Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Death Bear]

Soup is reminding me of his taco bell mafia play with his recent stuff in conjunction with this dabuz push
moving him upwards to null-stronger than before town

 

[BSP]

clearing stuff

 

[BSP]

more clearing

 

[Omni]

-.- just dont post anything till ur ready

 

[BSP]

I'm combing this entire game, and the multiquotes stack up and get annoying. I have the clear them out eventually, and just posting is the easiest way to do so.

Don't feel like you need to wait on me or anything.

 

[Omni]

...OF COURSE I (we) have to wait on you, lol. i asked you a question which u said you're getting ready to prepare to answer

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I want to like Soup after all this, because I just did a quick ISO on him and still kinda have him as town.

unfortunately I think he ate something that gave him really terrible reads because about 2days/500 posts ago he decided dabuz and I were scumbuddies and has basically stuck to that position like his life depended on it. I don't really know why he bothered arguing with dabuz/myself when it hasn't changed his reads at all.

He said that he like had 'a moment of clarity' and that's all well and good, but he's obviously wrong about me being scum which is why it's kinda derpy. He may even be wrong about dabuz. But the dumbest and most important thing about the whole episode is why scumSoup would decide to pull such a blatant change of pace and stop looking at anything else.

I really don't know whether scumSoup would bank on getting away with such an absurd play, but I don't really understand the benefit, because with BSP in charge there didn't look like there'd be momentum to swing a me/dabuz lynch in a hurry. To top that off he must have known he was throwing himself into the spotlight, and I don't know what scumSoup is banking on in order to avoid any backlash he might get (you could say dabuz bus at this point but idk that looks like a sub-par play).

More than anything this looks to me like Soup did in fact eat a fruit that made him terrible at mafia, and is trying to line up his mislynch tomorrow to top off being wrong toDay, or that he is confident enough in a dabuz scumflip that he thinks that will vindicate him. I know that he's huffing and puffing and kicking up a fuss, but unless he got drunk and started calling for the HBC, then couldn't face pulling a 180, I don't understand scumSoup's motivation in all this.

As a kinda footnote, if Soup is scum flailing at this point, who's bussing him? Now kinda looks like the time to be bussing, so, idk. maybe that's a point in his favour.

/somethoughts

did in fact eat a fruit that made him terrible at mafia

^also I love my posts

 

[Omni]

i don't know Soup's playstyle at all but his recent flailing as i said before (until Gheb decided to try to scum that remark up) doesnt give me a scum vibe.

 

[No Hetero]

I expect more than this, from both of you.

From me? Why?

As VT in Bingo, I faked a guilty on Kuz/Gord to get them lynched, rather than drumming up evidence. And I got nightkilled as a result, which was great, because I'd been skimming all game.

As VT in your own recent game, I made two posts.

As scum in many games, including Pulp Fiction, Fire Emblem, Super Heroes where we were practically joined at the hip, and All-Stars where we were literally joined at the hip, I fully coasted to wins and losses both.

In The Wall, on this very ****ing account, I held myself accountable for nothing whatsoever, aside from an incorrect but easy case on Hando, and a case D6 on scumRaz that I BS'd on the spot.

Do not act like this is borne out of some hero worship you have for me and marshy. You've very plainly expressed, as I've shown, that you have a scumread on this slot.

 

[Mastermind]

From me? Why?

As VT in Bingo, I faked a guilty on Kuz/Gord to get them lynched, rather than drumming up evidence. And I got nightkilled as a result, which was great, because I'd been skimming all game.

As VT in your own recent game, I made two posts.

As scum in many games, including Pulp Fiction, Fire Emblem, Super Heroes where we were practically joined at the hip, and All-Stars where we were literally joined at the hip, I fully coasted to wins and losses both.

In The Wall, on this very ****ing account, I held myself accountable for nothing whatsoever, aside from an incorrect but easy case on Hando, and a case D6 on scumRaz that I BS'd on the spot.

Do not act like this is borne out of some hero worship you have for me and marshy. You've very plainly expressed, as I've shown, that you have a scumread on this slot.

Making a note of this post, because I have a question for you later.

Carry on.


Also, to reiterate: @mod: Can we post hydra logs?

 

[Mastermind]

@Gheb: Hando's not as null as you think tbh. You'll get more on that later when both halves can be around to educate you puny mortals.

 

[Omni]

Also, to reiterate: @mod: Can we post hydra logs?

whether you can or cannot, can you refrain from doing so?

i already have a negative view on hydra's in the first place. i remember Xiivi faking communication logs in Final Fantasy mafia. i'd personally prefer if you kept all of your line of thought directed toward this threat as opposed to talk between one another

 

[Mastermind]

More than anything this looks to me like Soup did in fact eat a fruit that made him terrible at mafia, and is trying to line up his mislynch tomorrow to top off being wrong toDay

For clarity: Whom are you saying is Soup's D2 ML? Soupscum being bad is a given. You need to go beyond "this is bad" to win the hearts and minds of the unwashed cretin masses.

 

[No Hetero]

My argument has not been that what Marshy is doing makes him/you scum. It never has been. Marshy always tries to hardbody and haste lynches.

