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KingK.Rool

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C'mon, guys, almost there! Just a few more posts...

Jafar's actually just missing his 'Shopped alt. costumes and Kirby Hat. /ontopic

Oh yes, and that attack looks very neat. Yay for the first GOOD Ridley moveset!
 

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*Is being nice and helping out since K.Rool helped me get a new page for Black Doom*

So, move sets. We make 'em. Then other people comment on 'em. And then a sandbag gets to tear it to shreds, because either MasterDebator reads one with too little detail, or MasterChiefMendez reads one with too much. Such fun!
 

KingK.Rool

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*Is being nice and helping out since K.Rool helped me get a new page for Black Doom*

So, move sets. We make 'em. Then other people comment on 'em. And then a sandbag gets to tear it to shreds, because either MasterDebator reads one with too little detail, or MasterChiefMendez reads one with too much. Such fun!
Why thank you, H_R!

And that's really true, isn't it? It always ends up that way! Curse those Sandbags! We should execute them all! Oh, wait...

By the way, is Hyper Ridley going to be completely interchangeable with regular Ridley, or is there actually some difference between the two?

#12 on this page...
 

KingK.Rool

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Disregard this post completely and go to the next page NOW.

EDIT: Oops. Dang thirty second between posts rule. Foiled my attempt to double post. Well, it's still the second post on the next page, so oh well.
 

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This story begins on a dark night... where a dark man waits... with a dark purpose.



ψ JAFAR ψ

"Now where were we? Ah, yes - abject humiliation!"

***

~~~ A DARK MAN...

Jafar - a classic Disney villain if ever there was one. In "Aladdin (1992)", he is the grand vizier of the city of Agrabah. However, his lust for power, combined with his keen intellect, drive him to try to become more, through use of a certain lamp. And more he does become, using a wish to become a great sorcerer, and... even more sinister things.


~~~ A DARK BEARING...

Idle Stance
Jafar scowls constantly, and picks at his moustache occasionally, chuckling to himself.

Walk
A confident stride forward, his cape sweeping the ground behind him.

Run
No speedster, Jafar doesn't gladly hurry. His run is not a run per se; rather, he walks smoothly forth, leaning over slightly in his haste.

Crouch
Jafar simply bends his knees slightly, as though he were going into a sarcastic bow.

Dizzy
Looking disoriented, Jafar grips his temple and frowns insistently.

Sleep
His eyes closed, Jafar crosses his arms and takes a brief rest. A fairly dignified sleep.


~~~ A DARK FORM...




RANGE ~ 9
HEIGHT ~ 8
TRACTION ~ 7
WEIGHT ~ 6
ATTACK SPEED ~ 6
FALL SPEED ~ 6
POWER ~ 5
JUMP ~ 4
RUN ~ 2


Jafar takes up a lot of space, mostly due to his cape. He's slightly heavier than the average character, and so suffers from the heavyweight's afflictions: slowness and weak jumps. However, he doesn't have the typical heavyweight's huge power and slow attacks. Rather, he's largely based around chaining relatively quick attacks with good range together.

He also, of course, has a large number of attacks that envenom the foe. These deal cumulative damage exactly as Lip's Stick does, but, unlike it, can't be cancelled by tapping. Poison damage doesn't stack; if you use multiple poison attacks, one of their damages has to finish before the other one begins. This means that Jafar must land his hits, then stand back and let them deal their full damage before trying to finish.


***

~~~ A DARK MAGIC...

Special ~ Into Red Smoke
Jafar removes a small red vial from his billowing robes, and tosses it violently onto the ground beneath him. Copious amounts of red steam emerge, completely obscuring an area about as big as half of a Smart Bomb's max radius. This cloud remains in place for fifteen seconds or so, making it an excellent place for Jafar to hide in and attack from, or plant his traps in secret. You can just barely make out Jafar's silhouette through the smoke (and only his), but not exactly what he's up to.

Forward ~ Path of Embers
Raising a hand and uttering a syllable, Jafar causes a line of fire to materialize before him and move forward speedily, lighting an area the size of a battlefield platform on fire. These flames dance around for about ten seconds before fading. Foes that stand in them or come into contact with them take continuous damage at the rate of a Lip's Stick. This can only be used every thirty seconds; his staff shines to show that he's ready. Use to rack up damage in a quasi-projectile.

Up ~ Sandway
Jafar extends his arms, palms upwards. Briefly, for about four seconds, he can walk as though he were on solid ground. Sand materializes beneath his heel as he walks, forming a staircase that crumbles behind him. His walk is slow, but he can nonetheless move this way for long enough to get considerable distance. The staircase slowly moves up vertically, but recovery is primarily horizontal. He regains his jumps from this, and can leap forth and attack, which cancels out how short the actual path of sand is; he gains about as much distance as a diagonal Battlefield platform.

If used on the ground, this does much the same thing, allowing him to ascend a staircase and therefore jump from a higher vantage point for an attack.

Down ~ Ophidian Familiar
Jafar holds one palm slightly out, as though he were offering food to a dog. A serpent the length of a beam sword slithers out from his sleeve and begins following at his heel. Takes a second to come out. The snake will bite at any foe within range of it, be they in front of behind Jafar. Its bite deals 5% poison damage with no knockback at all. However, about 10% of the time, it will trip them instead.

The snake is fairly quick, but it CAN miss. It can also be KO'd, although it has the endurance of three Pikmin, and Jafar is standing right on top of it to defend it; when he jumps, it remains in his shadow, waiting loyally. He can have up to two serpents at once, but can only use the attack every fifteen seconds.

