Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Rockin]

I hope for everyone's sake, they fully understand the rules that I've laid out on the front of the page (best check with it, as I may have updated it). I hold little sympathy for modkilling/replacing people.

I'm gonna start the game in about an hour. If you all have any questions, please let me know

 

[Rockin]

It was the year 2185. The SSV Normandy blasted off from Citidal after restocking on supplies. Commander Shepard (Male) was in the engine room, checking on the status of the Core. Tali explained that everything was in working order. Before Shepard rode back up on the elevator, Richard, one of the engineers, rode on the elevator with him. Just as they rode upward to the bridge, Richard pulled a knife on Shepard! Thankfully, the Commander was able to react quickly so as to subdue him. The bridge members were shocked to see Richard on the floor. But as it turns out, finding a precular camoflage machine, 'Richard' isn't what he turned out to me

Lowly pirate scum (NPC) was killed by Commander Shepard (LIKE A BOSS)

The bridge wondered how the hell he got on the Normandy. His response was mostly the contraption, and told them not worry for he's sure it's just a lowly pirate.

Only he knew the real story behind this....


BSP is the new Commander toDay. Treat your superior with respect!


Deadline for this is Nov. 1st

 

[Handorin]

First post. Check ya guys later. I'm at the sears tower.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I won't expect activity this weekend and I had a couple of things I wanted to respond to with Bardull but I believe my concerns have dissipated as time passed. Apologies for posting like that to the mod, I should have read the rules more carefully.

 

[BSP]

Alright, King for D1.

I have no problems with this idea for the most part:

Actually, the first thing I'll do is set up standard mafia rules within the game itself. I'll execute anyone who reaches a "majority vote", and I will act as a "sub-mod" by keeping up vote counts within the game. Everyone is free to vote for whoever they want, even for me,...

Ultimately, I have the final say in what happens, but for all intents and purposes, treat this Day like a normal game's D1, including voting. I'll keep track of them.

 

[Dabuz]

Ok. Vote: Handorin

Never trust doctor doom.

 

[BarDulL]

Cool beans.

Dabuz, you call that an RVS vote? I'll show YOU an RVS vote.

Vote: Dabuz

 

[BSP]

Soup's argument of credibility is of merit, however those with more credibility may be scum, so that's the obvious coin toss. Also, you seem to be contradicting your earlier statement regarding wanting someone who's easier to read, but not as good at holding a gun as say myself or more credible players.

Can you explain the underlined to me? How exactly was Soup contradicting himself? I'm not seeing it.

 

[BSP]

I won't expect activity this weekend and I had a couple of things I wanted to respond to with Bardull but I believe my concerns have dissipated as time passed. Apologies for posting like that to the mod, I should have read the rules more carefully.

If you don't mind, can you tell us exactly what your concerns were and how you changed your mind? I think you should still put your thoughts forth even if you changed your mind.

 

[BSP]

I also want everyone to give me an opinion of how they think I should run this day. What I should and shouldn't do. Do you think running it like a standard D1 is good or bad? Or are you indifferent?

I'm pretty confident in running toDay like a standard day, but it never hurts to get more ideas on the table.

 

[BarDulL]

He says earlier that he wants someone easy to read, i.e. you, on the grounds of skill (presumably, you're much more likely to give yourself away in terms of alignment). He doesn't want someone who is skilled running about with the crown. I say I want to be King, he asks why, I say I'll secure victory for Town, he says there are players here who have done that and whom can do it better, but this is a bad counterargument because him asserting that I shouldn't be king on the grounds that there are more skilled played is contradictory of the fact that he did not want highly skilled players playing with king in the first place.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What I should and shouldn't do.

That is not something you should have to concern yourself with - you are the king, not a tool. You're the one who makes the ultimate decision toDay, therefore you are not bound to anybody else's judgement. The question of what one "should" do and what one "should not" do has no relevance to you whatsoever right now.