What is problematic for me is that he is doing on ****ing Dabuz of all people, and has not moved. When it's on a player that naturally sits Null, you have to justify that somehow if you expect people to follow you. That Marshy legitimately thinks that shouting for Dabuz's head and outrightly refusing to justify why he wants him dead is confusing to me. I don't see how he can consider that to be the best use of his time and energy. Anyone can throw down what essentially start out as an RVS vote, stick to it, and never offer justification, but only a player with clout like Marshy can actually do that and successfully help move a wagon. That bothers me. Not in a "clearly Marshy must be scum" kind of way, but in a "this is so anti-Town, why are you being this dense and difficult?" kind of way.

A) That was marshy you're responding to. Periods and capital letters don't make the difference.

B) I'm doing the same things marshy is doing. Go see D1/D2 of the Wall where we muscled Soup and July into the grave -- in that case, it was marshy's reads with me doing the actual bodying and the image posting. All me.

C) The whole reason for all of this has been to make dabuz a magic button. Off a gutread (and it's still gut) we decided to generate content around us and hopefully get our gutread dead at the same time. Refusing to talk about dabuz while simultaneously pushing his lynch has caused a lot of commentary about him, as well as related situations between the players for/against dabuz. Until recently, it was the sole polarizing issue of the Day.

D) You used the phrase "master plan" earlier, something to the tune of "If there is one, it's not obvious". But on the contrary, that you know there's a plan to begin with means it's absolutely obvious that there's a plan! And the most obvious hint of all was me flatout telling you dabuz was a gutread, that I needed you to stop talking to me about it, and I also told you that (most important of all) I would actually have a sitdown chat with you about it after the fact.

E) If NH isn't your scumread as I've been saying, then you've wasted your Day 1. We've made up the majority body of your interactions toDay. This is why I said earlier, "why are you not scumhunting," because you kept talking to me.

 

[Mastermind]

whether you can or cannot, can you refrain from doing so?

i already have a negative view on hydra's in the first place. i remember Xiivi faking communication logs in Final Fantasy mafia. i'd personally prefer if you kept all of your line of thought directed toward this threat as opposed to talk between one another

I'll ask the other half after I make the commute to my Downtown Lair.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I didn't mean to come off as a ranting maniac but clearly being civil and calm about things was not helping. Jerkus asked for a case and I gave him one. It's not solid and I put about maybe 40 minutes of effort into it. I hope he enjoyed me losing my ****.

Apparently BSP has a huge post cooking up too so that will be great to read, though probably I will look at his execution choice more than anything.

Did you ever answer me on Hando, Mastermind? I don't recall.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

For clarity: Whom are you saying is Soup's D2 ML? Soupscum being bad is a given. You need to go beyond "this is bad" to win the hearts and minds of the unwashed cretin masses.

More than anything this looks to me like Soup did in fact eat a fruit that made him terrible at mafia, and is trying to line up his mislynch tomorrow to top off being wrong toDay, or that he is confident enough in a dabuz scumflip that he thinks that will vindicate him. I know that he's huffing and puffing and kicking up a fuss, but unless he got drunk and started calling for the HBC, then couldn't face pulling a 180, I don't understand scumSoup's motivation in all this.

To clarify, what I meant by that is that it looks like Soup is town, and he's being really bad in that he's setting himself up to be mislynched tomorrow

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Your statement implies you might think Dabuz is town? I actually haven't heard you say anything about Dabuz in a while so while I'm obessising over it and you happen to be here, enlighten me.

Who do you think is the likely team/pair/whatever?

 

[No Hetero]

Given the stream of thought in 1110, I'd be hard-pressed to call Soup scum. I expect a town flip if he goes, with some interaction data to be had, but most interactions will end up null-inadmissible because of fallout surrounding his play and the trouble of reading or bothering to read aggroSoup.

Hypocritically I would like to see more explicit reasoning on Hando @MM, I'm interested.

@Kary, would love a couple reads you don't think you've given yet / updated recently.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't think I'm going to be able to keep up with this game. It went from 18 pages to 30 pages in a single day.

I guess I can try and read it over the weekend, but this week is stacked for me in terms of homework because I got two new classes (not sure if I mentioned that earlier).

From what I can remember, BSP is Town, Gheb is most likely Town, Dabuz is...probably just bad Town (gotta reread him), I felt soup was scum, Jerkus was null, NH was null (wouldn't mind seeing him vigged), Omni I'm just a little wary of, haven't read up on MM yet because they were missing over last weekend, Kary seemed like he was trying really hard with my slot earlier on so I don't know for sure. Not null, but I can see both sides of Kary doing what he did, but I see more of a TownKary than a scumKary pushing on me for "trying too hard." JD was null. DeathBear was null with a slight town lean, but that can change.

