does not exist.
If He cannot create a rock then there is something He cannot do, therefore... etc. etc.
I've always liked that one, it's simple, it's compact, and it proves the point.
And what the HFIL happened to the table? Don't post long lines of dashes! Sheesh. I hate scrolling sideways to read stuff.
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BTW, I loved the freethought site. Very nice.
"Blind Faith is the same as Gullibility."
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Given - The Christian God is Omnipotent. That means that He is ALL POWERFUL. Therefore, to prove ANYTHING that God cannot do, disproves God.
Therefore, I ask this:
Can God create a rock that He cannot break?
If he can create a rock that he cannot break, then he cannot break a rock. Therefore there is something He cannot do, therefore He is not ALL POWERFUL, ergo he does not exist.
If He cannot create a rock then there is something He cannot do, therefore... etc. etc.
I've always liked that one, it's simple, it's compact, and it proves the point.
And what the HFIL happened to the table? Don't post long lines of dashes! Sheesh. I hate scrolling sideways to read stuff.
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Novowels
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BTW, I loved the freethought site. Very nice.
"Blind Faith is the same as Gullibility."
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Originally posted by Novowels:
<strong>Therefore, I ask this:
Can God create a rock that He cannot break?
If he can create a rock that he cannot break, then he cannot break a rock. Therefore there is something He cannot do, therefore He is not ALL POWERFUL, ergo he does not exist.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nov, that's like the question: Can He create a rock so big that he can't lift it? Yes, seeing as He is omnipotent, Hee can create a rock, no matter what size, and still lift it with ease. Same with an unbreakable rock. Nothing is too hard for Him.
Chris, glad you're having fun
Chrisputer
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These are just a few things to think over.
Doesn't evolution violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
If there was a big bang, Doesn't the fact that the galaxys and planets are spinning in different dirrection violate the law of centrifical force?
If our earth is slowing down ever so slowly, And we went back into time to see how fast it was spinning 1 billion-gazzilion years ago, wouldn't it be spinning to fast to have anything on it?
If our earth's magnetic field decreases by 5% every decade, wouldn't the magnetic field be strong enough billions of years ago to just simply attact every single asteroid around which would smash the earth to pieces?
If the moon is slowly losing it's orbit from earth, and we traced it back 20 bazzilion years, it would have started from earth. Now in order for that to happen something has to hit earth so that a huge chunk of earth would go flying away. It would have to get far enough away from earth to defy gravity but stay close enough to keep it's orbit, which is in a sense, impossible.
Have any answers for those? I'd love to hear them!
This is fun :D
Doesn't evolution violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
If there was a big bang, Doesn't the fact that the galaxys and planets are spinning in different dirrection violate the law of centrifical force?
If our earth is slowing down ever so slowly, And we went back into time to see how fast it was spinning 1 billion-gazzilion years ago, wouldn't it be spinning to fast to have anything on it?
If our earth's magnetic field decreases by 5% every decade, wouldn't the magnetic field be strong enough billions of years ago to just simply attact every single asteroid around which would smash the earth to pieces?
If the moon is slowly losing it's orbit from earth, and we traced it back 20 bazzilion years, it would have started from earth. Now in order for that to happen something has to hit earth so that a huge chunk of earth would go flying away. It would have to get far enough away from earth to defy gravity but stay close enough to keep it's orbit, which is in a sense, impossible.
Have any answers for those?
I'd love to hear them!This is fun :D
Chrisputer
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OK I have yet to see some hard scientific facts that disproves christianity. Just give me one! Doen't play phycoligy games and try to syke (is that how you spell it?) out. Give me some hard scientific facts that disproves Christianity. Wake up Chrono! Oh what fun
Oh what funChrisputer
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I wonder if it's a coencedence that almost as soon as I start to answer questions everyone shuts up... Or have they? Ohhhhh Spooky
Chrisputer
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OK I have yet to see some hard scientific facts that disproves christianity. Just give me one! Doen't play phycoligy games and try to syke (is that how you spell it?) out. Give me some hard scientific facts that disproves Christianity. Wake up Chrono! Oh what fun
Oh what funPorCorpWis
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I'd just like to note that religion is wrong and arguing about it is wrong. The only right thing to do is stop wasting your voice on deaf ears and live your respective lifes. Wether you chose to inhibit yourself with a fairy tail religion is your own choice. Personally I would rather chose to play Smash Bros. Melee than argue about this.
P.S. My quote is meant to be funny, and I don't mean for it to signify that I belive in the bible. In fact I am an athiest.
P.S. My quote is meant to be funny, and I don't mean for it to signify that I belive in the bible. In fact I am an athiest.
Etched in a Box
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Chrisputer, I do believe that much of the earth was covered with water at one point, and I agree with the reason you gave. However, the Bible tells nothing of water coming from canyons, all it says was that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. And you must have skimmed through my second fact because I don't care if you believe there was a supercontinent or not, I'm just saying that Noah existed way before the first records of man. Well, since you so easily disproved my evidence 
, just go to BumbleBeeTuna's website and see how much of that you can disprove.
, just go to BumbleBeeTuna's website and see how much of that you can disprove.I don't think Chris meant canyons as in canyons. I think he meant underground water. The Bible is pretty knowledgeable of this,
...on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth...<hr></blockquote>
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...the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed...<hr></blockquote>
And we do know that water is under the earth. I don't remember the name of it, but there is.
The Bible also says the earth is a sphere.
Isaiah 40:22 - It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,<hr></blockquote>
In Hebrew, the word "circle" means "sphere." So, some people, even around atleast four thousand years back, have believe the earth was a sphere, and not flat.
Isaiah, also, is speaking of God, who sits in heaven. Since heaven is above the earth, well, you know
Edit: Sorry, messed up on the quote tags =/
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Etched in a Box
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Originally posted by Chrisputer:
<strong>These are just a few things to think over.
Doesn't evolution violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
If there was a big bang, Doesn't the fact that the galaxys and planets are spinning in different dirrection violate the law of centrifical force?
If our earth is slowing down ever so slowly, And we went back into time to see how fast it was spinning 1 billion-gazzilion years ago, wouldn't it be spinning to fast to have anything on it?
If our earth's magnetic field decreases by 5% every decade, wouldn't the magnetic field be strong enough billions of years ago to just simply attact every single asteroid around which would smash the earth to pieces?
If the moon is slowly losing it's orbit from earth, and we traced it back 20 bazzilion years, it would have started from earth. Now in order for that to happen something has to hit earth so that a huge chunk of earth would go flying away. It would have to get far enough away from earth to defy gravity but stay close enough to keep it's orbit, which is in a sense, impossible.
Have any answers for those?
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This is ridiculous, that's what it is. You are skewing facts and showing that you are making assumptions without looking further into the subject. For evolution and the 2nd law of thermodynamics, check this <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html" target="_blank">url</a>. Now as for your 2nd reason, you must not really believe in centrifical force because that is what disproves your 3rd reason. Centrifical force is what holds things to the earth, and you also are believing that the earth slowing down is a constant decay model. Same goes for your 4th reason, and also the magnetic field is not as strong as you think it is, or else the moon right now would be coming straight for us. And once again we get lead into the next reason. What do you think satellites are? They do not achieve 100% efficiency as that is impossible, but they come so close to escape velocity that the amount they come closer to the earth is minimal, negligible even.
Now if one were to believe these five reasons, only the first two are relevant to the subject matter.
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