 

[Dabuz]

I'm fine with the king running things however he wants. BSP, if you want to run toDay like a standard D1, go ahead. If you don't want to, I'm also fine with that.

 

[Omni]

Why are you okay with that, Dabuz?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Or you're taking what I said with too much interest. I only made a counter-argument against you, and I've said this before.

If you don't mind, can you tell us exactly what your concerns were and how you changed your mind? I think you should still put your thoughts forth even if you changed your mind.

I was concerned with the fact of him wanting a gun and coming in so abrasively demanding one in the first place. He never responded clearly to what I asked him and I still don't really like this slot if you want an honest answer. I'm dropping it however because the idea in itself is fodder.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: Omni

 

[BarDulL]

He says earlier that he wants someone easy to read, i.e. you, because presumably, you're much more likely to give yourself away in terms of alignment since you're not ub3r amazing. He says he doesn't want someone who is highly skilled running about with the crown because that could be bad news bears for discussion. I say I want to be King, he asks why, I say I'll secure victory for Town, he says there are players here who have done that and whom can do it better, but this is a bad counterargument because him asserting that I shouldn't be king on the grounds that there are more skilled players is contradictory of the fact that he did not want highly skilled players playing with the crown in the first place.

Edited this post so it makes more sense.

 

[BarDulL]

Or you're taking what I said with too much interest. I only made a counter-argument against you, and I've said this before.



I was concerned with the fact of him wanting a gun and coming in so abrasively demanding one in the first place. He never responded clearly to what I asked him and I still don't really like this slot if you want an honest answer. I'm dropping it however because the idea in itself is fodder.

Uh, yeah, you made a counter argument against me, and it was a terrible counter argument. Saying I shouldn't be King because there are more highly skilled players in the mix is dumb considering you didn't want highly skilled players running with the crown in the first place.

I don't like how you're saying I "came in so abrasively demanding a gun" when this statement itself isn't an implication of anything. It's the same thing with what you said earlier about how I was...eh, I'll look it up in a second.

What DON'T you like about my slot? Do you think I'm scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's not what I asked. I asked you why you want a gun and the only thing you can conclude is that I doubt you. I have every reason to doubt you and you're not doing a good job of proving me wrong. Reasons you're unfamiliar with? Like what? What do you even mean?

Respond to this, you're only telling me that I don't want you to have a gun because I doubt you, and using my argument against me trying to imply I contradicted myself. I didn't do any of the sort and only made your point useless about wanting one.

I've made what I don't like clear? Did my conversation with you just go across your head or something?

 

[Rockin]

Edited this post so it makes more sense.

Bardul, just because you edited your quote within a new post doesn't make it okay to edit at all.

Don't do that again. >:C

TO EVERYONE: This also goes for posts before the game started. Leave them be as if they were apart of the game.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I also want everyone to give me an opinion of how they think I should run this day. What I should and shouldn't do. Do you think running it like a standard D1 is good or bad? Or are you indifferent?

I'm pretty confident in running toDay like a standard day, but it never hurts to get more ideas on the table.

Throw your weight around. Pressure inactives. Don't just follow the majority. Take advantage of the power you have in order to try and find scum.

By all means, things like votecounts and waggons will still likely be useful. But don't feel bound by them. There's a different set of rules in place, so you work within those to find scum.

Also you should probably clear your decision to execute someone with 2/3 of your townreads before you do it. But that's common sense. With great power, etc...

That is not something you should have to concern yourself with - you are the king, not a tool. You're the one who makes the ultimate decision toDay, therefore you are not bound to anybody else's judgement. The question of what one "should" do and what one "should not" do has no relevance to you whatsoever right now.059:

Or maybe he should be trying to find scum? And he should be working with the town to do that? And not just doing whatever he wants?

I mean, you raise an interesting question of political authority here. But I'm gonna say it's pretty obvious to what extent the king should do something.


Soup/BarDulL looks boring, and I can't believe you guys seriously arguing during the night phase,


Vote: Dabuz

because scum, gonna get my bus on D1

 

[#HBC | Kary]

JDietz, buddy with me this game. Let's get Dabuz killed. Maybe we can recruit a big shot power player to our cause, perhaps No Hetero. But that's much of a muchness.

