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Why is that? I've never felt the Melee SB was super useful and Brawl SB is actually how Marth fights. I'd rather they try and keep the characters close to how they were in their own games.
Because the hitbox is bigger. I really do think it's better. I know it Brawl's charges faster and sweetspots easier, but it's not as good for edgeguarding.
Why not just forward smash? It is the exact same arc. The only thing the melee SB had was that you could use that hitbox in the air easily but you also could have used most of Marth's aerials and gotten a similar effect.
Ah, the move names from the "Super Smash Bros. Melee Official Nintendo Power Player's Guide."
Those posts are regularly posted to boards and on the smash bros subreddit there is a bot that posts them with their comment as soon as they occur. I'm looking forward to the shield breaker buff, it was specifically in regards to breaking shields and not necessarily killing power, but that might just be because I suck as Marth.
I can imagine using Shield Breaker as a setup for a tipper Fsmash if SB has enough power to break shields, especially if the stun of the broken shield lasts long enough to space it right.
Not even. Once you get good with Marth, your spacing basically becomes the best thing. If you space properly, you should always have more than enough time to set up tipper fsmash. Heck, I can Shield break and set up tipper fsmash pretty easily. Just takes some practice. And since the "emphasis on edge" effects have been given to Marth's sword trails, it shouldn't be too difficult.
I really liked that. However it was more notable with down smash where the opponent would be stunned for like a second before flying vertically.
I'll never forget my first tipper Dsmash kill. Best feeling in the world, almost as good as Fsmash.
Well idk bout brawl that much but in melee and project m his dolphin slash did have tipper properties...which was y if u did up b right next to someone its would just send them up and slightly infront of you but if u reversed it (since he puts his sword slightly behind him before he leaves the ground) its a very powerful kill move
It can be pretty powerful even if you hit them from the front if it's spaced right.
I'm guessing you don't grab a lot?
i hope his sheild breaker goes back to the melee animation...so much more useful
It won't. The Brawl animation is actually cannon to how he fights and is better for breaking shields. The melee shield breaker isn't as useful as people say it s. The fsmash does the exact same thing on the ground and in the air there are usually better options. I don't think I've ever sen M2K use shield breaker for anything other than edge guarding and it is a redundancy in that area.
Do you have a link o this match? I'd really like to see it.
k i will find it later
It matters because Marth fights by stabbing through shields in Fire Emblem. Imagine if Mario didn't have the super jump punch and fireball in his moveset. Instead he would have moves he never used before and moves that come from things in the Mario universe that aren't him, like throwing spinies or something. The Melee SB isn't very useful to begin with. I still have not seen it used in anyway other than edge guarding where and Fsmash would have had the same or better result. I was never arguing that the Brawl SB was better from a competitive stand point, I was arguing it as better at the point of Marth's design. We also don't know what the physics or metagame for SSB4 will be like so we can't say that either animation is better competitively.
But it's a sword slash from a fire emblem game. It's not like it's some magic laser coming out of Marth's tiara. It's a sword slash which is still cannon.
Marth spends the overwhelming majority of his time stabbing, not slashing. He should have a stabing move and shield breaker especially should be that move because not only has Marth used his rapier to stab through armor, so has every Lord with a rapier until Chrom. The majority of his moveset actually comes from the myrmidon class, a class he only has a weapon in common with. He should have at least one move that comes from himself. Can you tell me about or show me the situation where shield breaker is better than fsmash? I keep hearing it has uses but there is never any evidence.
That means the burden of proof belongs to you. I don't want to go dig through old youtube videos and stream matches to prove a point that's largely assumed correct. If you want I can list off examples where it is better. Like when playing against Falcon or Gannon that move is a guaranteed kill off of hit over 45%. Or playing against species it is sometimes useful when covering the edge and they're recovering in a position where they can't sweet spot the ledge.
Falchions are not designed for stabbing and Marth's sword isn't actually a Falchion. Falchions are curved at their ends and thus have no point to stab with. The Falchion is actually a long sword and is used for both slashing and stabbing. Marth's iconic weapon before the Falchion is the rapier, which is actually a stabbing weapon.
Why wouldn't the fsmash work just as well in those situations? It has the exact same arch and gets stronger faster. It isn't that the old SB is totally useless, the biggest problem is that it is a redundancy and doesn't differentiate itself enough from the fsmash and in the air a nair has similar knock back too. I am not saying it is like sing in terms of its uselessness. It just doesn't do enough to make it a better option than fsmash on the ground or nair in the air, in most cases.
