Marth Doubles Partner Discussion #2: Ganondorf

[Shök]

For those of you who do know what i ask, post away.

for those who don't,

I just want to know how the community feels about different doubles partners.

This week is ganondorf.

just say what you think are the biggest strengths and weaknesses adn the overall compatability rating (/10)

Dicuss.

Review:

Advantages:

Ganon Hits hard, Doesn't die till fairly high percents and his side be can **** in teams

They have pretty good setups

Getting kills will not be hard in this matchup, if you have Marth rack up the damage and Ganon get the kills. You can have Marth in the lowest control port, and Ganon can spam his smash attacks on the opponent without having to worry about killing Marth.

Disadvantages:

Ganon's Bad recovery can be a share stock gimp, if he's killed too early.

The above quote's strategy can backfire BIG TIME.

Once ganon is gone, Marth's pretty much done because of his light weight.

Ganon can tank, but it's not like that's too much help >_>

Ganon is a big weak link in this team.

These are about a quarter of the disavantages.

OVERALL COMPATABILITY RATING:

3/10

LOL

 

[Steel]

That was a quick week. XD

Anyway, ganondorf actually isn't that bad in teams. He hits hard, doesn't die till high percents unless he is gimped, and can tank.

 

[Shök]

I said weekly by accident...
that's why I edited it

LOL

 

[Ryan-K]

uh ganon is a ****ty character lol
his only good points are his ftilt/fsmash, usmash and the fact that his side b goes through shields and can suicide kill

his recovery is so bloody pathetic it totally negates his weight which isn't even that heavy anyway

the only good part about this team is how if marth grabs and ganon is nearby you can kill. if ganon isn't in immediate range though then forget it because he's a slow ******* and gets punished for like everything because he LAGS after everything unless he times SH dairs

ganon sucks and thats about the gist of it

 

[Shök]

pretty offensive, but whatever

 

[Ryan-K]

well if you wanna prove me wrong on ganon being garbage then feel free to do so lol but fact is he sucks

there is no real strategic value to having ganon on a team

 

[∫unk]

superryan is right... but he forgot to mention d-air which is one of his best moves.

 

[Ryan-K]

well i said that dair is one of his only moves that doesn't lag but that's only if he autocancels it

 

[∫unk]

it's not too hard to autocancel

 

[Shök]

In 1 on 1 ganon may not be the best.

Let's be frank, he sucks.

HOVEVER,

I find that he is quite useful in teams.

His Side B has many many set ups for Marth (Shieldbreaker) and can eliminate foes offstage, while Marth stays back, so eventually ganon can come back with a share stock.

His dair is an excellent spike, that can be easy to set up with dancing blade.

And he CAN **** 1 on 1 in the proper hands, so splitting them up is a good idea.

Marth can **** 1 on 1 to set up for a warlock punch down b

So basically, Marth players, just don't get in his way

Their weakness, lack of projectiles.

 

[Ryan-K]

it's not too hard to autocancel

it's not the difficulty, it's just the fact is if you can only do it out of an sh at a certain height then it's pretty situational.

no matter when you do marths fair for example it's fine because it doesn't need to be used only at certain times

side b only works if they are like sandwiched between you and you can only hit them in that period where ganon holds them before they fall

lol, how does forward b set up for an offstage dair?!?!?! that's so stupidly situational it's moot. you better make sure marth can save your *** if you go for it

cf can "**** in the right hands" too but that doesn't make him good LOL brawl is so limited ganon cant do **** no matter how smart you are if the opponent can hold onto his balls with both hands and uses a decent character

the only set up for warlock punch is a high percent grab or if the ganon starts it early and marth gets lucky with a grab or if their shield breaks or something

their weakness is that ganon sucks and brings the team down LOL

 

[Shök]

whatever.

That's your opinion.

But I prefer Steel2nd's

 

[3xSwords]

I have to agree with Superryan, but that's not because Marth + Ganon = Disaster, or anything, it's just that other teams may have better success than these two.

Getting kills will not be hard in this matchup, if you have Marth rack up the damage and Ganon get the kills. You can have Marth in the lowest control port, and Ganon can spam his smash attacks on the opponent without having to worry about killing Marth. (However this strategy may backfire as Marth is light and will be killed quicker). But since Ganon is heavy and will have a better time surviving, you can also use Ganon's SA frames in SideB and lower control port in his grab to rack up damage and get kills with Marth.

However the problem here is the difficulty of performing one's role. Marth being light will die sooner than Ganon, and since Marth racks up damage, Ganon's usefulness is cut in half as his role of finisher may not be used frequently as he will have to help rack up damage. However, it can easily go the other way around, because Ganon being fat and slow may be easily double teamed and killed first. Which will put Marth into a 2v1 situation that nobody wants.

This matchup really depends on how well both characters can serve their function before they die. Or else the other becomes almost helpless/not as effective. With MK and Marth, both could just as easily rack up damage and kill, and even though Marth can do both he was not designed to take 2v1 with a 2+ stock disadvantage.