Tapping Down B when you already have two snakes causes one to begins chasing a foe. It has basic AI and can slither up walls. It's also persistent, not halting until the foe is KO'd (whereupon it returns to master) or it itself is defeated.




~~~ A DARK OFFENSIVE...

A ~ Mystic Cudgel
Jafar brings his staff up, extending it before him. The strike here comes out fairly slowly and is easy to see coming. It deals 2% with almost no knockback. This is useless on its own.

AA ~ Spitting Sparks
Numerous red sparks emit from the cobra's head on the end of his staff. This part lasts about one second, during which about five hits occur, each dealing 1%. No knockback, obviously. The sparks are small and have low range.

AAA ~ Slither Cudgel
His staff, fully extended, suddenly comes to life, and strikes forward with sharp fangs. Range is the same as his fully extended staff; the snake doesn't actually stretch. This takes a bit to come out after AA. It deals 3% and has decent knockback, with 2% poison damage. So, if you hit with the whole combo, you've dealt 12%. Best used when hiding in a cloud of smoke, to poke out at foes.

Dash ~ Snap Tectonics
From his fast walk, Jafar taps his staff against the ground three times, not stopping and waiting a bit between strikes. About half a second after each tap, a geyser erupts from the spot, shooting for two seconds, dealing 3% with okay upwards knockback. These geysers have good vertical height (about as high up as Ganondorf), and come out at variable angles. This attack comes out suddenly, and keeps Jafar moving during its duration. After the final tap, his part of the attack is over, leaving him free to knock foes into the geysers.


~~~ DARK TILTS...

Forward ~ Tinder Breath
Jafar puts a hand before his face and blows a thin stream of fire directly forward. This has good range - about the length of a beam sword - but, being directly before his face, totally misses shorter characters. It deals about four hits of 2%, and undulates a bit as it stays out for about a second. Disjointed hitbox, but best used to get foes approaching aerially or to poke out at tall foes.

Up ~ Crimson Winds
Jafar extends his two hands up together. A swirling vortex of wind forms right on top of them as he cackles. If a foe is caught by its disjointed hitbox, you can either do nothing or tilt the control stick left or right. If you do nothing, they're swirled around for half a second and then launched up. If you tilt, he moves the vortex - foe still spinning in it - to the side and launches them out that way. Either way, set small knockback and 5%. Versatility is key; you can potentially use this near the edge of the stage to toss them off.

Down ~ Turf Thorn
Jafar extends his staff's bottom and taps it sharply before him. Half a second later, a large spike of earth shoots out of the stage, becoming almost as tall as Jafar. Foes that are hit by it as it comes out take 7% and variable good knockback. It stays out for two seconds as an obstacle. Disjointed hitbox, of course.

However, if you have a snake at your heel, it'll slip underground while you tap and pop out like a jack-in-the-box in place of the spike. Here, it's a bit quicker and dishes out nice knockback with 8% poison damage. After, it slithers back to your side.


~~~ DARK SMASHES...

Forward ~ Fireball Fusion
While you charge this move, Jafar exhales fire directly before him, molding it into a fireball with his bare hands as he does so. When you release, it flies forward like a comet, fading out sooner if it's less charged (smaller), and vanishes when it hits a foe. At minimum charge, it comes out in half a second and is pretty tiny, only going as far as a Sheik chain and dealing 13% with small knockback.

At maximum charge, which can be up to five seconds, it goes halfway across FD and deals 20% with very decent knockback. It's the size of a Samus Charge Shot, here. If you have the time/opening to charge it that much, this'll be one of your primary kill moves.

Up ~ Deathly Gaze
Jafar turns his head up, and his eyes glow white suddenly. Any foe directly above him - on a narrow line, but infinitely high up - will go into freefall with 12%, able only to use their Up B. This doesn't affect foes already in freefall. It comes out quite quickly with little lag, but has a bit of wind-down, making it hard to charge up a big punishment. This is best used to chain into a Crimson Winds.

Down ~ Serpent Emergence
Jafar faces the screen and points down and to either side. This does absolutely nothing unless you have Ophidian Familiars. If they're right next to you, they just shoot out to either side in a way reminiscent of Olimar, dealing pretty good knockback and 5%, 10% poison damage.

If they're running free, using this will cause them to suddenly accelerate, moving very quickly for a brief moment. If they catch up to a foe in this time, that foe will take a special bite that deals 2%, with a full 18% poison damage. This should be timed to work while they're on the ground, so the snakes can actually reach them. However, Jafar is quite vulnerable during this time.



~~~ DARK AERIALS...

Neutral ~ Pyrophysics
Jafar snaps his fingers and, half a second later, bursts into flame. He remains this way for five seconds, during which time any foe to contact him takes 5% and bounces off; however, this doesn't prevent Jafar from still taking damage and knockback from attacks. This can be used only once every thirty seconds. Most like, you're going to want to grab the foe while you're on fire, where they're forced to take the extra damage AND get thrown.

Forward ~ Mesmerize
Jafar extends his staff, holding it up high, and then fires a rainbow-coloured wave down from it. Trajectory of the wave is downwards and on a slight angle. This'll do 4% and have the unique effect of reversing the foe's controls for five seconds. It has no knockback and a pretty good hitbox, but takes almost a second to come out.

