CandyAppleBlueCherry
Smash Cadet
Just need some general help on dittoing marth, anything from general help to specific mini-combos/setups will help a lot ^^ thanks!
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Marth Dittos?
- Thread starter CandyAppleBlueCherry
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space fairs. get that grab. dont fvck up an edgegaurd.
marth dittos are stupid
absolutely. love spacing.
CandyAppleBlueCherry
Smash Cadet
Marth dittos are my favorite match up XD i just don't really know how to explain the strategies involved in them that well. Trying to help out a friend ):
i mean
if you get fthrown off the stage..DI down and away.
uair is helpful, get that grab.
if you get fthrown off the stage..DI down and away.
uair is helpful, get that grab.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
At 0% Fthrow -> fthrow -> uthrow -> utilt -> air combos.
Unless they DI the fthrows down. Then it doesn't work.
Unless they DI the fthrows down. Then it doesn't work.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
45 degree angle towards stage and away stops them from grabbing you again
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Drop b-air, or dj to bair (both while edgehogging) work wonders in Marth dittos.
Marth dittos are all about grabs.
Spacing is hand in hand with grabs.
Spacing is hand in hand with grabs.
W.Jr
Smash Lord
chain grab forward smash
uhh...there are better options at 0
f throw f throw u throw utilt..then get creative...at the edgge f throw fsmash but if he does it to you make sure you di down and away
f throw f throw u throw utilt..then get creative...at the edgge f throw fsmash but if he does it to you make sure you di down and away
HiIH
Smash Lord
Fun fact. Anytime you can chaingrab a character, I'm pretty sure you can reverse Up+B them.
<.< Stupid ****, but it's a super ****/funny thing to do to someone at 0
<.< Stupid ****, but it's a super ****/funny thing to do to someone at 0
Dream Chaser
Smash Journeyman
Marth dittos = rock, paper, scissors
Fsmash beats Grab
Counter beats Fsmash
Grab beats Counter
(Fsmash beats all other approaches)
Fsmash beats Grab
Counter beats Fsmash
Grab beats Counter
(Fsmash beats all other approaches)
Mew2King
King of the Mews
lol, grab beats f smash noobI love standing there and grabbing peoples F smashes, unless it's way overspaced
it's just really fun
someone find the FCD vids, I wanna watch my crew battle marth ditto with Taj!!
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
lol, fsmash gives marth a super grab, he gets the same length as like samus' grab, but without the crappiness.
I love standing there and grabbing peoples F smashes, unless it's way overspaced
it's just really fun
someone find the FCD vids, I wanna watch my crew battle marth ditto with Taj!!
Proverbs
Smash Lord
You can't chaingrab three times in Marth dittos. You can only do f-throw to regrab and then another throw. After that your opponent has to screw up his DI for it to work (Or at least in my experience only the first two will work if you're playing against someone good).
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Is uthrow utilt in marth dittos a real, inescapeable combo?
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
why do you say that? marth can chain throw twice easily. he doesn't have the option to tech until i think the fourth throw, and even if he DIs away, his hitstun is enough that he doesn't have time to reach the invincibility of a spot dodge/roll or have a jab come out.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
It's inescapable in the way that if they jump out they are still in trouble and can combo them regardless.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
Huh, I'll try that next time then.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
When you fthrow and they d.i. towards you:
instead of fsmashing them...DAIR. It kills faster.
When you knock them down keep following them with grab. To techchase try tippering them with fair and comboing them with more fair, dair, or a tipper. People usually d.i. fair wrong on wake-up.
instead of fsmashing them...DAIR. It kills faster.
When you knock them down keep following them with grab. To techchase try tippering them with fair and comboing them with more fair, dair, or a tipper. People usually d.i. fair wrong on wake-up.
Bailey
Smash Hero
It's all about try combos and throwing random moves like F-Air, F-Air, Neutral A, COUNTER.
They will work lol
They will work lol
Dream Chaser
Smash Journeyman
Can you invariably grab a forward smash (when its timed right?) or is there a place where you are in sword range but cannot make the grab?
