Mario's u smash and d smash suck

[Matt07]

Yea thanks again, sorry for asking about it twice.

I think it's time for me to stop playing WiFi, and start playing offline. Since WiFi isn't really helping me improve, and it's much much easier to predict opponents offline then online.

 

[Matador]

Yea thanks again, sorry for asking about it twice.

No problem, that's what these boards are for.

I think it's time for me to stop playing WiFi, and start playing offline. Since WiFi isn't really helping me improve, and it's much much easier to predict opponents offline then online.

Meh, if you've got a choice, then don't touch Wifi, there's no point. If you need to practice though, and only scrubs live near you, then Wifi's the better alternative. But you're right, both will help you in predicting your opponent. Watching for rolls, tech chasing, predicting spotdodges and shields (grab in that case), and if they're in the sky, predict where they'll land. If you predict your opponent well enough, killing gets MUCH easier because they'll practically run into your Fsmash/Usmash.

 

[HeroMystic]

WiFi is generally used to get a decent knowledge of your match-ups. Beyond that, offline is generally the better alternative for in-depth scenarios. However, if all you got is Wi-Fi then stick to that. It's better to practice against good players online than to practice against horrible players offline.

 

[Matt07]

Yea it is all I have, thanks yet again you guys help me a lot.

I promise you guys once I go to college next year, I'm gonna rep Mario and do good in tournaments .

 

[Mario is the greatest brawler]

Yea it is all I have, thanks yet again you guys help me a lot.

I promise you guys once I go to college next year, I'm gonna rep Mario and do good in tournaments .

hopefully. r u comin 2 LBT?

 

[pyrotek7x7]

In case you haven't realized yet, Mario's only kill moves are cape and FLUDD.

The same (minus the FLUDD) was true for Melee, too.

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

In case you haven't realized yet, Mario's only kill moves are cape and FLUDD.

The same (minus the FLUDD) was true for Melee, too.

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Kill moves are defined as moves...that kill...Mario's only kill move is Fsmash. Cape and Fludd are Gimping tools

 

[Matt07]

hopefully. r u comin 2 LBT?

Omg, I want to go so bad...I should try to convince my parents to let me go. Us two repping Mario in Canada, owning high tiers.

 

[pyrotek7x7]

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Kill moves are defined as moves...that kill...Mario's only kill move is Fsmash. Cape and Fludd are Gimping tools

Really? I wasn't really aware of that definition. If the gimp kills, though, why shouldn't it be a kill move?

And yes, a sweet-spot Fsmash is your best bet. This is the move that should be saved for a fresh hit somewhere over 100%.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Are you joking? You can kill with a staled fsmash at 100%

 

[Matt07]

Hmm depends where, I've seen some amazing DI and people survive 120% from an Fsmash, others get K.O'd at 80%. But it depends when you use it, and what character your fighting

 

[Mario is the greatest brawler]

Are you joking? You can kill with a staled fsmash at 100%

do u no the secret 2 f smash?

 

[Judge Judy]

do u no the secret 2 f smash?

Tilt up and keep it fresh? Seriously though, it kills really early if your opponent is near a ledge. Anyway, Fsmash normally kills around 90%-100% if you keep it fresh.

 

[Mario is the greatest brawler]

Tilt up and keep it fresh? Seriously though, it kills really early if your opponent is near a ledge. Anyway, Fsmash normally kills around 90%-100% if you keep it fresh.

yes but i meant stutter-stepped, angled up f smash. and f smash doesnt need 2 b fresh 2 kill its still really powerful

 

[Matt07]

^True, fsmash is very good. I just keep forgetting to aim it upwards everytime I use it to K.O,.

 

[Judge Judy]

yes but i meant stutter-stepped, angled up f smash. and f smash doesnt need 2 b fresh 2 kill its still really powerful

Yah, but it's still nice to have it fresh to kill earlier though.

 

[Matt07]

Just wondering, don't know if this has been said before, but does Fsmash have a sweet spot like in Melee? Or is it just that unnoticeable now?

 

[MBlaze]

I can understand U smash but not D, I use it as a killer all the time along side B air and F Smash, sometimes B throw.

 

[Matt07]

Well dsmash is pretty good at K.O'ing about 140% on heavy characters. If you hit them with the first 'swipe' of the legs. Generally a lot of Mario's use dsmash for punishing, then use usmash or fsmash. But others like to keep all there smashes fresh for K.O's.

 

[Judge Judy]

Just wondering, don't know if this has been said before, but does Fsmash have a sweet spot like in Melee? Or is it just that unnoticeable now?

It does but the "sourspot" is now powerful and can KO reliably, the sweetspot is still more powerful though.

 

[MBlaze]

Well dsmash is pretty good at K.O'ing about 140% on heavy characters. If you hit them with the first 'swipe' of the legs. Generally a lot of Mario's use dsmash for punishing, then use usmash or fsmash. But others like to keep all there smashes fresh for K.O's.

I do it at 100%. ._.

 

[Matt07]

Haha, again it depends on where you it, and who your opponent is. Like use it halfway on FD, and Snake will live till about 150% ish fresh. Or my opponents just have really amazing DI.

 

[Mario is the greatest brawler]

i was wonderin, what happens if u use a smash atk when its fresh but dont land is it still fresh? bcus mine got weaker

 

[Matt07]

I'm pretty sure that hitting someone with a smash will 'stale' it.
Smash will stale if it hits the opponent (like they get hit by it take damage.)
Smash will not stale if it hits the opponent shield.
Smash will not stale if the opponent spot dodges, or rolls.

Hope that explains.

 

[bobson]

I use dsmash more than I use any other attack on the ground. It's a great punisher for any kind of whiffed attack or an annoying roller.

 

[fromundaman]

Why do people keep saying Dsmash and Usmash suck?
IMO, the Usmash, while nowhere near as useful as the Utilt, is still a great move. It comes out fast and does okay damage with the possibility of getting a KO.
I like using the Dsmash as well for damage and getting them off the stage, not to mention punishing rolls. It's a quick attack that hits on both sides. Sure, it's average for a Dsmash, but it's solid (something you come to appreciate after playing Ganon...),and hey, that combination of traits is just what makes it fit into Mario's moveset.

The way I see it, Mario shouldn't rush for KOs. He combos them, knocks them off, and keeps them off, launching a Fsmash when the opportunity presents itself. I dunno, that's how I play him anyway, and it seems to work fairly well.

Also, I disagree to whoever said Mario is at a disadvantage vs ROB. Hell, I switch to Mario vs ROB and make life a living hell with the cape.

 

[Mario_ 101]

lol why is this thread still alive? XD

 

[Matador]

Cuz you bumped it pal

 

[HeroMystic]

lol, I was waiting for someone to say that.