Back ~ State of Suspension
Jafar puts one hand behind his back and mutters something. If a foe is within range - about half a battlefield platform away, and no farther or closer - they'll be suspended there, helpless. For the next three seconds, they'll follow Jafar at that same constant distance away. They take 3% every second here. Now, since they're constantly that same distance away, you can't really hit them. However, this is handy in team battles, and can also be used to jump back, almost off the screen, to kill them in a most creative but risky way.

Up ~ Fork Tongue
Jafar tilts his head up and opens his mouth. A full-grown cobra emerges halfway out of it, then bites down viciously before going back. This is a small hitbox, since the cobra has a small head. For that, though, for the half a second while it's coming out, you can tilt the control stick to make it bend one way or the other, making it more accurate. It gives decent upwards knockback and deals 4%, with 9% poison damage.

Down ~ Quicksand Spell
Jafar stalls in the air, twisting to point the head of his staff straight down. He then fires a small ball of light straight down. If it hits a foe, he's knocked a ways straight up and then sent into a freefall, with no damage. However, if hits solid ground, it'll make a spot almost as big as a stage builder block where there is QUICKSAND! This stays there for up to a minute. If a foe walks over it, they'll be stuck, unable to move, for a full three seconds, plenty of time to swoop in and punish. You can only have one pit at a time.


~~~ DARK THROWS...

Grab ~ Snake Sleeve
Raising one arm, Jafar lets a serpent shoot out of his sleeve, biting at foes and pulling them in with range similar to Lucas's. It's a bit quicker to come out, though. Jafar has a good throw game. Pressing A causes the snake to bite for 2% poison damage.


Forward ~ Fanged Villain
Jafar's head and headdress change, briefly, into a cobra's head. Hissing and flicking out his tongue, Jafar leans back slightly, then strikes forth, with decent knockback for a throw. Deals 3% with 7% poison damage.

Back ~ Environmental Shift
Jafar deposes them behind him. What happens then varies. If you have Ophidians, they'll take this chance to strike for 4% poison damage each, and some small knockback. If you're in a Path of Embers, the foe will light on fire, and go flying straight up with 10% (KO potential). If a quicksand pit is right beneath you, they'll be trapped in it for five seconds instead of three. If Jafar is on fire from Pyrophysics, he'll simply bounce them off of him for the usual 5%, which, added with the original 5% from them being in contact with him and the throw itself, comes to 14%. If none of these are in effect, they'll simply end up right behind Jafar, on the ground, with 4%. Quick, turn and punish!

Up ~ Levitate
Jafar lifts the foe slightly into the air by use of magic. You have, for three seconds, complete control over which way they float. You can't move them very quickly, but you can still use that time to either space or put them in a difficult position somewhere off the ledge. This throw deals no damage, but its versatility more than makes up for that.

Down ~ Venom Spout
Jafar drops the foe onto the ground, then points his staff down and releases a torrent of poison bubbles onto them. The final hit gives some small knockback to space. This does no initial damage, but 14% poison damage over time. If a foe who wasn't grabbed is in range while this happens, they'll be envenomed also, and take all the same damage.


~~~ A DARK SECRET...

Final Smash ~ His Three Wishes
This is a three-part Final Smash.

1) Jafar calls out, "I wish to be Sultan!" He gains the sultan's robe:



He then cries out "Guards!" and points forward, causing a lone guard to appear on the screen, chasing foes like Samurai Goroh, but quicker, and with stronger slashes dealing 15% and okay knockback. Every further time you tap B, another shout happens and another Guard charges onscreen. However, every time you do so, there's a slowly increasing chance that the Final Smash simply ends, and you don't get your next two wishes. Be careful with this one; don't go overboard. Jafar is invulnerable, and this part lasts fifteen seconds.

2) "If you will not bow before a Sultan, you will cower before a Sorcerer! Genie, I wish to be the most powerful sorcerer in the world!" A lightning bolts comes down and strikes Jafar. he then uses a charm on himself, rapidly transforming into a huge serpent.



He fills up a large portion of the screen in this state, even though most of his coils are in the background. Pressing B causes a sudden strike along the ground before him, dealing 10% with 10% poison damage and decent knockback. However, your mobility is somewhat limited here, and, again, every strike you make makes it more likely that you'll not get your third wish. Better try to KO them by blocking them with your giant body; they can't go through it. This part lasts only fifteen seconds.

3) "Slave, I make my third wish. I wish to be an ALL-POWERFUL GENIE!" He suddenly swells from his snake form, becoming more the shape and size of Giga Bowser:



Jafar the Genie is mobile, but always connected to a tiny black lamp that materializes under the spot where he originally transformed. He can tap A for a giant, sweeping punch with excellent KO potential (though it deals only 7%), or B for a mighty blast of fire that radiates from his core, dealing 10% with good knockback. However, his lamp is a item like any other, and can in fact be tossed off the edge, KO'ing him. You must protect it at all costs. This form is potent but risky, and lasts a mere ten seconds. The other two racked up damage; use this one to finish it.