Mew2King
King of the Mews
where did those 2 random faces come I don't remember typing them LOL
faces come I don't remember typing them LOLICEDTEA1325
Smash Apprentice
i have seen ken do sh fair then get behind them while they shield. from this you can grab them or if they roll to get behind you, then you can uptilt
Fortress | Sveet
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this is my favorite matchup, and i will teach you everything you need to know:
remember to always play smart and stay safe, better to not get hit than to trade hits (barring CC -> KO move)
once you get a grab: never uthrow. any good marth will jump out, and unless you can DI chase him and hit him before he can hit you your grab will have been wasted.
below 7% fthrow chain. if they dont DI away you can continue chain grabbing with the fthrow or simply fsmash them. also, fthrow -> fair works if they dont DI away. lesson is: ALWAYS DI AWAY!
above that start dthrow tech chasing. you can easily predict someone after a throw or two to hit a fsmash and edgeguard from there.
if you dthrow off the edge you can jump out and fair them, they have to fast fall the throw and save their jump (most marths wont, you can usually get at least 1 gimp off that way)
when in doubt, play safe. old school marth stuff like dtilt and fsmash edgeguards will always work, even if they tech you can do it again and again until they mess up (or have enough % to die from any hit if they come back to the stage).
you can/should uthrow if there is a platform above you and he is low enough % that he cant jump before he has to tech.
when approaching keep all your options in mind. you can do spaced fairs, nair, dash attack, grab, or run->shield->grab. all of those will lead to combos.
remember to always play smart and stay safe, better to not get hit than to trade hits (barring CC -> KO move)
once you get a grab: never uthrow. any good marth will jump out, and unless you can DI chase him and hit him before he can hit you your grab will have been wasted.
below 7% fthrow chain. if they dont DI away you can continue chain grabbing with the fthrow or simply fsmash them. also, fthrow -> fair works if they dont DI away. lesson is: ALWAYS DI AWAY!
above that start dthrow tech chasing. you can easily predict someone after a throw or two to hit a fsmash and edgeguard from there.
if you dthrow off the edge you can jump out and fair them, they have to fast fall the throw and save their jump (most marths wont, you can usually get at least 1 gimp off that way)
when in doubt, play safe. old school marth stuff like dtilt and fsmash edgeguards will always work, even if they tech you can do it again and again until they mess up (or have enough % to die from any hit if they come back to the stage).
you can/should uthrow if there is a platform above you and he is low enough % that he cant jump before he has to tech.
when approaching keep all your options in mind. you can do spaced fairs, nair, dash attack, grab, or run->shield->grab. all of those will lead to combos.
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
I disagree. For instance, on FD, if you U-throw them, I -expect- that jump. Of course, I always try to U-Tilt them after but if they jump away, I just chase the other Marth with an F-air or U-air.
People should play expecting that jump after an U-Throw.
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however its very easy to dodge that, or to fair before they do. unless the person is really bad, they will just take the 5% or w/e from the uthrow and then be back in position.
ICEDTEA1325
Smash Apprentice
if you do an awesome combo on them be careful that you do not fall into the same trap. because i know when i do marth dittos whenever i get comboed i take that as a lesson and try to perfect it to do more dmg. same with mind games. everything you use so can they. key is to out smart them.
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
Approach with dash attacks, if you miss the dash attack CC, if it links utilt and tippered fair or uair ( they can hit you back with fair below 40%)
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
I don't see how this happens. As long as you line it up right, your fair or upair will always win. You have to hit with the top part of the fair for it to be effective. Basically in the 1 to 2 o'clock range is perfect. On FD as long as you shffl it correctly and stay under them they are in a really difficult position to do anything. If they airdodge your shffl should be fast enough that you can regrab them before their lag ends. You can pretty much time to hit anything else.
Dair could possibly beat this, but I doubt fair can. As long as you sh chase as opposed to fj chase. The only thing really difficult about this is having the proper spacing, and being patient enough to wait and stay under them without getting out of position.
Dthrow and Fthrow will always usually be the choice for Marth throws. But I think upthrow has its uses besides CGs and platform tech chasing. Mainly low % wasting double jump gimping.
uhhhh...yes but i mean theres not really enough stun between the second fthrow and a fair...so if you can catch them off gaurd go for it
a better option is fthrow fthrow uthrow utilt...then get creative
a better option is fthrow fthrow uthrow utilt...then get creative