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No, I meant it the way I said it. Instead of jumping through it, just jump completely over it. It flies towards the ground at an angle, so you can just full hop over it completely. This way you can reach Robin before he is even done with Arcfire's animation, giving you time for a punish.
You mean full hop fast fall turn around grab?
Full hop, fast fall into anything you want.
otherwise. Robin's starting to look like a golden ticket mentally.
I have a lot of trouble with Sheik and Diddy Kong. The former I can hold my ground against, but I think my issue with Diddy is I have no idea how to deal with him at all xD. I messed around with him in training to get a grasp, but it only made a slight improvement on the match up for me. Anyone have any tips vs Diddy?Okay, so bias but here are the match ups I think we'll be struggling with this game:
That's about it. Here are some nuisances:
I'm still yet to ascertain Marth's power level in this game, as he is still so similar to his Brawl stature in all but numbers, it's really hard to pinpoint whether he's going to end up 60:40ing everyone (like in Brawl for the most part, towards the uppers were like 55:45s) or as low as 40:60ing everyone. Either way, I don't think there's anyone to blame for losing but yourself, unless that *** hole plays Sonic.
This is with mostly base moveset in mind, neutral/normals and what have you; all of our 'good' custom specials seem to give little extra opportunities for punishes or hard punishes (or survival) but I think it's fair to say that our hard match ups will not suddenly just turn solid advantages with dash assault in mind.
Match ups in this game thus far don't go the same way as they do in Brawl, and it's the reason why instead of going with out of 100, we decided to go by this plus/minus system up to 4, match ups that would probably be 80:20 in real "other fighting community terms" (i.e. MK vs everyone) would be +2 a lot of the time for how we ended up thinking about match ups; the reason for this was because in most match ups there was a clique the character could exist in that made them strong/viable (usually through camping) for as long as that could be maintained, the opposing character wouldn't necessarily have any means of getting around it, but the better character shouldn't really put themselves in that scenario in the first place (but eh, within a region, results could show anything to correspond to that). Marth played even with most characters at top level, but still by design had advantages the opponent's character didn't naturally have tools to deal with. Stuff like Marth being crippled on the ledge by Triple Jump/RCO Lag (and so many other characters were dealt with similar/worse ****) usually cost him stocks and could probably be put into an out of 100-games ratio but by design or by some notion of "player skill avoidance" we tended to ignore (or downplay) those negatives unless they were truly unavoidable (pre-100% we had a lot of different ledge options still, post 100% there's... two).
Avoid the grab and the match up is even doesn't seem to be a consideration we have to take in this game. There isn't much more to be concerned with other than face value common fighting, ability to revenge kill/mount a come back to some extent but it's minor. So for me to say disadvantage, there is no hocus pocus, other than perhaps stages (FD meta is kinda sickening and is still all I have to really go off).
We'll see how we go with others, but I think we should be keeping the above in mind.
I haven't played this matchup in Smash U(Yet) but as a player of both characters, Peach has only one aerial that outranges Marth's sword: FAir. So for Peaches floating above you, FH FAir, NAir, UAir, maybe FTilt and UTilt should do the trick. Also USmash OOS should theoretically punish badly spaced DAirs.
Thanks as always Emblem Lord.
Exactomondo dude, also big props to giving a copy of Smash WiiU to your brother. I'm sure he'll be just as thankful as I was when my friend gave me, his siblings, and my sister a copy of the 3DS Smash (for me specifically, it was a late b day present xD).
Yoshi is pretty tough to deal with. He's always moving and attacking at the same time which causes a lot of trouble for us, and those eggs are not fun to deal with either.
Ah thank you, being patient has seen a lot better results. Also it seems I can be a little more aggressive on stages like Lylat and Battlefield where D-air, Down B, and B-air are less effective with platforms.
Well Shulk's recovery is easy to snuff if he doesn't have Jump art active. If he's using vanilla Shulk, then just go off stage and poke him with fair and he won't be coming back. Other than that Shulk gets back on stage pretty well, you're best chance is to go for the kill when he switches to Smash art.
Lucario is hard for me too, you are not alone. He likes to skirmish around the tip, or into non tipper zone just so that he gets into higher percents.
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I might be able to help out some. I'm a Mega Man main who's taken quite an interest in Marth (3rd character behind DK). I would agree that Mega Man (at least the way I play him) can struggle against a good Marth, but it takes some understanding of how Mega Man works to really get that. The previous posts here basically say, "outplay him" with empty hop>grab tactics etc. which doesn't really help a whole lot. What you want to do is bully him like a heavy and take stage control. Your speed and option coverage can really mess him up. In your match, you can see that whenever something doesn't work, Mega Man will retreat. This is what makes him great, is that his defensive game can be incredibly safe due to his mobility. He can use metal blade hit-confirms to get grabs and can mixup the pellets with dash attack/dtilt slide to regain stage control, but none of his default projectiles have very much knockback if any (you were probably unfamiliar with Danger Wrap, but its horizontal range on the ground is probably outranged by Marth's fsmash) but if you can corner him and shorten the safe range between his mid-range and your tippers, you can do some serious damage to him. You also generally keep good spacing, so Mega Man's best kill option (utilt) shouldn't be much of an issue outside of whiff punishing. Meanwhile, Usmash/Fsmash/Dsmash are all very punishable and you can punish quite well with FSmash.