***

~~~ A DARK STYLE...

So, you've read the moveset, and now you're wondering how this strange character functions, yes? Unlike just about anyone else in the game. Jafar is slow in so many ways - he feels quite bulky to play - and yet his biggest problem is pulling off KOs. What, you ask, does he actually have going for him?

Jafar is completely about controlling the stage. Just as he can control the mind, so must he control the elements. In an ideal game, Jafar can keep his foes juuust out of reach with a series of relatively quick, well-ranged attacks, easily turning aside approaches and leading the foe into a series of damage-racking traps, eventually finishing them off with a single big hit.

Your Ophidians are the first tool you'll need to control the stage. At first, you can keep them at your heels, but once the foe is a bit more damaged and needs to be more cautious not to be hit, you can freely send them hunting. With these snakes approaching continuously, they have to keep moving - all the better to be herded into other traps or into Jafar's waiting arms.

The traps themselves: Path of Embers is great for molding the stage to your will. If the foe ignores it, they're bound to find damage being racked up at a frightening pace. You can freely hide in your fires and wait, leaving your snakes free to hunt and deal damage, all the while launching fireball from your Forward Smash.

Into Red Smoke is a trap in its own right. This should be used as often as possible; it limits the amount of stage that they can safely venture into, and gives Jafar an element of secrecy. When hiding is your best chance to summon Familiars, send them out with Down Smash, or even to create an unexpected Path of Embers. You can also somewhat safely create fireballs to launch and pester foes from afar. If they try to approach, it's oh, so easy to shield and throw out.

Of course, Quicksand Spell is another vital one. This one serves a slightly different and less specialized purpose; immobilizing the foe is always a good idea, although it's also most likely to lead into a killing blow. Keep the foe forgetful of where you planted the pit - for instance, plant it while hiding in Smoke - and they'll eventually slip up.

When it comes to close combat, Jafar is better at repelling foes than at starting his own advances. Both Up Smash and Forward Air can stop an approach dead in its track, leaving you free to hit with a spacing technique and continue playing a cautious game. Dash Attack is another fantastic way to shoot away aerially approaching foes, as is Crimson Winds. All these moves come together to ensure that Jafar is hard to reach. State of Suspension is an obvious one; if they're approaching from behind, time it right, and by the time they're released, they'll have forgotten all about their strategem.

Now, when the battle comes a bit too close for comfort, Jafar starts having trouble. None of his attacks can be pulled off quick enough to save him from a combo. Pyrophysics is probably your best bet for getting some much-needed breathing space.

Talking about poison attacks, we see another reason why Jafar wants to bide his time and keep a good distance between him and his foes. If he presses his offense, the damage will simply take too long to add up, during which time you need to be somewhere safe - preferably in a smoke cloud or standing in your own flames.

An experienced Jafar player can do everything that has been mentioned up until now, and pull it off with grace and style. However, he is not without flaws. He's just so slow, and doesn't have the greatest recovery; he's easy to gimp. His size and fall speed also make him prime targets for combo, which, as aforementioned, he can't escape without some sort of intervention. Keep the fight at a good distance and keep your feet stolidly on the ground, and you'll do fine.

However, this means that Jafar is anything but a beginner's character. Aside from the myriad interactions mentioned up until now - all of which must be remembered and combined expertly - Jafar also has a tricky and complex set of tilts, which must be integrated flawlessly into his moveset to get any sort of result. When to summon, when to create, when to attack, when to defend, when to repel, and when to send your snakes on the hunt - decisions, decisions.

Jafar is a character who must master the art of controlling the stage. He has to blend good repelling techniques with long-distance offense, and he doesn't even have a good projectile to do so. Making a name for yourself with this character is an uphill battle, but, when properly wielded, you'll appear to be almost psychic in how you force the hapless foe to play right into your hands, his fate unfolding just as you want it to.


***

~~~ A DARK PERSONALITY...

Up Taunt
Jafar takes on a very ugly expression, growling, "How many times do I have to kill you???"

Forward Taunt
Jafar takes a diamond ring - shown in the top picture - out of his pocket and eyes it greedily. He then stows it away once more.

Down Taunt
Jafar checks his pocket for something that he urgently needs. It's not there, however. "The lamp!" he hisses furiously, dismayed at having lost it.

Victory Pose 1
Jafar puts together the two halves of the legendary scarab that will lead him to the Lamp. They come together perfectly and the scarab flies off into the foreground, Jafar chuckling devilishly where he stands.

Victory Pose 2
Jafar rubs the Lamp, which he's finally found after all his efforts. Genie comes out and looks around, confused, only for Jafar to grab his goatee and toss him to the ground, naming him "Slave!"

Victory Pose 3
Jafar does a little dance, saying "Don't toy with me, fools!", then turns and casts a spell at the three losers. They each turn into a toy version of themselves, and fall down, useless.

Losing Pose
Jafar does a slow, sarcastic clap, one eyebrow raised.


~~~ A DARK LOOK...




~~~ A DARK REPUTATION...