 

[Ryan-K]

i don't see why ganon being a tank is so emphasized in this thread. yes he's a fat ******* but his aerial mobility sucks and he basically has a grabbing, much shorter and slower version of marths up b as a recovery as well as a side b that, while risky to edgeguard, goes like NO distance at all. he's like one of the easiest characters to edgeguard in the game.

ganon is easy as hell to exploit. he's tall, he is slow in all his actions pretty much, his recovery sucks, and his air mobility is crap. all aspects of his game are slow and he isn't powerful enough to make up for it except in his smashes and ftilt

i am not trying to make it seem hopeless but i think ganon is being overrated and I think this thread would be more fitting for ganon players who get lucky enough to team with a marth instead of vice versa LOL

i would much rather team with bowser, at least bowser is geniuinely heavy and powerful plus has beastly range and flamethrower :x

edit: if you agree so much with steel2nd then just defend your points instead of giving up because that means you don't have anything to argue with really lol

 

[∫unk]

superryan he gave up cause you have an overbearing demeanor which there's no point in combating because he knows it's fruitless.

try swearing less, not making extreme statements (air mobility is crap, recovery sucks, etc.), and using a more mature tone if you want an intelligent response.

and no one is hyping ganon up i don't think anyone would argue with ganon being bottom 3.

 

[Ryan-K]

but his air mobility and recovery are terrible and do suck do you want me to lie or something?

its the internet and its BRAWL how serious can someone be LOL

 

[Megavitamins]

I pretty much agree with ryan k, Ganon / Marth don't really gain much. btw, you can auto-auto dair cancel by hitting up on the analog stick and down on the c-stick simultaneously.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

marth and ganon can be pretty godly because marth can help set up ganons laggier kill move at low percents. and ganon's shdair is godly, too good.

 

[∫unk]

but his air mobility and recovery are terrible and do suck do you want me to lie or something?

its the internet and its BRAWL how serious can someone be LOL

You have an amazing ability to ignore the main point and bring up meaningless ones.

You don't need to lie, you can just pick less extreme language. Try looking up words like "terrible" in the thesaurus if you're really have trouble.

I don't think anyone is really serious lol you're the one randomly showing up to Marth boards and this thread and replying every time someone posts.

 

[Ryan-K]

megavitamins: yeah the auto cancel dair is like his best move lol his bair autocancels too i think and uair has like no lag but his fair is garbs im convinced lol, ganon really doesn't bring anything to the table

junkinthetrunk: **** dude what is your problem seriously >_>

no need to get butthurt about some words that aren't even aimed at anyone jesus christ

if noone is being serious then explain how you feel the need to change how i post or w/e even though you get the main point, yeah it's cute acting all serious then putting in "lol" to act like you aren't isn't it?

no wonder melee players hate the brawl community so much, you give some advice and they go ape**** over some asteriks. you look for a friendly debate and people can't help themselves nitpicking over dumb **** that's irrelevant to what's going on just because they need to be ***** without contributing anything to the thread besides "stop cursing" as if it shows up and burns the virgin eyes of the apparently single digit age group that lurks here all the time (oh wait here comes the immaturity insult because i use some words too naughty for little johnny here) I bet you would love smogon, they don't even have a word filter, oh no! pg-13 content on the internet! my eyes!

 

[∫unk]

tl;dr

stop e-raging

end of discussion

 

[Shök]

K, then.

I appreciate the feedback....

 

[Shök]

I have to agree with Superryan, but that's not because Marth + Ganon = Disaster, or anything, it's just that other teams may have better success than these two.

I agree with THAT.

I never implied they were the best team.

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, Ganon can be gimped too easy by teams to be a good partner. He's decent in the hands of a master, but any two characters can have really nice set-ups. In teams, this isn't really close to game-breaking at all. All of these gimmicky things that have been mentioned, are not really going to be seen in teams play in the middle of the match (what partner is going to watch while you get enough time to set up a grab release to Warlock Punch for consistent early K.O.s?) It sounds fun on paper, but trust me, it's not practical.

Ganon is heavy, but is offset by mediocre recovery and easy gimpage. This kills his potential as a stock tank. He can't approach, even in Teams and he'll spend most of the match throwing auto-cancelled Dairs, SideB, and Down B, all being easily punished. Since Marth has good range and spacing, he generally needs to split up from his ally, which doesn't suit Ganon at all. Both fail to projectile spam.

As a team partner for Marth, I rate Ganondorf 3/10, and I think that's being friendly.

 

[Anomic_Punk]

I'd say 2/10.

Double MK would wreck ganon/marth

Marth needs a solid tanking partner who can rack damage, and allow marth to move around freely, IMO.

I'd recommend Dedede, personally. He's my fav. teammate-
My teams partner (Desu) and I haven't lost a brawl teams tournament in our state that we've been to.
And we've been to about 16.

 

[VietGeek]

I'd say 2/10.

Double MK would wreck ganon/marth

Marth needs a solid tanking partner who can rack damage, and allow marth to move around freely, IMO.

I'd recommend Dedede, personally. He's my fav. teammate-
My teams partner (Desu) and I haven't lost a brawl teams tournament in our state that we've been to.
And we've been to about 16.

Desu is your favorite because you're basically guaranteed a paycheck that way. ;(

 

[Desire]

d air isnt rly good,,,

SEXIEST SPIKE IN BRAWL HELL YEA

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Double MK would wreck Ganon/Marth.

Double MK wrecks lots of teams, and Marth D3 is a great team, although personally I like Fox, but my friend that I do teams with uses Link and has a good TL but won't listen to me when I tell him to pick up TL instead, it annoys me.