The two of us, let's run this town.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

It was the year 2185. The SSV Normandy blasted off from Citidal after restocking on supplies. Commander Shepard (Male) was in the engine room, checking on the status of the Core. Tali explained that everything was in working order. Before Shepard rode back up on the elevator, Richard, one of the engineers, rode on the elevator with him. Just as they rode upward to the bridge, Richard pulled a knife on Shepard! Thankfully, the Commander was able to react quickly so as to subdue him. The bridge members were shocked to see Richard on the floor. But as it turns out, finding a precular camoflage machine, 'Richard' isn't what he turned out to me

Lowly pirate scum (NPC) was killed by Commander Shepard (LIKE A BOSS)

The bridge wondered how the hell he got on the Normandy. His response was mostly the contraption, and told them not worry for he's sure it's just a lowly pirate.

Only he knew the real story behind this....

and what happened to the real Richard??????.???

mystery time !!!!! !1!111!

OMGBBQ

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Or maybe he should be trying to find scum? And he should be working with the town to do that? And not just doing whatever he wants?

That is not something his position as king puts him in charge of - it's his assumed position of a townie that does. And that's not something one has to specifically ask for. Furthermore I'm going to assume that the last sentence was just a joke / rhetorical figure. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong-

 

[BarDulL]

Respond to this, you're only telling me that I don't want you to have a gun because I doubt you, and using my argument against me trying to imply I contradicted myself. I didn't do any of the sort and only made your point useless about wanting one.

I've made what I don't like clear? Did my conversation with you just go across your head or something?

You never explained why you "have every reason to doubt me." I asked you why you feel I shouldn't be King, and you responded to me with "why do you feel you should be King?" I personally think you're just riding coattails without explaining in-depth as to why you feel I shouldn't be King, because if you did have solid reasoning, it wouldn't take you very long to just come up with the words and say it. Frankly, I don't think you actually have good reasons that supersede my own, because if you did, you would have said why.

Why do you not "like my slot?" Do you think I'm scum for what I've done so far? "Boasting" and "abrasively demanding for a gun" not only aren't indicative of alignment, but they also aren't true; I was never "boasting" per se, since to boast is to make proclamations for the sake of making myself look good. In a way, I WAS doing that, but I wasn't trying to make myself look good for the sake of looking good, I was saying it so that people stop having gripes about me being King when I actually do have experience playing in a power position and I know exactly how to utilize it. That being said, I have absolutely NO CLUE why you "don't like my slot."

@Kary, you should accompany me on my journey to hardbody peeps. I gotta ask ya why you want JD on your team when he hasn't posted yet though. Are you just going to team up with people without reading into them a bit? What's your criterion for teaming up with another player?

 

[BarDulL]

Bardul, just because you edited your quote within a new post doesn't make it okay to edit at all.

Don't do that again. >:C

TO EVERYONE: This also goes for posts before the game started. Leave them be as if they were apart of the game.

Kay, will do. I suggest amending this to the rules for future reference in case someone like myself decides to edit within a quote (Rajam is commonly known to do this, for instance).

 

[BarDulL]

Or, he doesn't edit it PER SE, he technically adds on to posts with different colored versions, but since you haven't defined what's ok and what isn't ok to add/change to a quote, I assume that the previously mentioned example isn't ok.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Bardull/soup I think your back and forth is really counterproductive and you should stop with it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Bardull

It's how I'm perceiving you. I don't have a solid case and I can't say with certainty about it that it is accurate. I'm going to drop it as Gheb is completely right on this not being productive.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't have any other concerns with what's been posted. I've got perceptions (like bardull) but not enough for me to question it or post further about it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Kary, you should accompany me on my journey to hardbody peeps. I gotta ask ya why you want JD on your team when he hasn't posted yet though. Are you just going to team up with people without reading into them a bit? What's your criterion for teaming up with another player?