COLONEL/ Don't toy with this one, Snake. Jafar has vast reserves of magic at his beck and call.
SNAKE/ He doesn't look like much.
COLONEL/ Don't be fooled by his appearance. He'll do anything to get what he wants, and he's certainly no fool.
SNAKE/ Now he's setting traps all over the place... who does he think he is?
COLONEL/ He has even more traps than you, Snake. He'll try to puppeteer you into slipping up.
SNAKE/ I'll show him that a good mine can beat a lightshow and a few worms any day.
COLONEL/ I hope you can, Snake. I hope you can.


~~~ A DARK TALE...

Symbol
The magic lamp of the Aladdin series is Jafar's personal emblem.



Entrance
Jafar appears on the stage from a puff of red smoke that seems to come from nowhere.

Wiimote
An evil, crazed laugh issues from the wiimote.

Kirby Hat
Kirby gains his headress and the ability to summon one snake at a time, once every thirty seconds. Pressing B when he has one will send it out hunting. However, his snakes are more fragile than Jafar's, and can be KO'd quite easily. Picture to come.

Music
Jafar's main theme is a darker, more ominous and lyric-less remix of the main Aladdin theme, Arabian Nights.

***


...This isn't over yet, boy...
 

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Why thank you, H_R!

And that's really true, isn't it? It always ends up that way! Curse those Sandbags! We should execute them all! Oh, wait...

By the way, is Hyper Ridley going to be completely interchangeable with regular Ridley, or is there actually some difference between the two?

#12 on this page...
Hyper_Ridley (yes, the underscore is part of his name, like in my username) is a robot, for starters. If you've played Metroid Fusion, you know how Samus's computer was a commander's brain made into a digital form? Same idea here, only Ridley was too valuable of a fighter for the Space Pirates to leave as a purple button in navigation rooms.

As far as attacks go, he's still got his tail and firebreath, but since he's now a literal tank, he has some machine guns, a freeze-thrower, and that electrical thing I mentioned in his special mechanic. So he's got many attacks that regular Ridley could only dream of doing.



And now that Jafar's been posted while I'm typing this, I'm off to read him now!
 

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40-second-long FS = blargh.

Silly watermark on the lamp picture = double blargh.

...Otherwise good stuff. I'm not a big Aladdin fan, so I'm not fangasming here or anything...but even still. 'Twas awesome.

EDIT - Oh, and also I have the same problem with Into Red Smoke that I did with pensfan's Drizzt's orb of darkness. It's got an unwieldy name It'd probably end up hurting Jafar as often as it helped him. There's gotta be some way to see him through it, so you don't fall down the center pit on Yoshi's Island (Melee) or something. Just a vague section of the cloud that's darker or something would work fine.
 

SonicBoom2

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Here are the other specials:

Side Special:
Genesis’ Hope (10%-20%)

Downwards Special
Angeal’s Redemption: (15%)

Upwards Special
Sephiroth’s Wrath: (25%)


What they do? Idk yet :p
 

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So I finished looking over Jafar (that didn't take long :laugh:)

He's pretty good. Not "OMG this is obviously your best set EVAR!", but still ONE of your best, at the least. The descriptions were simple but effective, and it also helped that you had an excellent play style section to give some more time to stating how his moves are supposed to be used. Some moves felt kinda-generic, but overall there weren't any *yawn* moves.

So, since Aladin has a spot in my SSE, mind letting me borrow Jafar?
 

KingK.Rool

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40-second-long FS = blargh.

Silly watermark on the lamp picture = double blargh.

...Otherwise good stuff. I'm not a big Aladdin fan, so I'm not fangasming here or anything...but even still. 'Twas awesome.

EDIT - Oh, and also I have the same problem with Into Red Smoke that I did with pensfan's Drizzt's orb of darkness. It's got an unwieldy name It'd probably end up hurting Jafar as often as it helped him. There's gotta be some way to see him through it, so you don't fall down the center pit on Yoshi's Island (Melee) or something. Just a vague section of the cloud that's darker or something would work fine.
Glad you enjoyed it. Although the FS isn't necessarily going to last that long, since there's a chance that it gets cancelled from overuse of the attacks. :p

But the difference between the two is that Jafar's stays in place and doesn't actually follow him around. And you don't really need it for much beyond the setting of traps and the tossing of projectiles, neither of which you need to see him for. Still, I'll think more on this matter.

So I finished looking over Jafar (that didn't take long :laugh:)

He's pretty good. Not "OMG this is obviously your best set EVAR!", but still ONE of your best, at the least. The descriptions were simple but effective, and it also helped that you had an excellent play style section to give some more time to stating how his moves are supposed to be used. Some moves felt kinda-generic, but overall there weren't any *yawn* moves.

So, since Aladin has a spot in my SSE, mind letting me borrow Jafar?
Making it easier and simpler to read was one of my primary objectives with this.

One of my best is good enough, I s'pose. Which moves are generic, though? I do hope you're not referring to my precious aerials.

And yeah, go right ahead. The usage of him with Aladdin in SSE's is the primary reason I went ahead and made him. :bee:
 

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@Jafar: Nice. The perfect opponent for Aladdin. There was pure evil in that set. I felt a dark vibe. Was pretty creepy.


Edit: False alarm. It was my cell phone vibrating.
 

BKupa666

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Excellent Jafar moveset.

It inspired me to maybe make this guy



Iago and Zazu will be up fairly soon, and Ken will be up after the Survivor Finale, a week from Sunday. I have two final smashes for him, I just have to see whether he wins or not before I decide which one.

Speaking of SSEs, I don't see Aladdin/Genie or Jafar in your SSE, Warlord. Now that Iago & Zazu are appearing, you should throw in those two as well.
 

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If anything, I'd say the FSmash was generic, just being a big fire ball. Though being a projectile smash that can actually KO makes it more interesting. Maybe 'generic' wasn't the correct term, more like "It was cool, but not spetactular". The aerials were actually some of my favorite moves in the set. :)
 

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Excellent Jafar moveset.

It inspired me to maybe make this guy



Iago and Zazu will be up fairly soon, and Ken will be up after the Survivor Finale, a week from Sunday. I have two final smashes for him, I just have to see whether he wins or not before I decide which one.