I forget if there was anyone else.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

well right now I have a strong dislike for both death bear and jdietz.

on the other hand i don't have anything on me to back that up, i haven't really been over any of my reads to evaluate them and see if they check out (except for quick ISO on you).

so basically ask me in a few days when i'm actually up to speed.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

that was @Soup in case it wasn't clear

and to flesh out a little,

i don't really like death bear in that i feel like they're playing commentary/taking backseat a lot rather than pushing things, also that comment about how I should go 'head to head' with them and following discussion which i found really weird

don't like ditzy because he's 50% lurking/johns 50% unsubstantiated dislike of slots (at least in my head, he made a big post at one point and I just skimmed it and went 'trying to be confrontational to seem town GG')

so that's my head right now. give me 72 hours or something maybe i'll whip something up.

 

[No Hetero]

Bardull: change your avatar i.e. put on a new face, skim the last 200 posts, and get back into the game at the present level. It's not hard, and people aren't thinking about you or your previous play atm. What's gone on isn't nearly as important as how people react to what's gone on, and that's something you're in a position to adequately gauge.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

kary's probably town purely based off the fact he can't ever read me as town and we always end up butting heads and i dont feel like scum kary would play it so loosey goosey by saying something like he doesnt have that much on my slot

 

[Death Bear]

kary's probably town purely based off the fact he can't ever read me as town and we always end up butting heads and i dont feel like scum kary would play it so loosey goosey by saying something like he doesnt have that much on my slot

kary's probably town purely based off the fact he can't ever read me as town and we always end up butting heads and i dont feel like scum kary would play it so loosey goosey by saying something like he doesnt have that much on my slot

on the other hand you could argue non committal but ehhh.

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull: change your avatar i.e. put on a new face, skim the last 200 posts, and get back into the game at the present level. It's not hard, and people aren't thinking about you or your previous play atm. What's gone on isn't nearly as important as how people react to what's gone on, and that's something you're in a position to adequately gauge.

How's this?

Busy with schoolwork, only have time to make quick posts. Intensely reading through 18~ pages (that's 720~ posts) will take forever.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

0/1 0

 

[BarDulL]

0/1 0

Soup, take your chastising of homosexuality elsewhere.

 

[BarDulL]

Alright, Gramps mode. Leggo.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Bett er

 

[Mastermind]

whether you can or cannot, can you refrain from doing so?

i already have a negative view on hydra's in the first place. i remember Xiivi faking communication logs in Final Fantasy mafia. i'd personally prefer if you kept all of your line of thought directed toward this threat as opposed to talk between one another

If not, it's going to literally be me going through and paraphrasing everything we talk about as if I was considering it in my head. Personally, I'm not big on them either, but I am big on lazy.

 

[Omni]

Ugh. I don't like it.

 

[Mastermind]

You know BSP, what's stopping you from shooting me? You've pointed to it. You've pressured me on it. You've called me out as scum. Yet you don't do it

Something is stopping you. What is it? Maybe you're not certain? Maybe you need more from me? I've done all I can and now I'm just waiting for you to pull the trigger. I also don't understand why you're so against Dabuz either. So many people have wasted their time (including myself) clawing and scratching and you are just absolutely against it. If it comes to where you're so scared of shooting wrong that it's between me and Kary, then so be it. Otherwise, make a decision.

I hate Soup from the last two pages, but regardless, wait for me to post more before shooting.

 

[Mastermind]

Why do people want to shoot Kary?
Why are people desperate for a trigger pull?


When I've brought up the subject multiple times, why does no one talk about Hando?

@Omni - Literally, the points I want to get across are "This is bad. This is bad. This is bad. This isn't as bad as this. This is worth than that because this. This can wait because that." Regardless of how it's phrased, it's the same conclusions I have to put out there.

 

[Omni]

Meh, fine. Have at it. You don't really need my permission, but thanks for taking it into consideration.

What's to talk about with Hando? Evolved form of Jdietz: Lurker type Pokemon. Off everyone's radar, but still voices his opinion here and there. It's been years, but I feel this is typical Hando?

 

[BarDulL]

Hando said he felt I was scum because I edited a quote. He said it was a "tool of deception", even though I stated "the quote is edited" in the same post that the edited quote was in.

He REALLY didn't push me on it though and admitted later it was reaching, but I feel like it was an attempt to set me up for problems later. I also don't get how he could have felt I was scum based on that post...like, it was pretty silly if he's Town.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm actually leaning scum on Hando from what I can remember. I'm like really sure one is scum between Hando/Soup.

 

[Mastermind]

Meh, fine. Have at it. You don't really need my permission, but thanks for taking it into consideration.

What's to talk about with Hando? Evolved form of Jdietz: Lurker type Pokemon. Off everyone's radar, but still voices his opinion here and there. It's been years, but I feel this is typical Hando?

His response was to tell me,

"DON'T EVEN PRETEND YOU CAN READ ME!"

That's typical anyone?

Look at his early game. Ditz is on my **** list too. He's there for white knighting without drawing his own conclusions and without any attempt of his own to analyze Dabuz's play.

Hando, however, plays the fence like a champ and should burn for it.





I am not going to be an *** and post logs when I don't like dealing with them.

 

[No Hetero]

I'd rather not deal with hydra logs.

Also, I would lynch JDietz before lynching Kary.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I just want

this day to end

but i keep viewing this goddamn game