Second Vote: BarDulL

That is not something his position as king puts him in charge of - it's his assumed position of a townie that does. And that's not something one has to specifically ask for.

Fair point

Furthermore I'm going to assume that the last sentence was just a joke / rhetorical figure. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong-

I don't know to which sentence you're referring. But it's probably not a big deal.

because scum, gonna get my bus on D1

Was it this? No, I'm dead serious in this. Also, I have two votes, so I can vote BarDulL at the same time.

 

[BarDulL]

I think you're being counterproductive by trying to turn off avenues of conversation. You also haven't put out an RVS vote or anything of that sort. As far as I know, all you've done is told the King not to worry about what other people do, but you haven't done anything else.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

moar votes on BarDulL plz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

How is Gheb not putting up an RVS vote telling to you? Do you not like his armchair style that he has been doing as of late? Elaborate on it.

Lol irony I found something to talk about.

 

[No Hetero]

@Rockin

We vastly prefer "Queen" to "King", thank you very much. Request to be titled as such should we be elected.

 

[BSP]

That is not something you should have to concern yourself with - you are the king, not a tool. You're the one who makes the ultimate decision toDay, therefore you are not bound to anybody else's judgement. The question of what one "should" do and what one "should not" do has no relevance to you whatsoever right now.

This is true, however, I still want opinions. Tell me your opinion of my decision to run this like a standard day. Are you ok with it? Do you think I could be doing something better?

Why are you okay with that, Dabuz?

Tell me your opinion as well.

Soup/BarDulL looks boring, and I can't believe you guys seriously arguing during the night phase,

Bardull/soup I think your back and forth is really counterproductive and you should stop with it.

Exactly how is it counterproductive/boring? Do you think that there's nothing worth merit in their little interaction so far?

 

[BSP]

Handorin (1) ; Dabuz
Dabuz(1); Bardull
Omni (1); Soup
Bardull (1); Kary

Not voting: Omni, Mastermind, Jerkus, Death Bear, Handorin, No Hetero, BSP, Gheb, JDietz

 

[BarDulL]

We're in the RVS stage of the game, so a player who is as experienced with Mafia as Gheb is should be trying to progress discussion forward and get the ball rolling, however all he's done so far is offer basic advice to BSP and say "Bardull/soup, quit being counterproductive" when, really, we're not being counterproductive whatsoever. I don't want people thinking I'm a bad king, so I'm going to fight to holy hell on it if I have to, because to not do so would be anti-town for my faction. Any blanket statements regarding my slot need to be cast aside because they aren't warranted for the time being, and I'm saying this primarily because not only is that a true statement, but it also sets me up for being able to better help Town when my slot isn't blanketed by baseless disregard for my capacity for the game. I can be very helpful when I've got the power to go with it.

That being said, Gheb hasn't done anything stellar enough to warrant being in any kind of position of power, so it bothers me that, if he IS trying to play armchair critic, that he's doing a poor job of pushing Town in the right direction and yes, it's bothersome at this point in time.

 

[No Hetero]

vote dabuz
fos everyone not voting

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This is true, however, I still want opinions. Tell me your opinion of my decision to run this like a standard day. Are you ok with it? Do you think I could be doing something better?

I can't have an educated opinion on how you run this Day before the Day is actually through. Do what you think is the best thing to do - if that means that in case of doubt you'll side with the majority then that's what you're going to do. If I were King I would not side with the majority if I don't agree with it. But you are you and I am not. I don't have better insight on your thought process than you do. I have nothing else to tell you.

Exactly how is it counterproductive/boring? Do you think that there's nothing worth merit in their little interaction so far?

Kind of an irrelevant point since both sides have chosen to drop the subject. But yeah I think the interaction was worthless because it's the kind of nit-pick where two people just try to read a lot of potentially suspicious stuff into each other's posts but end up going nowhere because the entire discussion has nothing to do with hunting scum but just get a discussion started in the first place.