Speaking of SSEs, I don't see Aladdin/Genie or Jafar in your SSE, Warlord. Now that Iago & Zazu are appearing, you should throw in those two as well.
OMG. DO IT. There is win with Hades. Trust me.
 

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Hey, can anyone think of a way to incorporate this into my Penguin moveset? I'm clueless.
For his final smash, he can accuse a random opponent of being a criminal and then policement appear and attack that player for the duration of the final smash.


I can think of a move for just about anything you guys throw at me. C'mon, take your best shots!
 

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Glad you enjoyed it. Although the FS isn't necessarily going to last that long, since there's a chance that it gets cancelled from overuse of the attacks. :p
You mean the first part, right?

...What idiot would risk losing the other two parts for some random soldiers? After you call one, or maybe 2, then just wait out the remaining 6 or 7 seconds. Maybe it'd help if you told me exactly how at-risk Jafar is of losing the FS by summoning soldiers.

But the difference between the two is that Jafar's stays in place and doesn't actually follow him around. And you don't really need it for much beyond the setting of traps and the tossing of projectiles, neither of which you need to see him for. Still, I'll think more on this matter.​
Even still, if you can't see where you are, how are you accurately going to judge when to throw a projectile, or where to set a trap?

I'm not saying the silhouette would show you what Jafar's doing--just where he is in general. If you used that move in the middle of Battlefield, you'd be obscuring the majority of the stage, which leaves a lot of room for error.

Making it easier and simpler to read was one of my primary objectives with this.
This too. It really was nice to read a competent moveset that didn't take forever detailing every single facet of every single move. My plan is working perfectly...

Hyper_Ridley said:
I can think of a move for just about anything you guys throw at me. C'mon, take your best shots!
I'd like you to turn this into either a neutral B or a basic A move.

Preferrably the former. No I'm not joking.
Well...maybe.
Yes, I'm joking.
 

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For his final smash, he can accuse a random opponent of being a criminal and then policement appear and attack that player for the duration of the final smash.


I can think of a move for just about anything you guys throw at me. C'mon, take your best shots!
I was thinking more of this:



Mediation

The Penguin places guilt on his opponent, and anything that assists that character (Assist Trophy, Pokemon) attacks them. And also adds Team Attack between teammates, even when its off.
 

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@Mendez: He takes a potato chip... AND EATS IT which heals 6% and the crumbs cause birds to fly in for their dinner, and they peck people who get too close.


Hey, I never said it had to be an epic attack, just an attack. ;)
 

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You mean the first part, right?

...What idiot would risk losing the other two parts for some random soldiers? After you call one, or maybe 2, then just wait out the remaining 6 or 7 seconds. Maybe it'd help if you told me exactly how at-risk Jafar is of losing the FS by summoning soldiers.

Even still, if you can't see where you are, how are you accurately going to judge when to throw a projectile, or where to set a trap?

I'm not saying the silhouette would show you what Jafar's doing--just where he is in general. If you used that move in the middle of Battlefield, you'd be obscuring the majority of the stage, which leaves a lot of room for error.

This too. It really was nice to read a competent moveset that didn't take forever detailing every single facet of every single move. My plan is working perfectly...
Well, it technically also happens if you overuse the strike in the second part. And anyway, the third part's risky, so there! Still, maybe I'll shorten up a few of them.

And you make a pretty good argument. I suppose I could do that.

And I really enjoyed making a shorter one like this. Not to mention I finished it in less than a third of the time they usually take me.

Oh, and Hades would be win.
 

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Curse this new Mendez under-detailed movement! If this continues, I shall have to make another over-detailed moveset to silence your feeble attempts at taking down my detail movement! Death to the lack of detail! Death to the lack of extras! Heracy!

But seriously. . .You're tempting me to drop my SSE for a while to make another moveset. I'm wondering how hard it would be for me to write in this style. Perhaps I can make a move or two and you can help me trim the fat?

Haven't read Jafar yet, but the final smash is epic. I really like the last part of it with the lamp being able to be thrown off. I'd honestly think it'd be better if you made that the only part and gave the genie more attacks.
 

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There's even an attack with kittens
You have my firm attention. :bee:

Am reading...

Okay done. That was fast. So there are a few little canonical errors there. First off, his entry animation seems really forced. Why would his armor...reanimate? The armor is him, so that implies he was unconscious or something. Also Al can't use alchemy without a circle--that's Ed that can do that, with his arm.

Otherwise the big problem in there is that, despite your claim to the contrary, most of the attacks are really generic. I can't tell you the number of times I've read a moveset that had:

A,A,A: Two punches, then a third, powerful attack
Ftilt: strong punch forward
Utilt: strong punch upward
Dtilt: leg sweep


...That alone is enough for most people to just skip it. Al fights with a really conservative martial art, so why not capitalize on that? Judo throws, open-palm strikes and karate chops, with very little leg-work is what I should be seeing.

And finally that whole "chest plate opens and an explosion goes off" makes no sense at all. Did...did you even watch this show?

It's definitely a start, and at least you're commited to getting better...but is it too much to ask for some more imagination?
 

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Ctrl + F Kitten

Kitten Not Found
Kitty then :p.

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm learning a lot from it.

@ Alchemy without a circle - It's in the Manga, and he can towards the end of the Anime.

@ Chest plate explosion - it's in the games, I'll change it though.

@Generic moves - You've got me there. Back to the edit button!
 

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@ Alchemy without a circle - It's in the Manga, and he can towards the end of the Anime.
ARGH NEVER READ THE MANGA I'M SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON

@ Chest plate explosion - it's in the games, I'll change it though.
Didn't...didn't one of the PS2 games let you "equip" Al with various kittens?

Anyways.

If it was in the games then just forget me--I know not of which I speak. :embarrass
 

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ARGH NEVER READ THE MANGA I'M SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON

Didn't...didn't one of the PS2 games let you "equip" Al with various kittens?

Anyways.

If it was in the games then just forget me--I know not of which I speak. :embarrass
OK, I've tried again! :) I've taken the martial arts into consideration. I even read a little about Judo. Al now only has one kick move and one punch.

Entrance is now clearer and Alt costumes exist (they're not too great though).
 

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scourge is between 45-55% done. i sort of jump around as i think of things. i have his aerials half done, one smash, 3 specials, half of his basics, and all of his throws done.

also: im no longer doing a 3-in-1 set. enigma will be alone, with 3 of the others being ATs and more as trophies/stickers(yea im gonna do em)
 

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OK, I've tried again! :) I've taken the martial arts into consideration. I even read a little about Judo. Al now only has one kick move and one punch.

Entrance is now clearer and Alt costumes exist (they're not too great though).
ironically enough, im an orange belt in judo! i have i few ideas you could use:

one-handed taio: al grabs the opponents armwith his left hand while he uses his right to thrust his opponent down.

osodo: grabs the opponent's shoulders and steps with his left foot, then sweeps between the back of legs with his right heel.

hope these help! :p
 

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There will be a slight delay on Luso...I should have him done sunday night though...****ed college homework><

So what's up with you guys, I can't really keep up with all the posts so could anyone tell me if anything major happened yet or any truly astunding absolutely amazing movesets were revealed?
 

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Theme music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpUJDcVFpI


~~ PROFILE ~

Full name: Cidolfus Demen Bunansa
Age: 58 years old
Race: Human
Origin: Final Fantasy XII
Status: Sub-villian
Occupation: Chief at Draklor Laboratories

~Personality~

Dr. Cid is an eccentric character, branded as a mad man because he is often seen talking into thin air. His confidence and obsession over the power of nethicite, or the rather blind belief in his intentions, makes him come across a little naive at times. One thing's for sure; He is extremely goal-oriented, and shows respect for his younger superior and sponsor. Despite his age, he is very energic and new thinking. A quirky genious researcher.


~The Man of Science~

Cid in my opinion has a very interesting playstyle. His movements and attacks are heavyweight, however they involve a great amount of projectiling, which is rare in the Smash series. He holds a variety of technical attacks that can prove very useful in unpredictability and mind games. Though he has great offensive prowess, his defense is relatively weak. This makes him even more unique; the offense/defense balance is extremely off. It is due to him being an ordinary human, but holding the power of science, machinery, and magic within him. He can somewhat be compared to Zelda, but no where near as fast. From looking at his above body picture, his attire and body proportion is quite similar to that of Ganondorf.

His normal attacks make the use of two oddly-designed pistols, whether he is shooting or striking with them. They are decently strong, but the peak of his power comes from his Specials. He is also assisted by his Rooks, four supportive orbital machines. The Rooks do not attack, neither do they stay on the battlefield with Cid. They only appear when Cid is shielding, air dodging, or spot dodging, in a fashion where they are protecting him.



Statistics

Walk Speed: 3/10
Run Speed: 4/10
Power: 8/10
Weight: 4/10
Frame: 2/10
Combat Agility: 3/10
Combat Range: /10
Jumping: 2/10
Falling Speed: 7/10
Traction: 4/10
Wall Jump: No
Wall Cling: No
Crawl: No







Standard

A - pokes forward with his right pistol...[2%]
AA - ...then pokes with the fet one in the same fashion [3%]
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Tilts

Forward - lifts the pistols into the air crossing them, then comes down
with an "X" strike. Decent knockback, but very pre-laggy. [7%]

Up - lifts himself into the air using both the pistols and performs a rising
headbutt. So-so knockback, but a bit pre-laggy. [5%]

Down - does an "X" sweep at the feet, causing the enemy to trip. It can
also hit enemies at the back. No knockback. [4%]

Dash - slides from the run while poking his pistols out in front of him,
dragging any enemes in his path. It captures enemies as he is in the poking
animation. Decent knockback, but very post-laggy. [8%]
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Aerials

Neutral - stretches his arms out with pistols in hand with his knee slightly
pointed forward. The pistols can attack, but he focal point is the knee. Decent
knockback. [4%] [9%]

Up - spins his left pistol around on his finger for an upward combo attack.
The spin isn't quick, but it is so powerful that you can't capture an enemy for
a consecutive strike. Decent knockback, but pre-laggy. [5-5-5%]

Forward - Cid puts his pistols together over his head and bashes
downward like he is smashing with a sledgehammer. Super knockback, but
very pre and post laggy. The attack serves as a meteor smash if he hits midway
of the pistols. [12%]

Back - Cid pokes his pistols from the back like he is striking with his
elbows. It is pre laggy, but the knockback is decent. It is more a bash move
than a thrust one, since he is using some good force. [10%]

Down - Cid crosses his arms with pistols in hand and his legs, creating a
double helix out of his body upside down. He then drills for a rapid combo.
The very last hit of the attack causes the decent knockback, but it is hard
to pull off since it doesn't suck enemies in; it does quite the opposite. [2-2-2-5%]

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Smashes

Forward (Slowsilver)- points his left pistol out and shoots a close range bullet,
kneels down and shoots another with the right, then stands up turning around and
shoots with both. The duration of the attack is the 2 seconds. This is a capture combo;
if an enemy is shot by the first or second bullet, they will be locked in. The third shot
counts as the killer. Great knockback, though done slowly. [2-3-9%]

Up (Highwind)- Cid rests his left pistol onto his shoulder while it is point upwards
and shoots out four extremely rapid bullets. The distance is great for a smash; as it
is being shot up, it can reach up to "one Cid" of length. This move doesn't deliver a
death blow. It is more focused on building damage against enemies above Cid. Very
pre-laggy, but very damage-racking. [3-3-3-6%]

Down (Dance For Me)- tilts his right pistol at the enemies feet and shoots out
five rapid bullets. It is a capture combo. The knockback is sideways, and is pretty
good. It is slightly pre-laggy, but afterwards it is very quick, and executes quite
nicely. [1-2-1-3-5%]








~~~~ S-85 Cyclotrone ~~~

Cid takes out an energy cannon, tilting it upwards. He charges it up, and an electrical surge builds through the silo. Suddenly, a spherical energy blast is formed at the opening of the silo. This isn't exactly a projectile. The blasts stays in place while the cannon is still tilted up. This is more for enemies approaching Cid from the air, rather than on the ground. The pre-lag is 1.5 seconds, but the radius and hitbox is excellent.

When an enemy is caught in the blast, they will be shocked horribly until the blast ends. This isn't a killer move; it is mainly for racking damage and keeping your enemies at a distance in fright of being captured. The Cyclotrone's duration is 2.5 seconds, including the pre-lag. [10%]




~~ Venat's Intervention ~~

Cid inhabits the Occurian spirit, Venat. It is a shadow-like being that betrayed its entire race with the lust for power. Venat has the same motives as Cid, and protects him from mortal danger whenever it can. It speaks with a ghastly female voice, but it is apparently genderless.

When this technique is used, Cid and Venat's body will switch positions. In the beginning animation, Venat replaces Cid's body while Cid appears a few steps back from his original spot. This serves as a counter. If an enemy hits Venat instead of Cid, Venat will explode with darkness. Depending on the strength of the enemy's attack, Venat will retaliate with x1.5 of that strength. However, Venat cannot help Cid at anytime, and least of the time it will fail, resulting in a vulnerable Cid.

Even when executing it as a counter, Cid is at all times able to be hit as long as he is materialized on the battlefield, in other words, there are no invincibility frames in the duration of the counter. [Dark]



~~~ Guilted Gatling Gun ~~

Cid whips out his gatling gun and revs it up. When he is taking it out, it counts as an attack, blowing back enemies trying to foil his preparation. The knockback is decent, but not life-threatening. As you hold down the special button, Cid will continue shooting out rapid bullets. These bullets do not go very far, and Cid has to reload every two seconds in-between barrages. He can only shoot forward, and cannot travel, jump, or use in the air, however, he can turn the direction of the gatling: left and right.

He can keep the gatling out as long as he wants, but the reloading rule still applies. In the two seconds he is shooting, an enemy can receive up to 10% damage, though they do not receive any knockback. When Cid is turning around, the process is very slow, due to it being extremely massive and heavy. VERY pre-laggy and post-laggy. [7%] [1%]




~~~~~~ Air Pod ~~~~~~~

An air pod appears out of nowhere. When it appears, Cid is forced into the small cockpit of it. The pod then slowly rises up and forward, similar to Snake's Up Special. What makes this different from the average recovery is that fighters are able to ride at the top of the air pod while it is in flight. This can prove extremely useful in assisting falling allies in team battles. The air pod doesn't serve as an attack, but it can push enemies out of the way.

Cid can be attacked inside of it, but enemies have to target the middle of the pod where the cockpit is located. When Cid is attacked, it won't cancel the recovery, but it will slow down its traveling process, which can lead to a bungled recovery. The pod is as big as Bowser. After the recovery, the pod will explode, and Cid will be burnt out.







~~~ S-27 Tokamak ~~~

Cid whips out the upgraded version of the Cyclotrone, The Tokamak. This is a very fierce, multi-energy shooting photon cannon. Cid charges up the cannon shortly and multiple beams of piercing light burst out of it in a cylinder motion. If an enemy is trapped in the cylinder, they will be bounce around inside of it receiving rapid and devestating damage. [8%]

The line of fire is endless, going straight through the stage. This is more a capture Final Smash, because if an enemy isn't caught inside the prison, they could only be damaged from the outside, though it will just blast them upwards.



The duration is five seconds, and after the prison shoots all the way through, an eruption occurs at the base of the stage where thecannon was shot. This eruption won't occur if this technique isn't used on the ground. It serves as the finale of the attack, since the energy prison cannot kill. Cid laughs maniacally as he watches the eruption. Super knockback. [15%]





 

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Kitty then :p.

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm learning a lot from it.

@ Alchemy without a circle - It's in the Manga, and he can towards the end of the Anime.

@ Chest plate explosion - it's in the games, I'll change it though.

@Generic moves - You've got me there. Back to the edit button!
It still needs work, but it's already amazingly better than before.

Your attacks are now less generic (+), but they are still pretty non-descriptive (-). You are getting better though! My first set was pretty light on detail too.
I LOVE Transmutation. Way to work more alchemy into the moveset.
 

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Is it just me or is this thread moving extremely slow?

Zack will be done by this weekend or the next.
For some reason I'm booked through most of the day, and nobody told me anything -.-
 

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Cid looks wicked cool.
But... um... you're missing a Back Air.
Also, as awesome as his attacks are, it feels like most of them could be pretty easily avoided and/or punished. Am I wrong in that?
 
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